Jonathan Paul Manziel

Mudfly

@canton-mike said:

IMHO Johnny, Vick, & Rice share the following....their mere presence on a roster will DIVIDE a Fanbase, Front Office/Coaching Staff, & TEAM. That's why I feel strongly that we should dispense of Johnny ASAP.

It's called "addition by subtraction".

Mike

Good point Mike and one that Ive tried to make all along.......simply put....one only has to look at the massive division and rift created in the fan base to realize that the same thing is happening in the locker room/FO/coaching staff....

A year and a half ago I compared him to Marinovich and it has come true.....(sadly)....

In HS, his Dad and Coach worked to straighten him up......and failed....

In College, the coaching staff worked to straighten him up.....and failed....

In the Pro's, his staff AND our Coaches worked to straighten him up.....and failed.....

There is extensive tape of him promising....over and over and over again....that he would buckle down, clean up his act, stop embarrassing his team and fans....and he has failed to do that again and again....

He obviously does not care about the team....his team mates....his coaches.....the Cleveland Fans...or he would do the things that have been asked of him repeatedly......

Go read a Dallas or A&M forum today.....his home base fanatical fan base.....even they think he's a complete ass and nobody wants him....nobody.....

Edit:....except WSS and Poe G....

Westside Steve

@canton-mike said:

IMHO Johnny, Vick, & Rice share the following....their mere presence on a roster will DIVIDE a Fanbase, Front Office/Coaching Staff, & TEAM. That's why I feel strongly that we should dispense of Johnny ASAP.

It's called "addition by subtraction".

Mike

Mike, losing football games divides the fanbase.

Win one game and the fickle bastards take you down off the cross and put you on a throne.

How did Ray Lewis affect the Baltimore fans?

Edit and to mud tried to straighten him out in college and failed? Before or after he won the national championship?

WSS

Zombo

@westside-steve said:

Second the quote is 'some of you guys' would have been fine with Vick or Rice. If you werent one of them why take offense?

Because it presumes that we want to get rid of Johnny because we think he's a bad guy which makes us hypocrites.

You are trying to pull us into a moralistic argument instead of realizing we are just saying "Hey, this guy is no good to the Browns".

That's my opinion. He adds no value to the team going forward.

Also, & I quote, "repeating this cycle makes the Browns worse."
It most certainly does. But not the cycle you are talking about.

And if you think the kid loves football and his dad an agent could influence him then I guess Mike Pettine isn't a leader of men nor are you guessing Hue Jackson would be either.

I'm saying we don't need to deal with this shit now. He's not dedicated to the Browns, let's move on.

He'll get another chance. He'll make a go at it. Hope it works out. And I don't think it is bad on us if it does.

We have to do what is best for the 2016 Browns, and going into this season with Manziel on the roster is not best for us.

Could Hue Jack be some great influence on Johnny? Maybe. But fuck Johnny. Why would Hue Jack want to deal with him? You cannot rely on him at this point in his life. No way for Hue Jack to start. Not fair to him to collar him with Johnny.

Johnny's gotta go, it's best for the Browns. You can lament it all you want, But if you are Hue Jackson, why try your hand at this shitshow when there are so many other options out there?

You act like Johnny is some great talent that we are going to miss out on by giving up on him too soon.

You are what you are. And Johnny was a standout college QB with limited results in the NFL who has proven to be lacking in the reliability and leadership required for the position.

Sure, he can change. But he has shit on everybody here, including the owner that believed in him, and the new regime would be wise to ship his sideshow elsewhere and build a professional, committed team for the get-go.

Zombo

Mudfly

I would say the fan base was divided on Johnny before he ever set foot in Berea....and has remained so....

And they were divided for the exact reasons they are divided now......because a lot of people thought he would bring the massive mess he has brought to the team and the city.....

@westside-steve said:
Edit and to mud tried to straighten him out in college and failed? Before or after he won the national championship?
WSS

Um...he never won anything.....National Championship????......hahahahaha.....try 5th place and then 7th place in his own conference....

You must be thinking of Tebow.......

miktoxic

if anything, let's hope haslam has learned his 'jerrah' lesson and keeps his frickin nose out of personnel decisions from now on, except when it comes to the money.

stay in your zone jimmy. keep trying to make a nickel into a dime.

TexasAg1969

Have y'all seen this?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/johnny_free_february_movement.html

OK starting now!

Westside Steve

@mudfly said:

I would say the fan base was divided on Johnny before he ever set foot in Berea....and has remained so....

And they were divided for the exact reasons they are divided now......because a lot of people thought he would bring the massive mess he has brought to the team and the city.....

Um...he never won anything.....National Championship????......hahahahaha.....try 5th place and then 7th place in his own conference....

You must be thinking of Tebow.......

Maybe. I love him too though.

WSS

The Gipper

I heard Jason Cole from Bleacher Report on radio today say he expects the Browns to just cut JM some time between now and two weeks from now and was leaning more towards sooner rather than later

How about we make this ruling here: If and when JFF gets cut...if that is what is to occur....then this thread....and every other single other one that is created that talks about the boy (and he is a boy) be locked.

