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  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    @bbedward said:

    Sessions was wearing a MAGA hat and speaking at a Trump rally back in August.

    Everybody that endorses Trump can't be called an "opportunist" - especially a guy who has been known as ideologically pure among conservatives and has never endorsed anybody in a primary before.

    We'll still hear "No true conservative" arguments against it.

    Go back from whence you came, rato. Take your tea party beliefs with you. Rubio is next to be stumped.

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    @vaportrail said:

    We'll still hear "No true conservative" arguments against it.

    Go back from whence you came, rato. Take your tea party beliefs with you. Rubio is next to be stumped.

    I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

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      @vaportrail said:

      We'll still hear "No true conservative" arguments against it.

      Go back from whence you came, rato. Take your tea party beliefs with you. Rubio is next to be stumped.

      I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      @oldbrownsfan said:

      I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

      I think Trump talks what he thinks people want to hear, depending on where he is located. I think deep down he is a liberal-Republican. He loves uneducated people. He loves everybody.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        @vaportrail said:

        We'll still hear "No true conservative" arguments against it.

        Go back from whence you came, rato. Take your tea party beliefs with you. Rubio is next to be stumped.

        I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        @oldbrownsfan said:

        I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

        OBF, why do you think evangelicals went with Trump over Cruz? Nothing in Trump's behavior screams Evangelical Christian and he really hasn't talked about policy outside of pie-in-the-sky plans with Mexico paying for a border wall.

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          @oldbrownsfan said:

          I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

          OBF, why do you think evangelicals went with Trump over Cruz? Nothing in Trump's behavior screams Evangelical Christian and he really hasn't talked about policy outside of pie-in-the-sky plans with Mexico paying for a border wall.

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          @logicisforsquares said:

          OBF, why do you think evangelicals went with Trump over Cruz? Nothing in Trump's behavior screams Evangelical Christian and he really hasn't talked about policy outside of pie-in-the-sky plans with Mexico paying for a border wall.

          Didn't Barack Obama win a good portion of the evangelistic vote? Didn't he join a Fundamentalist Church in Chicago to help him win votes? Then how well did he serve the wishes of the Christian community? How well has any President served the wishes of the Christian community?

          It stands to reason that whether you pray 10 times a day or are a devout atheist sooner or later you realize the president can't implement a theocracy so it's best to vote for someone who will manage the country. Jimmy Carter was a Christian.

          But the term tea party sets off a Pavlovian bell for some people.

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            I think it's because cruz's campaign went dirty vs Dr. Ben Carson.

            That really turned me off with supporting him. I'm afraid that Trump

            will be very different were he get to be pres. Maybe excellent, maybe

            bad.

            Obamao chose, "very, very corrupt and opposite of how he portrayed himself"...

            after he dishonestly manipulated so many to vote for him.

            Is Trump who he really portrays himself as? He may very well be.

            Obamao has failed to screw over enough people to get his demands met.

            Cruz's obstinency in Conress was admirable, because so many just are cowardly sheep when

            it comes to fighting the left.

            Trump doesn't seem to be any kind of sheep, and he's saying the flat out statements a lot of

            people are saying. If Trump is being honest, he may finally be the president most everybody on the

            right and middle want.

            The left had their eight miserable, corrupt, broken promises/hidden agenda obamao for going on eight years.

            Hell with them and their misguided arrogance and lack of principles, lack of respect for our Constitution, etc.

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              and, yes, "Tea Party" is just another emotional knee jerk. "Fox News" is another.

              "right wing conspiracy"...

              "war on women"... "halliburton"...

              just like for eight years of Bush, the left publicly lamented every death of every soldier

              in Iraq and Afghanistan.

              Going on eight years of obamao... the left just doesn't give a damn.

              It was all an emotional knee jerk, derived in a fit of dreams of free stuff, and political expediency. It's what the left does.

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              • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                @oldbrownsfan said:

                I can tell you don't care for the Tea party but what part of the Tea party beliefs doesn't Trump represent? One of the problems for Cruz is that Trump has managed to win more Tea partiers like Sarah Palin than Cruz (as well as evangelical Christian voters). These voters would have probably went to Cruz if Trump was not in the race.

                OBF, why do you think evangelicals went with Trump over Cruz? Nothing in Trump's behavior screams Evangelical Christian and he really hasn't talked about policy outside of pie-in-the-sky plans with Mexico paying for a border wall.

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                @logicisforsquares said:

                OBF, why do you think evangelicals went with Trump over Cruz? Nothing in Trump's behavior screams Evangelical Christian and he really hasn't talked about policy outside of pie-in-the-sky plans with Mexico paying for a border wall.

                @calfoxwc said:

                I think it's because cruz's campaign went dirty vs Dr. Ben Carson.

                That really turned me off with supporting him. I'm afraid that Trump

                will be very different were he get to be pres. Maybe excellent, maybe

                bad.

                Obamao chose, "very, very corrupt and opposite of how he portrayed himself"...

                after he dishonestly manipulated so many to vote for him.

                Is Trump who he really portrays himself as? He may very well be.

                Obamao has failed to screw over enough people to get his demands met.

                Cruz's obstinency in Conress was admirable, because so many just are cowardly sheep when

                it comes to fighting the left.

                Trump doesn't seem to be any kind of sheep, and he's saying the flat out statements a lot of

                people are saying. If Trump is being honest, he may finally be the president most everybody on the

                right and middle want.

                The left had their eight miserable, corrupt, broken promises/hidden agenda obamao for going on eight years.

                Hell with them and their misguided arrogance and lack of principles, lack of respect for our Constitution, etc.

