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Is Mel Kiper a Dumbass?

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @clevfan4life said:

    I think some people are under thr delusion that people who want defense with that fiest pick are somehow anti qb. Like we just dont understand how important that position is.

    Speaking for myself, its about the qb's i see in this draft. I understand its the most importsnt position on the team. I just see a shit o line that cant protect a qb and a defense that will avg 30 points against them. You just cant bring a new kid in here under those conditions

    Yeah- crap o-lines can ruin a qbs career (Carr, Couch) but Troy Aikman got the mortal shit pounded out of him his first couple years in the league.

    But going defense @ #2? Not at all, though the analytics say you probably should take a qb first, if you think he's worthy of the pick.. FWIW, I happen to be a big OSU fan. Should we decide to draft Bosa I really wouldn't be all that upset. What bugs me is some OSU homers thinking Bosa walks on water and he's the consensus best defensive player in this draft- and he's not. Some folks even think he's not the best DL prospect out there.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #30

    @hoorta said:

    Yeah- crap o-lines can ruin a qbs career (Carr, Couch) but Troy Aikman got the mortal shit pounded out of him his first couple years in the league.

    But going defense @ #2? Not at all, though the analytics say you probably should take a qb first, if you think he's worthy of the pick.. FWIW, I happen to be a big OSU fan. Should we decide to draft Bosa I really wouldn't be all that upset. What bugs me is some OSU homers thinking Bosa walks on water and he's the consensus best defensive player in this draft- and he's not. Some folks even think he's not the best DL prospect out there.

    Then the cowboys built arguably the best o line of all time. Coincidentally we had that O line coach here in Cleveland under Mangini. No i'm sorry I have zero faith in this organization that I would advocate drafting an iffy QB over other much higher talent. Not before we build some semblance of a competent O line. I cannot believe people want to pass on Bosa, Buckner, Jack or even Tunsil....for a kid who's gonna run for his ever loving life for the foreseeable future. When I see an O line get built, doesn't have to be "elite", but something that doesn't ruin a young kids ability to make reads downfield cause he's checking off the edge rushers on every snap...ok then go ahead and get your QB.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #31

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/rankings/

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  • C Clevfan4life

    @hoorta said:

    Yeah- crap o-lines can ruin a qbs career (Carr, Couch) but Troy Aikman got the mortal shit pounded out of him his first couple years in the league.

    But going defense @ #2? Not at all, though the analytics say you probably should take a qb first, if you think he's worthy of the pick.. FWIW, I happen to be a big OSU fan. Should we decide to draft Bosa I really wouldn't be all that upset. What bugs me is some OSU homers thinking Bosa walks on water and he's the consensus best defensive player in this draft- and he's not. Some folks even think he's not the best DL prospect out there.

    Then the cowboys built arguably the best o line of all time. Coincidentally we had that O line coach here in Cleveland under Mangini. No i'm sorry I have zero faith in this organization that I would advocate drafting an iffy QB over other much higher talent. Not before we build some semblance of a competent O line. I cannot believe people want to pass on Bosa, Buckner, Jack or even Tunsil....for a kid who's gonna run for his ever loving life for the foreseeable future. When I see an O line get built, doesn't have to be "elite", but something that doesn't ruin a young kids ability to make reads downfield cause he's checking off the edge rushers on every snap...ok then go ahead and get your QB.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #32

    @clevfan4life said:

    ...ok then go ahead and get your QB.

    Gee, thanks... think we will...

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  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    I would rather have Kiper drafting for the Browns than Ray Farmer.

    darren15D darren15 wrote on
    #33

    @canton-dawg said:

    I would rather have Kiper drafting for the Browns than Ray Farmer.

    I would rather have Stevie Wonder drafting for the Browns over Ray Farmer ...neve rmind Kiper

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    ...ok then go ahead and get your QB.

    Gee, thanks... think we will...

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #34

    not before you get that O line straightened out young man.

    @tour2ma said:

    Gee, thanks... think we will...

    hoortaH 1 Reply
  • gumby73G gumby73

    @sisky-fringo said:

    i don't care how much of their resources and how many picks this draft they devote to finding a franchise QB as long as they gain on it and get him in the end. pass rushers are in every draft and can be had at pick 15 and after...QB trumps all luxury positions.

    I could not agree more & we more than likely will be picking in the top 15 a couple of years. Solidifying a QB first, leads to other key weapons in upcoming drafts. If Goff or Wentz can just equal a Bortles, that's elite enough. Let's move on & build around it..

    Babernackle, Your my English speaking. Laptop Typing Hero. You keep bring'em my friend!!

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #35

    @gumby73 said:

    I could not agree more & we more than likely will be picking in the top 15 a couple of years. Solidifying a QB first, leads to other key weapons in upcoming drafts. If Goff or Wentz can just equal a Bortles, that's elite enough. Let's move on & build around it..

    Babernackle, Your my English speaking. Laptop Typing Hero. You keep bring'em my friend!!

    That's what they said when they took Tim Couch. "If you build it with a QB, they will come". Well, they came a bit....but not nearly enough.

  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @the-gipper said:

    I thought they got their man in Osweiler? Are you not buying it?

