Chris's fave Bernie Sanders.. wants more taxes to bail out student loans
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Ha.
I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.
As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.
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Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.
Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).
Compare and contrast.
Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.
Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).
Compare and contrast.
Thank you. I had a few things going for me
1. Lucky to have a dad that saved up money for college. 50k a year out of state would have been impossible otherwise.
2. Michigan isn't big on financial aid to out of state students (Illinois was much more generous). But I was offered federal loans that were easier to pay off
3. I co-op'd one winter and was part time another, so only 6.5 semesters to pay
Still though, I couldn't have afforded grad school (even if I wanted to).
All things considered, I'm pretty lucky
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Only Hillary has ever given a paid for speech at a college. Duh
Without checking I would bet nobody else even comes close to gouging colleges for a speech like Hillary Clinton... She told UCLA they were getting the Clinton bargain special at $300,000 when they asked if she would lower her speaking fee. Also the point is that colleges who gouge students with high tuition should be wiser with their spending instead of giving an old political hack like Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech.
Without checking I would bet nobody else even comes close to gouging colleges for a speech like Hillary Clinton... She told UCLA they were getting the Clinton bargain special at $300,000 when they asked if she would lower her speaking fee. Also the point is that colleges who gouge students with high tuition should be wiser with their spending instead of giving an old political hack like Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech.
Clinton also doesn't pay the crew (sound crew, light screw, etc, etc.) until they send her several invoices for several months (I've seen multiple people on said crews say they couldn't get her team to pay them)
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I don't know why people don't understand that student loan debt 1) the system needs an overhaul and 2) that shit needs to be forgiven. So many graduates are working at salaries WELL under what their degree required so if we want them to be functioning and "consuming" members of society, ie contributing to economic growth....something has to be done. This is why part of me is on board with ole comrade Sanders about college tuition....but what I wish he would do is qualify it with "certain degrees". As was said before, interpretive dance doesn't need to be covered by the taxpayer.
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I don't know why you don't understand "personal responsibility".
dammit. Somebody accrues 200,000 bucks to go to art school....
and they sell one painting for five bucks in a year.....
and poor them, we should bail them out???
Meanwhile, I had to turn away from my keyboard because I was drinking green tea.
Almost sprayed my keyboard. Dammit, Steve. LOLLOL
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I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.
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I don't know why you don't understand "personal responsibility".
dammit. Somebody accrues 200,000 bucks to go to art school....
and they sell one painting for five bucks in a year.....
and poor them, we should bail them out???
Meanwhile, I had to turn away from my keyboard because I was drinking green tea.
Almost sprayed my keyboard. Dammit, Steve. LOLLOL
"Posted Today, 10:35 AM
I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.
WSS "I don't know why you don't understand "personal responsibility".
dammit. Somebody accrues 200,000 bucks to go to art school....
and they sell one painting for five bucks in a year.....
and poor them, we should bail them out???
Meanwhile, I had to turn away from my keyboard because I was drinking green tea.
Almost sprayed my keyboard. Dammit, Steve. LOLLOL
"Posted Today, 10:35 AM
I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.WSS "
I've taken you off ignore "for the time being"...please stay reasonable and we can have some good discussions. Ok now to your point, those 200k debts weren't accrued going to art school. They were accrued in high end science and medical degrees. I understand your point about personal responsibility, but if things keep going as they are...we're not going to produce many high end doctors and engineers. Why? Cause won't hardly anybody be able to afford them. And college's won't adjust their prices, you know why? Cause they will be able to maintain their enrollment through wealthy americans but mostly foreign students who are getting subsidized by their govts.
Now think about that last one Cal....high end science degrees going back to their home countries when they're done. You think none of that knowledge is being militarized? See the problem? So are we going to tell college's they can't accept foreign kids anymore? This is how China is catching up to us as quick as they are. We taught em. They will keep paying for their kids to go through the American college mill. And our kids will be left doing what? Not filling desperately needed domestic jobs that's what.
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There are plenty of kids that want nothing to do with math /science /engineering, and that is before cost factors in.
We shouldn't limit that pool any more
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There are plenty of kids that want nothing to do with math /science /engineering, and that is before cost factors in.
We shouldn't limit that pool any more
There are plenty of kids that want nothing to do with math /science /engineering, and that is before cost factors in.
