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Today's Analytics Presser... Sashi And Paul Take The Stage

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @ballpeen said:

    Holmgren allowed his desire to fill a QB spot intefere with making a sound football decision.

    And how does that apply now as we see the lean of the Browns towards going with a QB @ #2 overall this early in the process and well before the analytics are done? They have not yet studied the new assignment too determine what made for turnarounds, but yet there has been a lot of info out there towards a QB. Hmmmmm. Will they really let the process make that decision or will they do another Holgren gut decision?

    And will they look at key draft picks before the turnarounds? Hope so. I think they will find a lot of defensive picks there. But just my gut reaction. 😉

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #28

    @texasag1969 said:

    And how does that apply now as we see the lean of the Browns towards going with a QB @ #2 overall this early in the process and well before the analytics are done? They have not yet studied the new assignment too determine what made for turnarounds, but yet there has been a lot of info out there towards a QB. Hmmmmm. Will they really let the process make that decision or will they do another Holgren gut decision?

    And will they look at key draft picks before the turnarounds? Hope so. I think they will find a lot of defensive picks there. But just my gut reaction. 😉

    Still a lot of time left to flesh out the study, but it is possible that step one was:

    - Clear out all distractions.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • T TexasAg1969

    @ballpeen said:

    Holmgren allowed his desire to fill a QB spot intefere with making a sound football decision.

    And how does that apply now as we see the lean of the Browns towards going with a QB @ #2 overall this early in the process and well before the analytics are done? They have not yet studied the new assignment too determine what made for turnarounds, but yet there has been a lot of info out there towards a QB. Hmmmmm. Will they really let the process make that decision or will they do another Holgren gut decision?

    And will they look at key draft picks before the turnarounds? Hope so. I think they will find a lot of defensive picks there. But just my gut reaction. 😉

    OsirisO Osiris wrote on
    #29

    @texasag1969 said:

    Will they really let the process make that decision or will they do another Holgren gut decision?

    I share one thing with DePodesta. We both have a background in bioinformatics analysis. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that gut reactions are frowned upon at least explicitly trained out of anyone who is going to be performing any kind of statistical or informatics-based analysis.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #30

    Well these things are reassuring. So which teams do any of you think qualify for the study of those that have made relatively quick turnarounds?

  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #31

    2012 to 2013 Chiefs

    2-14 to 11-5

    New Coach - Reid

    Trade for QB - Smith

    Draft - OT, TE (Kelce), backup RB

    FAs - FS, OT (re-sign), WR (re-sign). Vet WR, 2 LBs, and 2 CBs (and many other mid-level depth players)

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #32

    2011 to 2012 Colts

    2-14 to 11-5

    New coach- Pagano

    Draft #1 QB, 2 TEs, and a star WR

    FAs - vet WR, NT, DE, and #1 CB

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #33

    2010 to 2011 49ers

    6-10 to 13-3

    New coach- Harbaugh

    Draft: DE, and QB

    FAs: OL, 2 LBs

    Re-signed: QB, DE, S

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #34

    Not surprising... All 3 examples I listed included getting a new coach, solid QB, and acquiring a few key FAs...

    Hmmm...

    #Justsayin'
    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #35

    Triv was talking about the last presser...evidently hue wasnt even mentioned except in a freudian slip...

  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #36

    2007-2008 Falcons

    4-12 to 11-5

    New coach- Mike Smith

    Draft- QB (Ryan), OT, WR, CB, S

    FAs- RB, DE

    Coach + QB again...

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #37

    2007 to 2008 Ravens

    5-11 to 11-5

    Harbaugh + Flacco (and Rice)

    2005-2006 Saints

    3-13 to 10-6

    Peyton + Brees

    I don't think I need to continue to make my point...

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    Not surprising... All 3 examples I listed included getting a new coach, solid QB, and acquiring a few key FAs...

    Hmmm...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #38

    @thenew23 said:

    Not surprising... All 3 examples I listed included getting a new coach, solid QB, and acquiring a few key FAs...

    Hmmm...

    I see more "rebound" than turnaround. None more obvious than the Manningless 2011 Colts.

    With the exception of your 49er example, teams you listed did not have long strings of miserable performance prior to the crash that preceded their "turnaround". They were "competitive" so it would appear a nucleus was in place. May not be the case with us.

    2010 Colts were 10-6 after a long string of 12+ win seasons.

    2009 49ers were 8-8 after years of sub-500.

    2006 Falcons were 7-9 after 8 and 11 win seasons.

    2006 Ravens won 11 games.

    2004 Saints won 8, and 8, 9, 7 and 10 games the previous 4 seasons

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #39

    VesnaKociper said:

    I am sorry, but you guys are missin the biggest news. Joe Thomas is going to be a BIG piece of this going forward. FUCK man, I have goosebumps.

    These guys don't have a fucking clue.

    It wasn't missed, most folks here are super happy.

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #40

    VesnaKociper said:

    I am sorry, but you guys are missin the biggest news. Joe Thomas is going to be a BIG piece of this going forward. FUCK man, I have goosebumps.

