Jonathan Paul Manziel
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TRUE CONFESSION.......
I have never swept my dirt under the rug, & I won't here. I own an orange Johnny jersey. Yes, I was a fan of his (note the past tense). I do intend to see whether or not there will be a jersey exchange, ala Baltimore with Ray Rice jerseys.
I still need an orange jersey & here is what it will be:
#46 (the year of birth of both the Browns & I) & also the retired Browns' # of Don Fleming, all star Browns' DB electrocuted while working his off season job.
Name on jersey will be CANTONMIKE.....destined to remain with the Browns forever.
Mike
TRUE CONFESSION.......
I have never swept my dirt under the rug, & I won't here. I own an orange Johnny jersey. Yes, I was a fan of his (note the past tense). I do intend to see whether or not there will be a jersey exchange, ala Baltimore with Ray Rice jerseys.
I still need an orange jersey & here is what it will be:
#46 (the year of birth of both the Browns & I) & also the retired Browns' # of Don Fleming, all star Browns' DB electrocuted while working his off season job.
Name on jersey will be CANTONMIKE.....destined to remain with the Browns forever.
Mike
LOL! I actually bought a Manziel #2 jersey about 3 weeks ago knowing that someday it will be a collectors item. I even keep it in the original plastic cover. I won't take it out unless I come across him somewhere and have him sign it. It can go to my heirs for posterity.
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TRUE CONFESSION.......
I have never swept my dirt under the rug, & I won't here. I own an orange Johnny jersey. Yes, I was a fan of his (note the past tense). I do intend to see whether or not there will be a jersey exchange, ala Baltimore with Ray Rice jerseys. Canton Mike
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"and Calfox tried desperately to convince me that Johnny wasn't a fit, and should not be drafted by the Browns... He must have argued with me about that at least a hundred times...but
would I listen ? NO-O-O....so Cal was absolutely, unequivocally correct"
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TRUE CONFESSION.......
I have never swept my dirt under the rug, & I won't here. I own an orange Johnny jersey. Yes, I was a fan of his (note the past tense). I do intend to see whether or not there will be a jersey exchange, ala Baltimore with Ray Rice jerseys. Canton Mike
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"and Calfox tried desperately to convince me that Johnny wasn't a fit, and should not be drafted by the Browns... He must have argued with me about that at least a hundred times...but
would I listen ? NO-O-O....so Cal was absolutely, unequivocally correct"
TRUE CONFESSION.......
I have never swept my dirt under the rug, & I won't here. I own an orange Johnny jersey. Yes, I was a fan of his (note the past tense). I do intend to see whether or not there will be a jersey exchange, ala Baltimore with Ray Rice jerseys. Canton Mike
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"and Calfox tried desperately to convince me that Johnny wasn't a fit, and should not be drafted by the Browns... He must have argued with me about that at least a hundred times...but
would I listen ? NO-O-O....so Cal was absolutely, unequivocally correct"
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and Mud and I were debating Gilbert vs Johnny and who would end up being best, whilst trying to hook some fishies.....not that Gilberts good(yet)....but he IS still here......
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Can this thread top out at like just 5 pages?
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I think the dude has checked out of football altogether.
Also...another reason Canada may be right for him: I understand that they don't have the anti-drug, anti-alcohol, anti-criminal charge, anti-domestic violence policies that they have in the NFL. He could possibly play up their with impunity from all the antics he has pulled down here.
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Was going to make my case against JF in a new thread, but on an effort to preserve Z's sanity...or what's left of it... here goes...
Besides it'd just get merged anyway... like my Sal Pal thread did...
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29134&page=9&do=findComment&comment=404191
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Why Johnny Manziel must not be drafted.
The 2012/ 2013 Texas Aggie Edition of Johnny Manziel that thrilled millions of fans is as good as he will ever be.
So the first question is how good was he?
Was he Pro playoff good? Yes...
Was he Pro Conference Champ good? I don't think so... so I can not see a single SB appearance in a team's future with him at the helm.
So next question is why isn't he Conf Champ good? For this we have to look at QB comparisons...
Favre (2 SB appearances; 1 SB win)
There are a lot of valid elements to this popular comparison... running ability... gambling nature... guts... bailing out of pocket... poor judgment.. ego... However, the one element lacking that collapses the comparison is arm strength and without this critical element Manziel will consistently write Favre-like checks that his JF arm cannot cash.
