Jonathan Paul Manziel
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His dad trying to get him in rehab from the sounds of it.
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Interesting comparison with Todd Marinovich, Mud.
And while as you know I think most of the accusations rank between meaningless and of some small concern, the statement from his agent is the most troublesome.
WSS
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Johnny's agent dumping him...
This is sad.
He still never learned to go through progressions and was still too innacurate and he never impressed me as a guy that could be our answer at starting QB ....
But I like him, he played for us, and I want the best for him.
Just like I want the best for Oliver Davis, Mike Oliphant and Brian Robiskie.
I feel for his parents because this has to be hardest on them, and they seem to be really trying.
The kid's got demons. I'm going pray he gets things turned around and the Johnny Football story has a happy ending.
Zombo
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 18s19 seconds ago
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefterJohnny Manziel's dad, Paul, told Dallas Morning News, "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday."Johnny Manziel's dad, Paul, told Dallas Morning News, "I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday."
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His dad trying to get him in rehab from the sounds of it.
His dad trying to get him in rehab from the sounds of it.
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
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Is there something in the board software that doesn't like long threads? Why not just keep the other one going?
Is there something in the board software that doesn't like long threads? Why not just keep the other one going?
It does help the website a bit to break them up. There were a few mean-spirited posts gathering, so I thought it was a good stopping point.
Zombo
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Gentlemen:
Here is the situation associated with the Police Report that was made. And remember I come at this as both someone who has defended the accused on these in the past (not so much any more), someone who has represented victims....and as a magistrate who has heard these cases.
Bottom line, the reason that both the Dallas and Ft. Worth police have dropped this investigation: They do NOT believe a word of what this girl says. She can file a report and give a statement and say anything she wants in there, but clearly the police who did this investigation.....after interviewing her and judging her credibility, after interviewing Johnny and judging his credibility, after interviewing other witnesses and judging their credibility (and from what I have heard there were other witnesses) they do not believe her story. I believe it goes much further than just a he said/she said situation. I think they don't believe what she says and probably have other evidence....statements, witnesses that support their decision.
Let me also say this about police these days: if they believe a man has committed multiple assaults/kidnapping etc., they are NOT just going to let this go because she doesn't want to press charges. They CAN bring charges on their own without her cooperation if things look bad enough for the accused.
So, bottom line: they don't believe a word she says.
I am not trying to defend JFF....I am just giving the straight dope on this.
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His dad trying to get him in rehab from the sounds of it.
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
Yep.....it's way past funny or "I told you so" now....and, based upon his recent comments, his denial is in full force..... making it worse, all his people are jumping ship too....LeBron, The Browns, his agent, his girl......
Someone....anyone.....needs to get him help now.....
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Zombo said:
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
Yep.....it's way past funny or "I told you so" now....and, based upon his recent comments, his denial is in full force..... making it worse, all his people are jumping ship too....LeBron, The Browns, his agent, his girl......
Someone....anyone.....needs to get him help now.....
Yep.....it's way past funny or "I told you so" now....and, based upon his recent comments, his denial is in full force..... making it worse, all his people are jumping ship too....LeBron, The Browns, his agent, his girl......
Someone....anyone.....needs to get him help now.....
FLASH!!!!! Saviour of the Johnny-verse!
Maybe Josh Gordon can help?
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Gentlemen:
Here is the situation associated with the Police Report that was made. And remember I come at this as both someone who has defended the accused on these in the past (not so much any more), someone who has represented victims....and as a magistrate who has heard these cases.
Bottom line, the reason that both the Dallas and Ft. Worth police have dropped this investigation: They do NOT believe a word of what this girl says. She can file a report and give a statement and say anything she wants in there, but clearly the police who did this investigation.....after interviewing her and judging her credibility, after interviewing Johnny and judging his credibility, after interviewing other witnesses and judging their credibility (and from what I have heard there were other witnesses) they do not believe her story. I believe it goes much further than just a he said/she said situation. I think they don't believe what she says and probably have other evidence....statements, witnesses that support their decision.
Let me also say this about police these days: if they believe a man has committed multiple assaults/kidnapping etc., they are NOT just going to let this go because she doesn't want to press charges. They CAN bring charges on their own without her cooperation if things look bad enough for the accused.
So, bottom line: they don't believe a word she says.
I am not trying to defend JFF....I am just giving the straight dope on this.
Gentlemen:
Here is the situation associated with the Police Report that was made. And remember I come at this as both someone who has defended the accused on these in the past (not so much any more), someone who has represented victims....and as a magistrate who has heard these cases.
Bottom line, the reason that both the Dallas and Ft. Worth police have dropped this investigation: They do NOT believe a word of what this girl says. She can file a report and give a statement and say anything she wants in there, but clearly the police who did this investigation.....after interviewing her and judging her credibility, after interviewing Johnny and judging his credibility, after interviewing other witnesses and judging their credibility (and from what I have heard there were other witnesses) they do not believe her story. I believe it goes much further than just a he said/she said situation. I think they don't believe what she says and probably have other evidence....statements, witnesses that support their decision.
Let me also say this about police these days: if they believe a man has committed multiple assaults/kidnapping etc., they are NOT just going to let this go because she doesn't want to press charges. They CAN bring charges on their own without her cooperation if things look bad enough for the accused.
