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  • Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!


  • His campaign told everyone Carson dropped out. His campaign manager tweeted it and talked about how he'd make a great VP candidate for Cruz right around primary time - then has since deleted them.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/267996-carson-rips-dishonest-culture-of-cruz-campaign

  • Iowa needs to jump into the 21st century anyway as Hillary Clinton only beat Sanders because she won 6 consecutive coin flips. Lucky her. The democrats need to move up to rock-paper-scissors to decide presidential primaries. 🙂

  • Iowa needs to jump into the 21st century anyway as Hillary Clinton only beat Sanders because she won 6 consecutive coin flips. Lucky her. The democrats need to move up to rock-paper-scissors to decide presidential primaries. 🙂

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Iowa needs to jump into the 21st century anyway as Hillary Clinton only beat Sanders because she won 6 consecutive coin flips. Lucky her. The democrats need to move up to rock-paper-scissors to decide presidential primaries. 🙂

    Yeah, that's the most fucked up thing ever. If a single delegate is tied then sure, coin toss, but if multiple are tied, distribute them according to polling. Hillary 3, Bernie 3.

  • I saw this and thought it was funny

    Things I trust more than I trust Hillary Clinton:

    Mexican tap water.

    A rattlesnake with a "pet me" sign.

    OJ Simpson showing me his knife collection.

    Farting when I have diarrhea.

    An elevator ride with Ray Rice.

    Having a drink offered by Bill Cosby.

    Michael Jackson's Doctor.

    An Obama Nuclear deal with Iran.

    A Palestinian on a motorcycle.

    Gas station Sushi.

    A Nazi plumber.

    A Jimmy Carter economic plan.

    A government worker telling me that he wants to help me.

    Brian Williams news reports.

    Prayers for peace from Al Sharpton.

    Playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol.

    An email from a Nigerian prince.

    The Heimlich Maneuver from Barney Frank.

    A condom made in China.

    A prostate exam done by Captain Hook.

    Bill Clinton at a Girl Scout convention.

  • Hitler comparisons are probably not good generally speaking but I do have problems with some of the hard left who seem to have little regard for the constitution. Recently at Missouri University we had a college professor try to remove a student from filming a protest. The student told her he had every right under the first amendment to film the protest and her response was to tell the crowd "we need some muscle over here". The student knew more about the first amendment than the professor. Maybe not all on the left but for sure there are a number of them that need to learn what our constitution is about and the wisdom of the founders of this country.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Hitler comparisons are probably not good generally speaking but I do have problems with some of the hard left who seem to have little regard for the constitution. Recently at Missouri University we had a college professor try to remove a student from filming a protest. The student told her he had every right under the first amendment to film the protest and her response was to tell the crowd "we need some muscle over here". The student knew more about the first amendment than the professor. Maybe not all on the left but for sure there are a number of them that need to learn what our constitution is about and the wisdom of the founders of this country.

    You're interpretation of the Constitution. Trump had "Anti-Trump" protesters removed from his rally, you ready to start a new thread.

  • He removes anti Trump protesters from every rally

  • He removes anti Trump protesters from every rally

    @bbedward said:

    He removes anti Trump protesters from every rally

    And "my" interpretation of the 1st Amendment is anything that doesn't incite violence or cause violence is protected speech. So if you make it into a political rally you're speech should be protected.

  • @bbedward said:

    He removes anti Trump protesters from every rally

    And "my" interpretation of the 1st Amendment is anything that doesn't incite violence or cause violence is protected speech. So if you make it into a political rally you're speech should be protected.

    @baconhound said:

    And "my" interpretation of the 1st Amendment is anything that doesn't incite violence or cause violence is protected speech. So if you make it into a political rally you're speech should be protected.

    Yelling and causing a disturbance in a private event isn't protected under the first amendment. They're just disturbing all the people who waited however many hours to legitimately hear the event.

    If they were outside the private venue, then yes they'd be fine.