    These guys don't have a fucking clue.

    Yes we know you don't like offensive linemen, Rainman.

    👍
  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    VesnaKociper said:

    I am sorry, but you guys are missin the biggest news. Joe Thomas is going to be a BIG piece of this going forward. FUCK man, I have goosebumps.

    These guys don't have a fucking clue.

    Yes we know you don't like offensive linemen, Rainman.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #41

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Yes we know you don't like offensive linemen, Rainman.

    I'm seeing more of Sam-I-am.

    I am ghoolie

    ghoolie I am

    that ghoolie i am

    that ghoolie i am

    i do not like that

    ghoolie i am

    do you like any

    offensive lineman?

    I do not like them

    ghoolie I am

    Would you like them
    Here or there?
    I would not like them
    here or there.
    I would not like them
    anywhere.
    I do not like any
    offensive lineman
    I do not like them,
    ghoolie I am
    👍
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #42

    VesnaKociper said:

    I am sorry, but you guys are missin the biggest news. Joe Thomas is going to be a BIG piece of this going forward. FUCK man, I have goosebumps.

    These guys don't have a fucking clue.

    (Hey...Ghoolie...its getting old. These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along)

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #43

    VesnaKociper said:

    Getting OLD? A 9 year veteran lard ass who has had no impact on the team.......... is going to be an IMPORTANT PIECE going forward?

    Dude, if THIS do-nothing is IMPORTANT, you are looking at 3 - 13. Fucking moronic franchise, and moronic fans.

    Yep. I'm so excited I just took a fucking tour in my drawers. Man it stinks.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #44

    VesnaKociper said:

    Getting OLD? A 9 year veteran lard ass who has had no impact on the team.......... is going to be an IMPORTANT PIECE going forward?

    Dude, if THIS do-nothing is IMPORTANT, you are looking at 3 - 13. Fucking moronic franchise, and moronic fans.

    Well, he will be important.....whether you like it or not.

    The problem is the other 10 important pieces.

    Tom Brady would be playing in the Super Bowl this week if he had Joe Thomas blocking for him.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    VesnaKociper said:

    Getting OLD? A 9 year veteran lard ass who has had no impact on the team.......... is going to be an IMPORTANT PIECE going forward?

    Dude, if THIS do-nothing is IMPORTANT, you are looking at 3 - 13. Fucking moronic franchise, and moronic fans.

    Well, he will be important.....whether you like it or not.

    The problem is the other 10 important pieces.

    Tom Brady would be playing in the Super Bowl this week if he had Joe Thomas blocking for him.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #45

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, he will be important.....whether you like it or not.

    The problem is the other 10 important pieces.

    Tom Brady would be playing in the Super Bowl this week if he had Joe Thomas blocking for him.

    And Swartz on the other side to try to slow down Miller.

  • OsirisO Osiris wrote on
    #46

    VesnaKociper said:

    Getting OLD? A 9 year veteran lard ass who has had no impact on the team.......... is going to be an IMPORTANT PIECE going forward?

    Dude, if THIS do-nothing is IMPORTANT, you are looking at 3 - 13. Fucking moronic franchise, and moronic fans.

    You've got some anger issues clouding your judgement here. The FO didn't say he's the only important piece. He said an important piece. Everyone in the NFL thinks a good left tackle is important. That's why there's a good chance Tunsil is the #1 pick tihs year. It just isn't as important as the guy he's supposed to protect from getting sacked. That's going to be whatever QB we pick up in the upcoming draft. So chill out and give this administration a chance. They've already done more right by cutting Manziel than the whole last administration did.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
  • OsirisO Osiris

    VesnaKociper said:

    Getting OLD? A 9 year veteran lard ass who has had no impact on the team.......... is going to be an IMPORTANT PIECE going forward?

    Dude, if THIS do-nothing is IMPORTANT, you are looking at 3 - 13. Fucking moronic franchise, and moronic fans.

    You've got some anger issues clouding your judgement here. The FO didn't say he's the only important piece. He said an important piece. Everyone in the NFL thinks a good left tackle is important. That's why there's a good chance Tunsil is the #1 pick tihs year. It just isn't as important as the guy he's supposed to protect from getting sacked. That's going to be whatever QB we pick up in the upcoming draft. So chill out and give this administration a chance. They've already done more right by cutting Manziel than the whole last administration did.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #47

    @osiris said:

    You've got some anger issues clouding your judgement here. The FO didn't say he's the only important piece. He said an important piece. Everyone in the NFL thinks a good left tackle is important. That's why there's a good chance Tunsil is the #1 pick tihs year. It just isn't as important as the guy he's supposed to protect from getting sacked. That's going to be whatever QB we pick up in the upcoming draft. So chill out and give this administration a chance. They've already done more right by cutting Manziel than the whole last administration did.

    As a wise actress once said - 'As every housewife knows, the first check you write is for the mortgage. The second is for the insurance...'

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