                I think the Cruz campaign falsely telling Carson voters in Iowa that Carson was dropping out of the race was a part of it. It upset me.

                I also think some people have in their minds that everything Trump touches turns to gold but his bankruptcies and failed Trump University show otherwise.

                If Trump wins the nomination I'll support him. As far as I'm concerned the establishment republicans made a big fuss with Trump to get on board and promise to support whomever wins the republican nomination and they should now do the same with supporting whomever wins the primaries even if it is Trump as the republican voters have spoken.

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                • bbedwardB bbedward

                  This is literally the last nail in the Cruz coffin.

                  Sessions is the most "ideologically comparable" person to Cruz in the Senate.

                  And he still endorsed Trump...just goes to show you how much Cruz's colleagues literally hate him.

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                  P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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                  @bbedward said:

                  This is literally the last nail in the Cruz coffin.

                  Sessions is the most "ideologically comparable" person to Cruz in the Senate.

                  And he still endorsed Trump...just goes to show you how much Cruz's colleagues literally hate him.

                  So lifelong political sponges hate him? That's probably a good thing.

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                    @bbedward said:

                    This is literally the last nail in the Cruz coffin.

                    Sessions is the most "ideologically comparable" person to Cruz in the Senate.

                    And he still endorsed Trump...just goes to show you how much Cruz's colleagues literally hate him.

                    So lifelong political sponges hate him? That's probably a good thing.

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                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                    @pumpkin-eater said:

                    So lifelong political sponges hate him? That's probably a good thing.

                    +1

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                      Mexico will pay for the wall in ten years if you tax US dollars being wired to Mexico at a mere 4% more.

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                        Mexico will pay for the wall in ten years if you tax US dollars being wired to Mexico at a mere 4% more.

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                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        @pumpkin-eater said:

                        Mexico will pay for the wall in ten years if you tax US dollars being wired to Mexico at a mere 4% more.

                        After being lied to by the establishment GOP for decades with their empty talk about securing the border I think Trump if elected president will get the border secured. The problem has always been that both parties have wanted an open border for different reasons. The democrats wanted a new voting block and the chamber of commerce republicans wanted the cheap labor.

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                          And that's trumps appeal in a nutshell. He is standing for the regular guy, not the rich or special interest groups.

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                            And that's trumps appeal in a nutshell. He is standing for the regular guy, not the rich or special interest groups.

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                            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                            @pumpkin-eater said:

                            And that's trumps appeal in a nutshell. He is standing for the regular guy, not the rich or special interest groups.

                            Unless you count himself as a rich or special interest group.

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                              @pumpkin-eater said:

                              So lifelong political sponges hate him? That's probably a good thing.

                              +1

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                              bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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                              @oldbrownsfan said:

                              +1

                              @pumpkin-eater said:

                              So lifelong political sponges hate him? That's probably a good thing.

                              Jeff Sessions is "the guy" that conservatives including Cruz worship and look up to.

                              Nobody likes Cruz because he's a loud mouth who shuts down the government over planned parenthood costing the country billions, then he doesn't show up to work otherwise or do anything else.

                              Cruz isn't a political outsider anyway, people just don't like him. His wife was on the national security committee with Condoleeza under GW Bush (disaster), Cruz was the brains behind a lot of GW Bush's domestic policy on legal matters, now his wife has a cushy position with Goldman Sachs.

                              Cruz is the establishment - his colleagues just don't like him because he's a loud mouth with a punchable face..

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                                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                Cruz calls McConnell a Democrat

                                http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cruz-mcconnell-democrat-215372

                                If there is a poster child for the establishment republicans it is Mitchell McConnell and Cruz has been a thorn in his side. Cruz is not part of the establishment and never has been.

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                                  Cruz calls McConnell a Democrat

                                  http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cruz-mcconnell-democrat-215372

                                  If there is a poster child for the establishment republicans it is Mitchell McConnell and Cruz has been a thorn in his side. Cruz is not part of the establishment and never has been.

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                                  bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                                  Cruz is not part of the establishment and never has been.

                                  Wrong - I just explained that he was. He's just exploiting a different crowd than the other establishment guys.

                                  McConnell wants Hillary over Trump, though.

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                                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                                    Cruz is not part of the establishment and never has been.

                                    Wrong - I just explained that he was. He's just exploiting a different crowd than the other establishment guys.

                                    McConnell wants Hillary over Trump, though.

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                                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    @bbedward said:

                                    Wrong - I just explained that he was. He's just exploiting a different crowd than the other establishment guys.

                                    McConnell wants Hillary over Trump, though.

                                    Not wrong -

                                    5 times Ted Cruz went to war with the Republican establishment

                                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/22/5-times-ted-cruz-went-to-war-with-the-republican-establishment/

                                    Ted Cruz Starts to Crack G.O.P. Establishment’s Wall of Opposition

                                    "The vast majority of Republican elites remain bitterly opposed to the prospect of Mr. Cruz’s becoming the party’s presidential nominee, some even preferring to take their chances with Donald J. Trump."

                                    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-starts-to-crack-gop-establishments-wall-of-opposition.html?_r=0

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                                      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                      That's because nobody likes him and he's unelectable, but he's still the establishment. You don't work closely with George Bush and help create the disasters in Iraq, take more money than all the republican rivals sans Bush, get kickbacks from goldman sachs and get the title "anti-establishment"

                                      Cruz stands in the senate and yells the 10% of the time he actually shows up - wasting everybody's time, then he leaves and says he fought the good fight.

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                                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                        Will the real Donald Trump please stand up?

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                                          Don't fight it - it's Trump V Hillary

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