Browns cut Starks and Dray
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Why trade one problem child for an extreme problem child? The Cowboys grew tired of his bullshit and they put up with Dez.
To be fair, one of those problem children has at least proven himself on the field.
To be fair, one of those problem children has at least proven himself on the field.
He has also proven himself to be a complete loon and a locker room cancer. Johnny was a distraction but it seems like Hardy actively tries to shit on locker room chemistry.
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He has also proven himself to be a complete loon and a locker room cancer. Johnny was a distraction but it seems like Hardy actively tries to shit on locker room chemistry.
and also a 1/2 step away from being a convicted felon. yeah we need attitude and some hard hitters but not when it comes to women, children and animals.
well jackson hasn't addressed the burfict issue so maybe he's just as bad? time will tell. everyone loves the jackson hire. put me down as 'not so much'.
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He has also proven himself to be a complete loon and a locker room cancer. Johnny was a distraction but it seems like Hardy actively tries to shit on locker room chemistry.
and also a 1/2 step away from being a convicted felon. yeah we need attitude and some hard hitters but not when it comes to women, children and animals.
well jackson hasn't addressed the burfict issue so maybe he's just as bad? time will tell. everyone loves the jackson hire. put me down as 'not so much'.
and also a 1/2 step away from being a convicted felon. yeah we need attitude and some hard hitters but not when it comes to women, children and animals.
well jackson hasn't addressed the burfict issue so maybe he's just as bad? time will tell. everyone loves the jackson hire. put me down as 'not so much'.
Jackson was the OC. I would think it would be up to Lewis or the Bengals DC to talk about a linebacker.
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and also a 1/2 step away from being a convicted felon. yeah we need attitude and some hard hitters but not when it comes to women, children and animals.
well jackson hasn't addressed the burfict issue so maybe he's just as bad? time will tell. everyone loves the jackson hire. put me down as 'not so much'.
Jackson was the OC. I would think it would be up to Lewis or the Bengals DC to talk about a linebacker.
Jackson was the OC. I would think it would be up to Lewis or the Bengals DC to talk about a linebacker.
i know logic, but still part of the system. they all sink or swim together.....browns should know, still paying how many coaches/coordinators and FO personnel from how many years ago?
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Dray continuously got picked on for his blocking inadequacies last year, and he doesn't provide much as a receiving target, so it makes sense that he goes. Starks was probably serviceable, but his veteran status eats up unnecessary cap room, so see ya later. I'm not a blocking expert, but Dray's inability to routinely make blocks hurt our running game, and I heard multiple times last year "we need a dedicated blocking TE." Hopefully we can find that in free agency.
Bowe is definitely next, and his situation pretty much sealed Farmer's fate. I mean, that kind of money for virtually no production is unheard of in the NFL. You might see it in the MLB, or even NBA, but nobody gets that kind of money in the NFL for next to nothing delivered on the field. The ONLY question regarding Bowe is, was his lack of playing time due to diminished skills, or was it because Pettine wanted to stick it to Ray? We heard all season about the tension between the two men, and there were several times during the season where Bowe would've been useful. Even if he just ran down the field and STOOD there.
I'm also not sold on our RB's, and I don't think our new coach is either. I'm not saying we're going to cut Duke or Crow, not at all, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a proven free agent arrive in town. Hue has publicly stated how excited he is about our RB's, but I'm not so sure.
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ok, what's with the red highlights though zombo?
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Dray continuously got picked on for his blocking inadequacies last year, and he doesn't provide much as a receiving target, so it makes sense that he goes. Starks was probably serviceable, but his veteran status eats up unnecessary cap room, so see ya later. I'm not a blocking expert, but Dray's inability to routinely make blocks hurt our running game, and I heard multiple times last year "we need a dedicated blocking TE." Hopefully we can find that in free agency.
Bowe is definitely next, and his situation pretty much sealed Farmer's fate. I mean, that kind of money for virtually no production is unheard of in the NFL. You might see it in the MLB, or even NBA, but nobody gets that kind of money in the NFL for next to nothing delivered on the field. The ONLY question regarding Bowe is, was his lack of playing time due to diminished skills, or was it because Pettine wanted to stick it to Ray? We heard all season about the tension between the two men, and there were several times during the season where Bowe would've been useful. Even if he just ran down the field and STOOD there.
I'm also not sold on our RB's, and I don't think our new coach is either. I'm not saying we're going to cut Duke or Crow, not at all, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a proven free agent arrive in town. Hue has publicly stated how excited he is about our RB's, but I'm not so sure.
I'm also not sold on our RB's, and I don't think our new coach is either. I'm not saying we're going to cut Duke or Crow, not at all, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a proven free agent arrive in town. Hue has publicly stated how excited he is about our RB's, but I'm not so sure.