Fran Tarkenton (3 SB appearances; 0 SB wins)
Sir Francis, as those of us at certain age know him, was a trailblazer in the art of scrambling. And he scrambled out of necessity. Tarkenton ran for his life behind some very porous lines in both MN and NY.
Fran almost exclusively ran to buy time to pass... to extend pass plays. He "ran" infrequently averaging just over 15 ypg for his career... his 18-year career. His rushing zenith was 376 yards on 62 carries in 12 games in 1966. Not coincidentally in '66 Fran missed the only two starts of his career outside of his rookie season. This in an era where there was open season on any QB, if you could catch them.
Fran ran 675 times in an 18-year pro career... JF ran 345 times in a two-year college career. Some of JF's runs were by staff/ game plan design, but many, many more were spawned by JF's lack of patience in the pocket.
And finally...
R. Wilson (1 SB appearance; 1 SB win)
I've seen this comparison in a few places and it bewilders me. Beyond size (including the now popular hand size), it's hard to find any valid elements here.
Wilson is a smart football player who plays under control.... even runs under control. He's a team first player who checks his ego with the equipment manager when he suits up. He is a "game manager". In other words RW is the temperamental polar opposite of JF.
Ego is the clincher I see that dooms JF and his team to "also ran" perpetuity.
I think the above addresses the "why isn't he Conf Champ good" question leaving one last question...
Why can't JF improve and become Conf Champ/ SB good?
The above ego comments may suffice, but to answer this I have to draw upon one more comparison.... one I have seldom seen, but feel is most apt.
Michael Vick (0 SB appearances; 0 SB wins)
Michael has a stronger arm, but otherwise I think they are a match. Speed, size, competitiveness and ego-driven game inflexibility are all there.
If I had $100,000 for every time Vick got dinged running around "being Michael Vick" followed by "if Michael Vick could only learn to be a pocket passer", then I'd have another million dollars... and host a Browns Board party in a Browns Suite.
But whenever coaches tried to reign in Michael, they took away what made Michael "electric". They made him "average".
The same will be true of JF.
You cannot make a near-great player great by eliminating the characteristic(s) that made him near-great.
A near-great career is all Manziel will ever have...
just like Michael Vick...
minus the whole dog thing...
hopefully...
SInce folks are dredging up some of their JFF prognostications...
As much as I do not want him, I do not think he will "bust"... more like deflate slowly...
Folks more from lots of different folk in this 67 page, epic thread: Johnny Football Fever
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28451&page=49&do=findComment&comment=404221
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
SInce folks are dredging up some of their JFF prognostications...
As much as I do not want him, I do not think he will "bust"... more like deflate slowly...
Folks more from lots of different folk in this 67 page, epic thread: Johnny Football Fever
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28451&page=49&do=findComment&comment=404221
SInce folks are dredging up some of their JFF prognostications...
Folks more from lots of different folk in this 67 page, epic thread: Johnny Football Fever
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28451&page=49&do=findComment&comment=404221
Damn, I hate to be right. From that thread.....
"Mike that analysis is pretty much exactly what I've seen out of Johnny Football, and why I have serious concerns if his style of play will translate well to the NFL. I didn't know about the left-right accuracy issues, but you can bet every NFL Defensive Coordinator is going to take away his ability to roll right whenever possible, and see if he can cut it. That's why I'd take Bridgewater in a heartbeat over JF. Bridgewater is mobile, but only runs when he has to, & doesn't take off when his first read is covered. Goes through his progressions 5X better too. I think it was Todd McShay who said "sooner or later Manziel is going to have to learn how to be a pocket passer". The question is, can he?"
Also "You draft Manziel, you bring the circus to town with him."
I'll sell readings from my Crystal Ball for $5 a shot.
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Charlie Casserly tweeted. . .
My view is JManziel2 is a better QB than @RGIII. Better in pocket but I would take RG3 over him cause I know he would show up @nflnetwork
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One for the road...
"At least I did not lay out the coin for a jersey..."
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And from Glenn Moore @GlennMooreCLE
So long, Johnny Manziel. #Browns
Title: "Riding off into the sunset..."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Injuries include 1 pulled hammy, a bruised ego and a broken ear drum.....
Don't forget about the tendinitis in the elbow...probably caused by all those 12oz arm curls.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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