Camp Goff
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I think Goff and Wentz are two winners, and no team will pay the price
to move up to pick one or the other.
Goff showed a good bit more arm strength than I thought, from questions about it.
In a few years, Lynch could be right up there with them - a winner. We'll see.
It would seem that with the AFC north, Wentz is the obvious choice.
But Peyton Manning was a skinny kid, too. I'll be cheering the pick of either one.
Don't make a bet on the Browns not drafting a qb at 2, you'll lose the bet.
I think Goff and Wentz are two winners, and no team will pay the price
to move up to pick one or the other.
Goff showed a good bit more arm strength than I thought, from questions about it.
In a few years, Lynch could be right up there with them - a winner. We'll see.
It would seem that with the AFC north, Wentz is the obvious choice.
But Peyton Manning was a skinny kid, too. I'll be cheering the pick of either one.
Don't make a bet on the Browns not drafting a qb at 2, you'll lose the bet.
Peyton also could have had some help from a pharmacist to bulk up if rumors hold true.
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I'd be happy with either, though still prefer Goff based on the brain and anticipation/quick release. Someone said Goff was the only one to make throws before guys made their breaks - and was on point doing so, pretty good with a bunch of receivers you have no chemistry with.
I'd be happy with either, though still prefer Goff based on the brain and anticipation/quick release.
Funny you should say that as I just finished reading this:
QB insights are never-ending at the combine
Every year, these interviews invariably produce a handful of nuggets related to quarterback selection and development that shine a light on how specific teams and coaches think about the position at large. Bruce Arians got several questions about how to groom a young quarterback, and just about every bit of the answer was worth noting.
Arians said that in evaluating quarterbacks, he tends to focus less on the arm strength, mechanics and several other factors that scouts and experts tend to obsess over this time of year. “To me, the quarterback position is just about one thing: that’s processing information really fast,” Arians says. “If you can process it, I don’t care how weak your arm is or how strong your arm is, you’ll get the ball to the receiver at the right spot, the right time. If you can’t process the information and you’re going to wait to see him open, you’re going to throw a lot of interceptions.”
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/25/nfl-combine-notes-cleveland-browns-la-rams
If I'm not mixing this up here, Goff's footwork for a guy that never got up under center looked as smooth and efficient as if it's all he's been doing all this time. This kid made everything look easy.
Lynch was the "never" guy, but I believe Goff was a close second.
What got me is in the footage for this discussion the only prospect whose footwork drill was shown was Goff.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639604/Which-sleeper-QBs-impressed-on-Saturday
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Not every single box... As you yourself said, "Goff throws with anticipation. It's his greatest asset." Are you now saying Wentz checks that box??? the big boy box???
For me there is simply not enough difference in their ceilings to justify risking the difference between their floors. And when I say that, I do not concede that Wentz's ceiling is higher.
"Likely franchise" QB? I see franchise grade as a lock with Goff... that's his floor.
As for the whole "perfection" bit... that was with a nod and a wink... but it never hurts to be closer to it...
Right. However, anticipation comes with trust and trust comes with time. Wentz can very easily learn to throw with anticipation as he progresses...I anticipate that he will.
I look at it the Dave Gettleman (formerly Bill Polian) way - I'm not drafting you for who you are now. I'm drafting you for who you are two years from now.
So in two years you've got a 6'6", 245 lb. athletic QB with a very live arm who throws with anticipation and is a legitimate threat in every zone of the game, including running...and you've got a 6'4" 220 lb. technician who has an above average, not great, arm and above average, not great, athleticism who throws with anticipation and is a legitimate threat through the air, not so much on the ground. In two years you have a Ben Roethlisberger and a Matt Ryan.
It's really six of one, half dozen of the other.
Browns fans are so wary of taking a traits guy because of the likes of Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Johnny Manziel that they are basically looking a gift horse in the mouth here. Either way, we're likely getting a good QB, better than anything we've seen in 20 years in Cleveland. It's a matter of preference of the style of QB you'd like plus what you want the game plan to be for the next two years.
