Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Was going to make my case against JF in a new thread, but on an effort to preserve Z's sanity...or what's left of it... here goes...
Besides it'd just get merged anyway... like my Sal Pal thread did...
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29134&page=9&do=findComment&comment=404191
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Why Johnny Manziel must not be drafted.
The 2012/ 2013 Texas Aggie Edition of Johnny Manziel that thrilled millions of fans is as good as he will ever be.
So the first question is how good was he?
Was he Pro playoff good? Yes...
Was he Pro Conference Champ good? I don't think so... so I can not see a single SB appearance in a team's future with him at the helm.
So next question is why isn't he Conf Champ good? For this we have to look at QB comparisons...
Favre (2 SB appearances; 1 SB win)
There are a lot of valid elements to this popular comparison... running ability... gambling nature... guts... bailing out of pocket... poor judgment.. ego... However, the one element lacking that collapses the comparison is arm strength and without this critical element Manziel will consistently write Favre-like checks that his JF arm cannot cash.
Fran Tarkenton (3 SB appearances; 0 SB wins)
Sir Francis, as those of us at certain age know him, was a trailblazer in the art of scrambling. And he scrambled out of necessity. Tarkenton ran for his life behind some very porous lines in both MN and NY.
Fran almost exclusively ran to buy time to pass... to extend pass plays. He "ran" infrequently averaging just over 15 ypg for his career... his 18-year career. His rushing zenith was 376 yards on 62 carries in 12 games in 1966. Not coincidentally in '66 Fran missed the only two starts of his career outside of his rookie season. This in an era where there was open season on any QB, if you could catch them.
Fran ran 675 times in an 18-year pro career... JF ran 345 times in a two-year college career. Some of JF's runs were by staff/ game plan design, but many, many more were spawned by JF's lack of patience in the pocket.
And finally...
R. Wilson (1 SB appearance; 1 SB win)
I've seen this comparison in a few places and it bewilders me. Beyond size (including the now popular hand size), it's hard to find any valid elements here.
Wilson is a smart football player who plays under control.... even runs under control. He's a team first player who checks his ego with the equipment manager when he suits up. He is a "game manager". In other words RW is the temperamental polar opposite of JF.
Ego is the clincher I see that dooms JF and his team to "also ran" perpetuity.
I think the above addresses the "why isn't he Conf Champ good" question leaving one last question...
Why can't JF improve and become Conf Champ/ SB good?
The above ego comments may suffice, but to answer this I have to draw upon one more comparison.... one I have seldom seen, but feel is most apt.
Michael Vick (0 SB appearances; 0 SB wins)
Michael has a stronger arm, but otherwise I think they are a match. Speed, size, competitiveness and ego-driven game inflexibility are all there.
If I had $100,000 for every time Vick got dinged running around "being Michael Vick" followed by "if Michael Vick could only learn to be a pocket passer", then I'd have another million dollars... and host a Browns Board party in a Browns Suite.
But whenever coaches tried to reign in Michael, they took away what made Michael "electric". They made him "average".
The same will be true of JF.
You cannot make a near-great player great by eliminating the characteristic(s) that made him near-great.
A near-great career is all Manziel will ever have...
just like Michael Vick...
minus the whole dog thing...
hopefully...
SInce folks are dredging up some of their JFF prognostications...
As much as I do not want him, I do not think he will "bust"... more like deflate slowly...
Folks more from lots of different folk in this 67 page, epic thread: Johnny Football Fever
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28451&page=49&do=findComment&comment=404221
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
SInce folks are dredging up some of their JFF prognostications...
As much as I do not want him, I do not think he will "bust"... more like deflate slowly...
Folks more from lots of different folk in this 67 page, epic thread: Johnny Football Fever
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28451&page=49&do=findComment&comment=404221
SInce folks are dredging up some of their JFF prognostications...
Folks more from lots of different folk in this 67 page, epic thread: Johnny Football Fever
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28451&page=49&do=findComment&comment=404221
Damn, I hate to be right. From that thread.....
"Mike that analysis is pretty much exactly what I've seen out of Johnny Football, and why I have serious concerns if his style of play will translate well to the NFL. I didn't know about the left-right accuracy issues, but you can bet every NFL Defensive Coordinator is going to take away his ability to roll right whenever possible, and see if he can cut it. That's why I'd take Bridgewater in a heartbeat over JF. Bridgewater is mobile, but only runs when he has to, & doesn't take off when his first read is covered. Goes through his progressions 5X better too. I think it was Todd McShay who said "sooner or later Manziel is going to have to learn how to be a pocket passer". The question is, can he?"
Also "You draft Manziel, you bring the circus to town with him."
I'll sell readings from my Crystal Ball for $5 a shot.
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Charlie Casserly tweeted. . .
My view is JManziel2 is a better QB than @RGIII. Better in pocket but I would take RG3 over him cause I know he would show up @nflnetwork
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One for the road...
"At least I did not lay out the coin for a jersey..."
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And from Glenn Moore @GlennMooreCLE
So long, Johnny Manziel. #Browns
Title: "Riding off into the sunset..."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Injuries include 1 pulled hammy, a bruised ego and a broken ear drum.....
Don't forget about the tendinitis in the elbow...probably caused by all those 12oz arm curls.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Browns have made 8 first-round picks since 2011. Only 4 - Mingo, Gilbert, Shelton, Erving - remain with team.
Browns have made 8 first-round picks since 2011. Only 4 - Mingo, Gilbert, Shelton, Erving - remain with team.
and not a single one you listed should be in the nfl.....
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Don't forget about the tendinitis in the elbow...probably caused by all those 12oz arm curls.
you mean rolling up those benjamin's to toot his COKE!
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So long Manziel, so long Johnny Football. It was entertaining, that run you had should have been a TD, you drink a lot though, and I still wish we would have drafted Derrick Carr.
Paul Brown is smiling.
Hopefully this is a wake up call to our players. It's time to get serious about winning, about doing whatever it takes, on and off the field.
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The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
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Manziel got waived? Fuck! Yep there goes the best qb that ever walked on to a football field. HOT DAMN!
This was my fav 
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