    They got themselves a QB, time will tell if he's a franchise QB.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #36

    @canton-dawg said:

    They got themselves a QB, time will tell if he's a franchise QB.

    Scott Mitchell part two?

  • darren15D darren15

    @canton-dawg said:

    I would rather have Kiper drafting for the Browns than Ray Farmer.

    I would rather have Stevie Wonder drafting for the Browns over Ray Farmer ...neve rmind Kiper

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #37

    @darren15 said:

    I would rather have Stevie Wonder drafting for the Browns over Ray Farmer ...neve rmind Kiper

    Then, baby, everything would be alright, up tight, out of sight.

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/rankings/

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #38

    @kvoethe said:

    In the comments section it is obvious they think we are worse now, but you can't put a red down arrow on a team starting in the 32nd spot. We have a very spiritual team. 😆

    The highest degree in Freemasonry is the Third Degree (Master Mason). The 32nd Degree is part of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, which is a sub-group within Freemasonry.

  • T TexasAg1969

    @kvoethe said:

    In the comments section it is obvious they think we are worse now, but you can't put a red down arrow on a team starting in the 32nd spot. We have a very spiritual team. 😆

    The highest degree in Freemasonry is the Third Degree (Master Mason). The 32nd Degree is part of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, which is a sub-group within Freemasonry.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #39

    @texasag1969 said:

    In the comments section it is obvious they think we are worse now, but you can't put a red down arrow on a team starting in the 32nd spot. We have a very spiritual team. 😆

    The highest degree in Freemasonry is the Third Degree (Master Mason). The 32nd Degree is part of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, which is a sub-group within Freemasonry.

    Sure, I think there will be a lot of good karma coming the Browns way.

    Preach a little Hindu, a little Taoism...

  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite wrote on
    #40

    Bosa is a 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 OLB.

    If we go front 7, sign me up for Myles Jack

  • C Clevfan4life

    not before you get that O line straightened out young man.

    @tour2ma said:

    Gee, thanks... think we will...

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #41

    @clevfan4life said:

    not before you get that O line straightened out young man.

    Hmmmm....... Even with Thomas, Mack, Schwartz and Greco we were getting our quarterbacks killed. So you want us to wait until we have 5 Pro Bowlers on the OL before we draft the QBOTF?

    Not saying you shouldn't stabilize the OL first, but lesser talent can adequately protect your qbs if he's making quick reads, and unloading the ball fast.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @clevfan4life said:

    not before you get that O line straightened out young man.

    Hmmmm....... Even with Thomas, Mack, Schwartz and Greco we were getting our quarterbacks killed. So you want us to wait until we have 5 Pro Bowlers on the OL before we draft the QBOTF?

    Not saying you shouldn't stabilize the OL first, but lesser talent can adequately protect your qbs if he's making quick reads, and unloading the ball fast.

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #42

    @hoorta said:

    Hmmmm....... Even with Thomas, Mack, Schwartz and Greco we were getting our quarterbacks killed. So you want us to wait until we have 5 Pro Bowlers on the OL before we draft the QBOTF?

    Not saying you shouldn't stabilize the OL first, but lesser talent can adequately protect your qbs if he's making quick reads, and unloading the ball fast.

    I really don't care how they do it. Draft, sign...invite some of the cocksuckers from the brownsboard to camp. Whatever.

  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #43

    but it has to get done to some extent before we bring in a new QB and subject him to NFL pass rush's.

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #44

    Im edging more and more toward a trade down......but would like to see us draft D......Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner or Jack are tops on my list......any of these guys would make me smile....

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #45

    This looks like the beginning of having a very young team this season. Looks like it'll be the drafted kids, udfa and all getting lotsa playing time. I can't see many wins this year but we will have a pretty new team to pull for. Maybe P B and J can get a group together that will learn to play as a team, a damn good team. But certainly not this year.

  • B Babernakle wrote on
    #46

    If the qb position is some important then let's just say for shits and giggles the Browns got Brady Wilson bres of Newton would they win any more game would they be better the answer is no not a chance so why would you waste your top picks on qbs that are not that good unproven and behind a line that might as well be a screen door we are rebuilding not looking for the final piece you take the talent not the hope and if your wondering Manziel was hope

  • nickersN nickers wrote on
    #47

    Mel Kiper gets it wrong every year.. How he keeps a job doing what he does is just downright baffeling to Me.. Me must give Chris Berman good head.. He should loan Berman some hair lol...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Im edging more and more toward a trade down......but would like to see us draft D......Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner or Jack are tops on my list......any of these guys would make me smile....

    Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on
    #48

    @mudfly said:

    Im edging more and more toward a trade down......but would like to see us draft D......Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner or Jack are tops on my list......any of these guys would make me smile....

    I agree Mud, with SO many holes to fill we're not gonna fill them all in one draft.

    Let's face it, the Browns will most likely be picking high in next year's draft as well.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #49

    got to get the QB when we have the pick and he's there............and i'm not talking 22, i'm talking 2.

    i think analytics would say that a HC that is a QB guru needs a QB to work with (below 40 years old and not some 3rd stringer). and the numbers would say get him while you can, cuz who's to say what is there next year.

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