How many of you remember when Pete Franklin was on the radio. (Franklin still is to this day the biggest name in Cleveland sports talk radio..at the time he may have been the only game in town talking sports)?

He went on rant after rant about the Cavs and the ineptness of Ted Stepien. Stepien vowed to sue him (or he did sue him). Franklin then made a rule that he would then never let a word be said about the Cavs on his radio show. And he did exactly that. For 2-3 years even during the height of basketball season he never had a conversation about the Cavs. (and not many people cared because as a result of Stepien's management the Cavs sucked big time)

It was a complete moratorium.

Can we have a complete moratorium on JFF when he is gone? At least a full year.

bbedward

@the-gipper said:

I heard Jason Cole from Bleacher Report on radio today say he expects the Browns to just cut JM some time between now and two weeks from now and was leaning more towards sooner rather than later

How about we make this ruling here: If and when JFF gets cut...if that is what is to occur....then this thread....and every other single other one that is created that talks about the boy (and he is a boy) be locked.

1 week from today is when we can cut him.

I liked the idea of merging every JM thread we've ever had into one - creating a mega hundred+ page rollercoaster ride of emotions.

The Gipper

@bbedward said:

1 week from today is when we can cut him.

I liked the idea of merging every JM thread we've ever had into one - creating a mega hundred+ page rollercoaster ride of emotions.

Fine....and then shutting it down. Rollercoaster rides do end.

Furious Styles

@westside-steve said:

Edit and to mud tried to straighten him out in college and failed? Before or after he won the national championship?

WSS

LMMFAO. Before I guess ?

Johnny won the national championship like Greenland dropped the atomic bomb on the Alamo.

Pumpkin Eater

Someone mentioned Ray Lewis? Displaying hall of fame talent cures a lot of ills. Manziel sucks though. He doesn't have NFL level talent let alone Pro Bowl talent. All style no substance. They need to drop his ass like a sack of shit.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:
Fine....and then shutting it down. Rollercoaster rides do end.

Now don't take away all fun with JFF. The circus is half the game. It should get even better to see what town, if any, the circus goes to next and how that plays out there. It's just too damn entertaining to write off just because the circus left town. Just look how stirred up this board has been since he was drafted. You have to grin about some of the wild rollercoaster ride and it ain't over till it's over.

Tour2ma

Stirred up? Well that's one way of looking at it.

And 13 and 12...

OldBrownsFan

@texasag1969 said:

Now don't take away all fun with JFF. The circus is half the game. It should get even better to see what town, if any, the circus goes to next and how that plays out there. It's just too damn entertaining to write off just because the circus left town. Just look how stirred up this board has been since he was drafted. You have to grin about some of the wild rollercoaster ride and it ain't over till it's over.

Manziel has been entertainment alright but I would have liked the entertainment much better if he was wearing a Steelers uniform.

Zombo

@bbedward said:

1 week from today is when we can cut him.

I liked the idea of merging every JM thread we've ever had into one - creating a mega hundred+ page rollercoaster ride of emotions.

That's my plan, but i want to do it like jellybeans in a jar.

I will merge every thread with the words "Manziel" "Johnny" or "JFF" in the titles and we all take a guess how many pages. No cheating of course.

Here was the first post, adoug had the honors in Sept. 2013:

http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26736&hl=manziel%20johnny

hoorta

Zombo said:

That's my plan, but i want to do it like jellybeans in a jar.

I will merge every thread with the words "Manziel" "Johnny" or "JFF" in the titles and we all take a guess how many pages. No cheating of course.

Here was the first post, adoug had the honors in Sept. 2013:

http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26736&hl=manziel%20johnny

It's going to take awhile Z- you sure you're up for it?

LOL, and looking at the first thread- here's my comment.

"I hope they were scouting Alabama- Manziel is a punk."

Give an honorable mention to Mark- he was agin' him from the get-go too.

The Gipper

@texasag1969 said:

Now don't take away all fun with JFF. The circus is half the game. It should get even better to see what town, if any, the circus goes to next and how that plays out there. It's just too damn entertaining to write off just because the circus left town. Just look how stirred up this board has been since he was drafted. You have to grin about some of the wild rollercoaster ride and it ain't over till it's over.

You will have some CFL chat board that you can patronize when he's gonzo.

Who is gonna pick this guy up?

Westside Steve

How about you just don't read the threads that annoy you Gipper?

Its condensed into one thread as it is unlike some other threads that get repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

WSS

Mike H

If he is actually an alcoholic like many people presume, or has actual bipolar mental health problems, then I feel bad for not noticing that from my keyboard, and with no personal connection to him whatsoever. I have known people with both.

What I don't know is how insulting someone with those problems makes some people feel any better about themselves, but that's your prerogative.

Or how he "shit on your favorite organized football team" has any involvement in any type of intelligent conversation about the current issue.

He is a good football player with a bright future if he can overcome his personal problems and his pending release from the Browns.

And then we will move on to the next one. And I won't bring him up, or be bitter about him being gone like the Hoyer, Colt McCoy, et al crowds who have come and gone in this fan base.