We shouldn't limit that pool any more
of course not, there's business, AG and teaching just to name a few that are "extremely" important. But if you're gonna sell the notion of free college tuition to the American public...it has to revolve around degrees we really see a ROI with. I see no problem with asking kids to get a degree or trade skill that has immediate usefulness AND makes them some cash. With which they can then go back in a few years and get what they want. Seems reasonable to me. I'm not pooing on history or philo. degrees but should we be paying for them?
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the surest way to kill off the idea is to say we'll have no problem subsidizing the Van Wilders.
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In 2013 about 70% of graduates averaged 28 grand in debt.
If they had any kind of useful and marketable skill it shouldn't be a huge hardship to pay off the price of a reasonably nice car for a lifetime of employment.
WSS
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There is not enough job creation happening. I don't see how anyone supporting Bernie Sanders could believe huge taxation on business and job creators will do anything but hurt the already poor job growth.
If you tax away the American dream what incentive is there for an employer? What incentives are there to start a business if the profits are going to be taxed away? Maybe Bernie can get some students free college but then what? Where are they going to work at with no jobs to go to? Move to China?
I want to see an environment where young people have that American dream in front of them that if they work hard and smart and willing to risk their own money there can be a nice payoff. Without that incentive why would anyone even want to start a business?
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Exactly. Why would I want to be rich if taxes meant I would be slightly less rich?
Yeeeeaaahhhhh I think you're overplaying the taxes thing
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Exactly. Why would I want to be rich if taxes meant I would be slightly less rich?
Yeeeeaaahhhhh I think you're overplaying the taxes thing
Exactly. Why would I want to be rich if taxes meant I would be slightly less rich?
Yeeeeaaahhhhh I think you're overplaying the taxes thing
Don't think so Woody. Many businesses fail if not most. There is no government bail out for the small business owner that fails and it is all risk/reward.
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It's said we already have the highest business tax globally.
You jack that to 90%,and the dumb idea that the businesses
won't leave is nonsense.
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Wait wut? What is this 90% thing? Is this something that snopes has already debunked?
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One thing to consider, if college graduates today aren't able to find suitable employment that would equal to the amount of education they have now, what makes anyone think that a free college degrees for every citizen would be beneficial?
WSS
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"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
One thing to consider, if college graduates today aren't able to find suitable employment that would equal to the amount of education they have now, what makes anyone think that a free college degrees for every citizen would be beneficial?
WSS
One thing to consider, if college graduates today aren't able to find suitable employment that would equal to the amount of education they have now, what makes anyone think that a free college degrees for every citizen would be beneficial?
WSS
Workers are capital steve. What is capitalism without capital right? If workers don't have the skills for available jobs, that's a problem. But people can't just go running back to college any old time they feel like it can they? Mainly cause it costs a lot of money. If education were free or at least in good part subsidized, we could be a more nimble work force. And that means a better econ for everyone. It really is a win win IF the skills being subsidized are what business's need/want.
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That's pretty damn funny. But.....he's not wrong. Just might not be the right way to get there, but he isn't wrong.
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One thing to consider, if college graduates today aren't able to find suitable employment that would equal to the amount of education they have now, what makes anyone think that a free college degrees for every citizen would be beneficial?
WSS
Workers are capital steve. What is capitalism without capital right? If workers don't have the skills for available jobs, that's a problem. But people can't just go running back to college any old time they feel like it can they? Mainly cause it costs a lot of money. If education were free or at least in good part subsidized, we could be a more nimble work force. And that means a better econ for everyone. It really is a win win IF the skills being subsidized are what business's need/want.
Oh it could shake out that way, but I don't see it. If the labor force is already balking at hiring people with degrees I don't see why more people with degrees would make them more attractive? And it's not really going back to school even though I'm not sure what positions would be available to workers who did go back? I don't know how many research scientist we need. Nor how many people would decide to go through that program even if it was free. I would bet the tech savvy kids are already going to college under student loans and not worrying about the cost until later.Workers are capital steve. What is capitalism without capital right? If workers don't have the skills for available jobs, that's a problem. But people can't just go running back to college any old time they feel like it can they? Mainly cause it costs a lot of money. If education were free or at least in good part subsidized, we could be a more nimble work force. And that means a better econ for everyone. It really is a win win IF the skills being subsidized are what business's need/want.
And if we're all free to follow our muse on Mr Sanders dime I can always go back and get a masters in theater. I will then apply for the lead role in the next Jennifer Aniston movie. We'll see how that works
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