    If you went into a McDonalds and started yelling "McDonalds is evil" that's not protected under the first amendment, they'll kick your ass out

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    Hitler comparisons are probably not good generally speaking but I do have problems with some of the hard left who seem to have little regard for the constitution. Recently at Missouri University we had a college professor try to remove a student from filming a protest. The student told her he had every right under the first amendment to film the protest and her response was to tell the crowd "we need some muscle over here". The student knew more about the first amendment than the professor. Maybe not all on the left but for sure there are a number of them that need to learn what our constitution is about and the wisdom of the founders of this country.

    You're interpretation of the Constitution. Trump had "Anti-Trump" protesters removed from his rally, you ready to start a new thread.

    @baconhound said:

    You're interpretation of the Constitution. Trump had "Anti-Trump" protesters removed from his rally, you ready to start a new thread.

    Like any real mid Western Americans care what some New England fag thinks?

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    Hitler comparisons are probably not good generally speaking but I do have problems with some of the hard left who seem to have little regard for the constitution. Recently at Missouri University we had a college professor try to remove a student from filming a protest. The student told her he had every right under the first amendment to film the protest and her response was to tell the crowd "we need some muscle over here". The student knew more about the first amendment than the professor. Maybe not all on the left but for sure there are a number of them that need to learn what our constitution is about and the wisdom of the founders of this country.

    You're interpretation of the Constitution. Trump had "Anti-Trump" protesters removed from his rally, you ready to start a new thread.

    @baconhound said:

    You're interpretation of the Constitution. Trump had "Anti-Trump" protesters removed from his rally, you ready to start a new thread.

    No it is not just my interpretation as this professor got criminal charges over this:

    Missouri Professor Who Called for ‘Some Muscle’ at Protest Is Charged

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/melissa-click-missouri-professor-who-called-for-some-muscle-at-protest-is-charged.html

  • @baconhound said:

    And "my" interpretation of the 1st Amendment is anything that doesn't incite violence or cause violence is protected speech. So if you make it into a political rally you're speech should be protected.

    Yelling and causing a disturbance in a private event isn't protected under the first amendment. They're just disturbing all the people who waited however many hours to legitimately hear the event.

    If they were outside the private venue, then yes they'd be fine.

    If you went into a McDonalds and started yelling "McDonalds is evil" that's not protected under the first amendment, they'll kick your ass out

    @bbedward said:

    Yelling and causing a disturbance in a private event isn't protected under the first amendment. They're just disturbing all the people who waited however many hours to legitimately hear the event.

    If they were outside the private venue, then yes they'd be fine.

    If you went into a McDonalds and started yelling "McDonalds is evil" that's not protected under the first amendment, they'll kick your ass out

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    While I don't disagree with you as we can see with the language of the First Amendment it strictly is talking about the power of Congress and the creation of law. Every situation that determines what speech is allowed and which isn't is strictly "our" interpretation of what was intended by the First Amendment.

  • @baconhound said:

    You're interpretation of the Constitution. Trump had "Anti-Trump" protesters removed from his rally, you ready to start a new thread.

    No it is not just my interpretation as this professor got criminal charges over this:

    Missouri Professor Who Called for ‘Some Muscle’ at Protest Is Charged

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/melissa-click-missouri-professor-who-called-for-some-muscle-at-protest-is-charged.html

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    No it is not just my interpretation as this professor got criminal charges over this:

    Missouri Professor Who Called for ‘Some Muscle’ at Protest Is Charged

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/melissa-click-missouri-professor-who-called-for-some-muscle-at-protest-is-charged.html

    I'm sure you actually read the link you posted. The misdemeanor assault charge is for striking the person and threatening harm, not saying "get the fuck out of here"...

  • Melissa A. Click, assaulted a videographer “by grabbing at his camera with her hand and attempting to knock it from his grasp” and “by calling out and asking for other people in the area at the time to forcefully remove him.”

  • Melissa A. Click, assaulted a videographer “by grabbing at his camera with her hand and attempting to knock it from his grasp” and “by calling out and asking for other people in the area at the time to forcefully remove him.”

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Melissa A. Click, assaulted a videographer “by grabbing at his camera with her hand and attempting to knock it from his grasp” and “by calling out and asking for other people in the area at the time to forcefully remove him.”

    Misdemeanor assault, also referred to as a simple assault, generally means an act of violence against another person but can actually include any physical contact made without consent. Even a threat of bodily harm made with an apparent ability to cause the harm is considered assault. The threat must cause a reasonable fear of injury, otherwise there is no assault.

