Camp Trade Down

[The Gipper]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Of the four you mentioned, only one fits your argument.

I don't think so.

Ravens....great defense, great running game, Dilfer competent game manager.

Bucs....great defense, great running game with Alstott/Dunn, Brad Johnson game manager.

Broncos....great defense, good running game, with Peyton being a competent game manager at that point.

Steelers...great defense, great running game with Bettis, second year/learning QB with BR.

(perhaps the Steelers are the one that doesn't exactly fit the scenario)

[Johnny Fingers Farmer]

@the-gipper said:

I don't think so.

Ravens....great defense, great running game, Dilfer competent game manager.

Bucs....great defense, great running game with Alstott/Dunn, Brad Johnson game manager.

Broncos....great defense, good running game, with Peyton being a competent game manager at that point.

Steelers...great defense, great running game with Bettis, second year/learning QB with BR.

(perhaps the Steelers are the one that doesn't exactly fit the scenario)

He was talking about the Browns QB's you listed. Only Couch was taken with the Browns first pick. Couch was the also the only one of the four you listed that was the first QB taken in the draft. Quin/Weeden/JM all were the 2nd pick of the Browns and all had other QB's drafted before them. Quin/JM were the 2nd QB taken and Weeden 4th QB taken in their drafts.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

@the-gipper said:

Or.....if as I suspect, there is really little difference perhaps between Wentz and Goff.....you do the trade down, get the extra picks, and still get Goff/Wentz at #4 (and you have picked up a #34 to add with it...if the Dallas deal is done).

Except you have absolutely zero evidence of them thinking that.

So this theory means exactly as little as mine.

[beare]

Cal QB Jared Goff's NFL Combine interview with the Browns was "bad," according to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports.

Hue Jackson has since denied the statement, but Robinson stands behind what he heard and noted that Goff and the Browns will talk at least two more times during the process (likely at his pro day and an in-house visit, is our guess). ESPN's Josina Anderson backs up what Robinson claims by adding "I don’t know if (Goff) fully understands how he’s coming off to grown men. It’s been discussed. Off putting." This process is a long one and we will hear some teams like or dislike specific prospects. However, the Browns are currently in desperate need of a quarterback, and many feel Goff is worthy of a top 10 selection. We do not.

looks as maybe goff screwed up his interview hoping browns dont pick him is my guess.

[TexasAg1969]

@beare said:

Cal QB Jared Goff's NFL Combine interview with the Browns was "bad," according to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports.

Hue Jackson has since denied the statement, but Robinson stands behind what he heard and noted that Goff and the Browns will talk at least two more times during the process (likely at his pro day and an in-house visit, is our guess). ESPN's Josina Anderson backs up what Robinson claims by adding "I don’t know if (Goff) fully understands how he’s coming off to grown men. It’s been discussed. Off putting." This process is a long one and we will hear some teams like or dislike specific prospects. However, the Browns are currently in desperate need of a quarterback, and many feel Goff is worthy of a top 10 selection. We do not.

looks as maybe goff screwed up his interview hoping browns dont pick him is my guess.

Now what about "I love the pools in Vegas" do you think might put them off?

[gftChris]

@texasag1969 said:

Now what about "I love the pools in Vegas" do you think might put them off?

"Why would you draft me when you already have Manziel? I'm not sure I'll beat him out"

[The Gipper]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Except you have absolutely zero evidence of them thinking that.

So this theory means exactly as little as mine.

They seem to be heavily pursuing Kaepernick.....THAT is your evidence that the Browns are not all that enamored with these so called top ranked QBs.

Besides....in my scenario....trading down to #4...they would still get one of those QBs. But if they get Kaep....my position in the vanguard of Camp Bosa is strengthened.

Fair to say?

[gftChris]

@the-gipper said:

They seem to be heavily pursuing Kaepernick.....THAT is your evidence that the Browns are not all that enamored with these so called top ranked QBs.

Besides....in my scenario....trading down to #4...they would still get one of those QBs. But if they get Kaep....my position in the vanguard of Camp Bosa is strengthened.

Fair to say?

Most people not in Camp Bosa are in one of the QB camps. Stands to reason that if we get a presumed starting QB, most will jump to Bosa, or maybe Jack.

[The Gipper]

@gftchris said:

Most people not in Camp Bosa are in one of the QB camps. Stands to reason that if we get a presumed starting QB, most will jump to Bosa, or maybe Jack.

Or? Tunsil....if he is there.....to protect.

[darren15]

From what I have seen neither QB is worthy of a 2nd overall pick ......many better players in the draft.

They are both first rounders but not 2 overall ...both would be a reach

[gumby73]

Happy Easter!! On a slow day, so thought I would bring this back. With a article at Cleveland.com & loss of major FA's in roster & analytically being involved in our new FO most have us with the notion of Trading Down, if our goal is rebuilding through the drafts. It always takes two but here's the possible. 49'ers from 7 to 2 will cost them, a future 1st rounder & maybe a 3rd or 4th. Philly from 8-2 is same as 49'ers plus a additional 2nd round pick. Rams from 15-2 will cost 3 1st rounder's & possible 2nd rounder if not more & may want to move up once before offering Browns the farm. These trade up offers our based on NFL trade value charts. Again, am not throwing out Wentz or Goff as our future but our FO & Hue will be there to take the calls..