Browns fans are so wary of taking a traits guy because of the likes of Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Johnny Manziel that they are basically looking a gift horse in the mouth here. Either way, we're likely getting a good QB, better than anything we've seen in 20 years in Cleveland. It's a matter of preference of the style of QB you'd like plus what you want the game plan to be for the next two years.
This.
Get one of these guys. Some may fear the culture shock of having a real franchise guy under center, but I say let's take a crack at it.
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The one thing that stood out to me on Goff is the fact that he kept his eyes straight downfield during the throwing drills until it was time for him to throw. This showed me he would not stare down his receivers during a pass. I know it was only a drill but if he does it during drills than I am pretty sure he will do the same during season games.
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I'd be happy with either, though still prefer Goff based on the brain and anticipation/quick release.
Funny you should say that as I just finished reading this:
QB insights are never-ending at the combine
Every year, these interviews invariably produce a handful of nuggets related to quarterback selection and development that shine a light on how specific teams and coaches think about the position at large. Bruce Arians got several questions about how to groom a young quarterback, and just about every bit of the answer was worth noting.
Arians said that in evaluating quarterbacks, he tends to focus less on the arm strength, mechanics and several other factors that scouts and experts tend to obsess over this time of year. “To me, the quarterback position is just about one thing: that’s processing information really fast,” Arians says. “If you can process it, I don’t care how weak your arm is or how strong your arm is, you’ll get the ball to the receiver at the right spot, the right time. If you can’t process the information and you’re going to wait to see him open, you’re going to throw a lot of interceptions.”
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/25/nfl-combine-notes-cleveland-browns-la-rams
If I'm not mixing this up here, Goff's footwork for a guy that never got up under center looked as smooth and efficient as if it's all he's been doing all this time. This kid made everything look easy.
Lynch was the "never" guy, but I believe Goff was a close second.
What got me is in the footage for this discussion the only prospect whose footwork drill was shown was Goff.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639604/Which-sleeper-QBs-impressed-on-Saturday
Lynch was the "never" guy, but I believe Goff was a close second.
What got me is in the footage for this discussion the only prospect whose footwork drill was shown was Goff.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639604/Which-sleeper-QBs-impressed-on-Saturday
Tour, I think it was in the 7 step drop drill where it was mentioned about Goff not being up under center throughout college.
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Lynch was the "never" guy, but I believe Goff was a close second.
What got me is in the footage for this discussion the only prospect whose footwork drill was shown was Goff.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000639604/Which-sleeper-QBs-impressed-on-Saturday
Tour, I think it was in the 7 step drop drill where it was mentioned about Goff not being up under center throughout college.
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To me - Goff looks far superior to Wentz.
He has better mechanics, better footwork, a better release, and his progressions are beautiful.
Wentz has the size, arm, and athleticism.
I take Goff and call it a day but that's just me
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I've said it before, but to put a word on it Goff just looks cerebral out there and everything is easy for him.
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He didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
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He didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
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Hes saving it for draft dayHe didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
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He didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
WSS
He didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
WSS
Saving that for draft day from a swan in a Vegas pool.
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He didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
WSS
He didn't send a text message suggesting that we could wreck this league together did he?
WSS
Walt loves him and the only thing left for the kiss of death is if Pog loves him.
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Poll the Cleveland homeless.
Poll the Cleveland homeless.
They'll tell us to draft the dual threat, unpolished but high ceiling guy over the productive, ready to go but lean and small handed QB.
It's like 2014 all over again.
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"Give us Dak Prescott!"- Boxcar Jimmy
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"Give us Dak Prescott!"- Boxcar Jimmy
"Give us Dak Prescott!"- Boxcar Jimmy
Funny thing is, it could apply to loads of QBs in this draft - Goff = Bridgewater, then you have Wentz, Lynch, Prescott, Jones, Hogan and a bunch of guys who are unpolished but with 'high ceilings' because they can run a bit. Never mind that that's a tiny fraction of what a QB needs to do.
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Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
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Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
Only concerns with Goff are his ability to play in cold weather, don't think he's ever been close to a cleveland winter looking at the schedule the last couple of years. Then smaller hands *might* be a factor. Not worried about his frame.
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