Hue also brought in Terrell Watson from the Bengals PS as soon as he showed up in Cleveland.
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Zombo said:
I believe those are the Unrestricted Free Agents.
FAs... Mix of U and R with a couple of ERs thrown in for good measure. But all our "big" names are UFAs.
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You guys wouldn't trade Johnny for Greg Hardy? An elite talent? Y'all serious? Ridiculous.
I'm surprised we cut Starks. Good player. Certainly thought we had worse on the DL. I know, I know, he got that one critical taunting penalty. God forbid. Like no good player has ever done that.
Farmer still winning the battle versus Pettine on Bowe so far.
Why trade one problem child for an extreme problem child? The Cowboys grew tired of his bullshit and they put up with Dez.
Why trade one problem child for an extreme problem child? The Cowboys grew tired of his bullshit and they put up with Dez.
So much for the whole "if Johnny were actually good we wouldn't care about his problems" argument then, I suppose.
The Cowboys are also stacked and can add a top 5 pick in every round.
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Why trade one problem child for an extreme problem child? The Cowboys grew tired of his bullshit and they put up with Dez.
To be fair, one of those problem children has at least proven himself on the field.
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Looks like they've started......Starks and Dray were terminated today.....wonder who's next?
Gotta be Bowe, right?
Pfft... did that yesterday in my first pass at the FA sim...
I also cut Kruger and Mack and Robertson and JM and Bowe and Hartline and...
Pfft... did that yesterday in my first pass at the FA sim...
I also cut Kruger and Mack and Robertson and JM and Bowe and Hartline and...
You cut Mack???....Im surprised..... Who's your center?
Wasn't Kruger brought in for Horton's defensive scheme? Might end up sticking around.
He was brought in for something....just not sure what it was. I think he's vastly overpaid and if we had someone behind him, would be a top priority in the cut column....
But, with no other LB's, my gut tells me we are stuck with him and his cement feet for at least another year....
Bowe would've been useful. Even if he just ran down the field and STOOD there.
Well....he did that a number of times.....it really wasnt useful though....
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Why trade one problem child for an extreme problem child? The Cowboys grew tired of his bullshit and they put up with Dez.
So much for the whole "if Johnny were actually good we wouldn't care about his problems" argument then, I suppose.
The Cowboys are also stacked and can add a top 5 pick in every round.
So much for the whole "if Johnny were actually good we wouldn't care about his problems" argument then, I suppose.
The Cowboys are also stacked and can add a top 5 pick in every round.
Hardy has gun play problems as opposed to Johnny just being a lazy employee with a drinking problem.
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Its not just about good guy bad guy either.....if you cant stay on the field, you are no help to your team. Period.
And if your trying to improve the culture and build team chemistry, these types of guys are counter productive and create a certain level of hypocrisy in the message you trying to send....
And dealing will a mountain of crap so a guy can play a handful of games makes no sense.....so guys like Hardy, Aldon Smith, Albert Haynesworth, etc aren't worth it, because they are proven to be unreliable...simply put, you cant made tackles when you're suspended....
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Pfft... did that yesterday in my first pass at the FA sim...
I also cut Kruger and Mack and Robertson and JM and Bowe and Hartline and...
You cut Mack???....Im surprised..... Who's your center?
Wasn't Kruger brought in for Horton's defensive scheme? Might end up sticking around.
He was brought in for something....just not sure what it was. I think he's vastly overpaid and if we had someone behind him, would be a top priority in the cut column....
But, with no other LB's, my gut tells me we are stuck with him and his cement feet for at least another year....
Bowe would've been useful. Even if he just ran down the field and STOOD there.
Well....he did that a number of times.....it really wasnt useful though....
You cut Mack???....Im surprised..... Who's your center?
Signed Wiesnewski
and drafted Nick Martin... Overkill, but I was not sure Martin would fall to me. But without a proven OT backup on roster (only one was Cam), I now can move either Bito or Greco to OT if need be.Martin would make us forget Mack in short order...
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You cut Mack???....Im surprised..... Who's your center?
Signed Wiesnewski
and drafted Nick Martin... Overkill, but I was not sure Martin would fall to me. But without a proven OT backup on roster (only one was Cam), I now can move either Bito or Greco to OT if need be.Martin would make us forget Mack in short order...
Signed Wiesnewski
and drafted Nick Martin... Overkill, but I was not sure Martin would fall to me. But without a proven OT backup on roster (only one was Cam), I now can move either Bito or Greco to OT if need be.Martin would make us forget Mack in short order...
Ahhh....Wiesnewski was the guy I wanted last year....versatile and affordable....that would work for me....
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I'm going out on a limb and saying that we target Hunter Henry in the 3rd. He's far better all around than anyone else we have or had.
And we just made room by dropping Dray.
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