[calfoxwc]

Posted 11 March 2016 - 01:14 AM

Cal QB Jared Goff's NFL Combine interview with the Browns was "bad," according to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports.

Hue Jackson has since denied the statement, but Robinson stands behind what he heard and noted that Goff and the Browns will talk at least two more times during the process (likely at his pro day and an in-house visit, is our guess). ESPN's Josina Anderson backs up what Robinson claims by adding "I don’t know if (Goff) fully understands how he’s coming off to grown men. It’s been discussed. Off putting." This process is a long one and we will hear some teams like or dislike specific prospects. However, the Browns are currently in desperate need of a quarterback, and many feel Goff is worthy of a top 10 selection. We do not.

looks as maybe goff screwed up his interview hoping browns dont pick him is my guess. Beare

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Steve Mariucci says Goff is the best pure passer in the draft. But I've been saying this very thing - in interviews,

he just doesn't seem to smile much, and maybe it's arrogance/self-centeredness - just seems like he doesn't interview

relaxed. Doesn't smile. Wentz smiles, jokes around, perfectly at ease with other people, interviews and himself.

For me, it's Wentz, 100% at #2. From what I see, Goff seems like Jay Cutler. Wentz's teammates flock to him

on their pro day. On Goff's pro day...not so much at all. Wentz openly was friends with his LT, Haeg. Goff,

who knows. Just my impressions.

[Osiris]

@calfoxwc said:

Posted 11 March 2016 - 01:14 AM

Cal QB Jared Goff's NFL Combine interview with the Browns was "bad," according to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports.

Hue Jackson has since denied the statement, but Robinson stands behind what he heard and noted that Goff and the Browns will talk at least two more times during the process (likely at his pro day and an in-house visit, is our guess). ESPN's Josina Anderson backs up what Robinson claims by adding "I don’t know if (Goff) fully understands how he’s coming off to grown men. It’s been discussed. Off putting." This process is a long one and we will hear some teams like or dislike specific prospects. However, the Browns are currently in desperate need of a quarterback, and many feel Goff is worthy of a top 10 selection. We do not.

looks as maybe goff screwed up his interview hoping browns dont pick him is my guess. Beare

**********************************************

Steve Mariucci says Goff is the best pure passer in the draft. But I've been saying this very thing - in interviews,

he just doesn't seem to smile much, and maybe it's arrogance/self-centeredness - just seems like he doesn't interview

relaxed. Doesn't smile. Wentz smiles, jokes around, perfectly at ease with other people, interviews and himself.

For me, it's Wentz, 100% at #2. From what I see, Goff seems like Jay Cutler. Wentz's teammates flock to him

on their pro day. On Goff's pro day...not so much at all. Wentz openly was friends with his LT, Haeg. Goff,

who knows. Just my impressions.

Hard to be friends with your linemen when they don't protect you. Goff succeeded despite his O-line, not because of them. One of the reasons I like him.

[Tour2ma]

@calfoxwc said:

he just doesn't seem to smile much, and maybe it's arrogance/self-centeredness - just seems like he doesn't interview[/size]

relaxed. Doesn't smile. Wentz smiles, jokes around, perfectly at ease with other people, interviews and himself.[/size]

For me, it's Wentz, 100% at #2. From what I see, Goff seems like Jay Cutler. Wentz's teammates flock to him[/size]

on their pro day. On Goff's pro day...not so much at all. Wentz openly was friends with his LT, Haeg. Goff,[/size]

who knows. Just my impressions.[/size]

At 24 vs. 22 Wentz might be expected to be the more comfortable of the two in interviews.

As for Pro Day interactions with teammates... I saw very little difference. One of the NFL Network heads even commented on Goff's "presence" in the weight room prior to the move to the field for drills.

[MLD Woody]

I'm all for trading back but staying in the top 7 or so picks.

[wargograw]

Trade back to Ezekiel Elliot land.

[calfoxwc]

I'd fall out of my chair at Canton Mike's, if the Browns traded down. Get your future qb

at 2. Just nobody step on me....if worse comes to worse...

[darren15]

WHO WANTS THE NUMBER 2 ?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000652364/article/cleveland-browns-willing-to-trade-no-2-overall-pick?utm_campaign=Contact+SNS+For+More+Referrer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=snsanalytics

[rls321321]

UR exactly right. At this point, they just need draft choices. I was hoping Gordon

might be straightened out for next season but he's not so that makes it even more important to

draft a receiver. Due to all these needs I would not draft a QB. They should have a good idea

if RG3 is possibly going to revive himself by next year. Linemen, receivers and DBs are really needed

now.

[The Gipper]

@rls321321 said:

UR exactly right. At this point, they just need draft choices. I was hoping Gordon

might be straightened out for next season but he's not so that makes it even more important to

draft a receiver. Due to all these needs I would not draft a QB. They should have a good idea

if RG3 is possibly going to revive himself by next year. Linemen, receivers and DBs are really needed

now.

Of course, you need to have someone who can throw to those receivers. Are you good with our current corps of QBs, RG, McCown, Davis, Shaw?