So, bottom line: they don't believe a word she says.
I am not trying to defend JFF....I am just giving the straight dope on this.
The girl seems to be just as screwed up as he is, so I can see that. The 911 caller was a neighbor, but not sure what she witnessed outside of screaming.
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Gentlemen:
Here is the situation associated with the Police Report that was made. And remember I come at this as both someone who has defended the accused on these in the past (not so much any more), someone who has represented victims....and as a magistrate who has heard these cases.
Bottom line, the reason that both the Dallas and Ft. Worth police have dropped this investigation: They do NOT believe a word of what this girl says. She can file a report and give a statement and say anything she wants in there, but clearly the police who did this investigation.....after interviewing her and judging her credibility, after interviewing Johnny and judging his credibility, after interviewing other witnesses and judging their credibility (and from what I have heard there were other witnesses) they do not believe her story. I believe it goes much further than just a he said/she said situation. I think they don't believe what she says and probably have other evidence....statements, witnesses that support their decision.
Let me also say this about police these days: if they believe a man has committed multiple assaults/kidnapping etc., they are NOT just going to let this go because she doesn't want to press charges. They CAN bring charges on their own without her cooperation if things look bad enough for the accused.
So, bottom line: they don't believe a word she says.
I am not trying to defend JFF....I am just giving the straight dope on this.
The girl seems to be just as screwed up as he is, so I can see that. The 911 caller was a neighbor, but not sure what she witnessed outside of screaming.
The girl seems to be just as screwed up as he is, so I can see that. The 911 caller was a neighbor, but not sure what she witnessed outside of screaming.
Well, I am hoping there are no criminal charges.
Either way, something bad happened, and the kid is succumbing to his demons.
Your agent and your Dad don't just say shit like that for the hell of it.
He needs long term help. Give up football for a couple seasons.
Maybe the Browns can get a medical exemption for him if he goes into long-term rehab.
Zombo
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His dad trying to get him in rehab from the sounds of it.
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
Totally agree Z. He is in serious trouble and his poor parents are at wits end trying to save him from himself. They are totally helpless at this point after twice checking him into places and twice they find no reason they can keep him against his will. We all know he can talk a good ballgame so without the magical "kill myself or others" they can't do anything but release him. This is a tragedy right now and no longer just a Johnny being Johnny story.
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...48?
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His dad trying to get him in rehab from the sounds of it.
Ya, this is some serious shit. Time to break down the "camps" and all hope the best for for him.
Zombo
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Also of note, the Browns probably knew about details between him and girlfriend, parents, etc.
Seemed like they were quick to make a statement that basically said "he's gone" so they could get in front of all of the news before it came out.
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I agree with Z & Ag. Also, as a parent of an adult Son who HAS made great strides in changing his life for the better, My Prayers go out to his Family that he does get the help he needs.
Mike
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WhIle we are at it try and stay focused on the crazy girlfriend aspect. She drove from Fort Worth to Dallas just to go bar hopping with her friends where Johnny's apartment just happens to be. And she just happens to wind up there even though there's another girl in it? Please.
I've driven from Fort Worth to Dallas, it takes almost an hour. Like driving from Cleveland to Akron which is suspicious in the first place. And this is the second time she is claimed he beat her up and both times the cops didn't buy it. Seems like if a raging professional athlete actually did beat up a 110 pound bitch there'd be evidence? And I can't imagine if it were legitimate that Texas or Cleveland cops would just let it slide. The Gipper hit it right on the head and his legal opinion.
Of course that only helps us understand to incidence, but I think it's pretty clear what went on in those two.
WSS
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Also of note, the Browns probably knew about details between him and girlfriend, parents, etc.
Seemed like they were quick to make a statement that basically said "he's gone" so they could get in front of all of the news before it came out.
Also of note, the Browns probably knew about details between him and girlfriend, parents, etc.
Seemed like they were quick to make a statement that basically said "he's gone" so they could get in front of all of the news before it came out.
It is entirely possible that she is a bigger drama queen than he is. Again, three different police departments were sic'ed on him by her....and none of them did anything. They obviously have their squabbles, but that does not mean that JFF committed actionable domestive violence.
But, I am sure that the drama associated with this was just another brick in the wall to seal Johnny's fate.
I think he is an alcoholic.
He is certainly a fuckup.
He is immature.
He is disrespectful.....of his teammates, coaches, owners, etc.
He is apparently lazy. He wants the glory but not to do the work it requires
He also seems addicted to the limelight, to the attention. (HE sought out TMZ, no?)
He feels he is entitled.
He is all of this shit.....but he is probably not a serious abuser of women.....at least not yet. It seems this chick got jealous because the gold digger is losing her gold, so she went telling tales. It happens.
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Gipper I agree with most of your points except the lazy part because last year he did commit himself to rehab and even according to the coaches worked extremely hard and made great strides. I think his immaturity and personality flaw allowed him to become angry when he felt all that was ignored.
I'm wondering if it has anything to do with bipolar syndrome? We know people who will spend days or weeks or months frenetically working and then revert to another amount of time with no motivation whatsoever.
WSS
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