    Pretty simple definition. You have to have the ability to do harm for a verbal threat to be considered assault. If I'm in line at the movies and yell out, "will somebody punch this person" the plaintiff has to prove that I had the ability to persuade someone to punch the person. If I walk up and grab the person the misdemeanor assault case is already made.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    Melissa A. Click, assaulted a videographer “by grabbing at his camera with her hand and attempting to knock it from his grasp” and “by calling out and asking for other people in the area at the time to forcefully remove him.”

    Misdemeanor assault, also referred to as a simple assault, generally means an act of violence against another person but can actually include any physical contact made without consent. Even a threat of bodily harm made with an apparent ability to cause the harm is considered assault. The threat must cause a reasonable fear of injury, otherwise there is no assault.

    Pretty simple definition. You have to have the ability to do harm for a verbal threat to be considered assault. If I'm in line at the movies and yell out, "will somebody punch this person" the plaintiff has to prove that I had the ability to persuade someone to punch the person. If I walk up and grab the person the misdemeanor assault case is already made.

    @baconhound said:

    Misdemeanor assault, also referred to as a simple assault, generally means an act of violence against another person but can actually include any physical contact made without consent. Even a threat of bodily harm made with an apparent ability to cause the harm is considered assault. The threat must cause a reasonable fear of injury, otherwise there is no assault.

    Pretty simple definition. You have to have the ability to do harm for a verbal threat to be considered assault. If I'm in line at the movies and yell out, "will somebody punch this person" the plaintiff has to prove that I had the ability to persuade someone to punch the person. If I walk up and grab the person the misdemeanor assault case is already made.

    The student filming that protest had every right to be there and film it. It was a public event. He was not causing a disturbance and the professor was out of line in trying to remove him. Now she is facing criminal charges over it. The student was in the right and the professor was in the wrong.

    In the case with Trump a protester has every right to be at his meeting but if they cause a disturbance Trump has the right to have them removed. The professor did not have the right to have the student filming removed because he was doing nothing wrong. She might not have liked him filming the protest but that did not give her cause to do what she did. As a professor she should have known better.

  • @bbedward said:

    He removes anti Trump protesters from every rally

    And "my" interpretation of the 1st Amendment is anything that doesn't incite violence or cause violence is protected speech. So if you make it into a political rally you're speech should be protected.

    @baconhound said:

    And "my" interpretation of the 1st Amendment is anything that doesn't incite violence or cause violence is protected speech. So if you make it into a political rally you're speech should be protected.

    Maybe somebody thought they were going to start praying...

    😉

    WSS

  • @bbedward said:

    Yelling and causing a disturbance in a private event isn't protected under the first amendment. They're just disturbing all the people who waited however many hours to legitimately hear the event.

    If they were outside the private venue, then yes they'd be fine.

    If you went into a McDonalds and started yelling "McDonalds is evil" that's not protected under the first amendment, they'll kick your ass out

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    While I don't disagree with you as we can see with the language of the First Amendment it strictly is talking about the power of Congress and the creation of law. Every situation that determines what speech is allowed and which isn't is strictly "our" interpretation of what was intended by the First Amendment.

    @baconhound said:

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    While I don't disagree with you as we can see with the language of the First Amendment it strictly is talking about the power of Congress and the creation of law. Every situation that determines what speech is allowed and which isn't is strictly "our" interpretation of what was intended by the First Amendment.

    The rights provided under the first amendment do not extend to private property. There's many court cases about it but I'm too lazy to look them up.

    Universities are different too, but generally disrupting a public forum or class activities would not be guaranteed under the first amendment either.

    And we're not talking about the government intervening here, although those rules don't necessarily apply to the secret service.

    But you can be told to leave, if you refuse then you are trespassing.

  • This is the issue I have with someone fundamentally religious - when they make statements like:

    ...our rights do not come from the democratic party or the Republican party or even from the tea party. Our rights come from our creator.

    - Ted Cruz, couple days ago

    It implies that they want to impart the religious rule of their choosing over everybody, regardless of their religion.

  • Cruz looks and has the demeanor of every guilty party in an SVU episode.