Enough of This Nonsense
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great post Tom. i started smiling a couple of sentences in and haven't stopped.
i love hearing those things and being reminded of why we love the guys we love, guys that define heart. guys that to me define the Browns. we're often hardest on those we love. Brian could chuck it boy, it may have looked like a kickoff sometimes but it got there. on the money too. Lake Erie blows, he had something for sure. you deserved a better example than Dorsey for sure, but i grabbed it because it was recent and a Brownie. a poor choice on my part. it's even a little weird referring to Ken Dorsey as a Brownie. you know? that's kind of what those guys brought. you had faith in them. the guys rallied behind them w/ muddy faces. back when everybody had worn out torn banners and i scanned the crowd for orange tuxedos, complete with the blaze orange sneakers. and let's not forget Bernie went like three plus years w/out an INT.
thanks Tom, i for one am glad you're stubborn. sometimes we need reminded.
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You know what scares me about DA is the lack of progression. He is still making the same throws and staring down the same recievers like he did when he first started. DA only has a quick release because he only looks at the first two recievers and gets rid of it. He never lets a play develop. I would expect a QB after 26 starts to at least progress or show some signs of improvement.
So the question is do you want to start a guy who you know is gonna keep making the same mistakes over and over again, or someone that actually might be able to learn and grow from those experiences?
if you didn't see progression you weren't watching. even i saw it.
he made tons of better reads, improved on his short game some, and attempted to allow plays to develop when necessary. per your handle, if you watched Kosar you know that on many, many of his throws the ball was also in the air before the receiver turned around>>for years. that's how it is in the pro game, you run a play and throw to a spot. you don't have all day to find a target while the pass rush is counting to ten out loud.that last bit was rhetorical, right? while i may come off as a DA defender it's sometimes about pr w/ me. and if he ends up being the QB for the Browns you can thank the few of us around here that helped the guy feel a little more welcome. i post w/ the understanding that our players might be reading the board too.
if you didn't see progression you weren't watching. even i saw it.
he made tons of better reads, improved on his short game some, and attempted to allow plays to develop when necessary. per your handle, if you watched Kosar you know that on many, many of his throws the ball was also in the air before the receiver turned around>>for years. that's how it is in the pro game, you run a play and throw to a spot. you don't have all day to find a target while the pass rush is counting to ten out loud.
that last bit was rhetorical, right? while i may come off as a DA defender it's sometimes about pr w/ me. and if he ends up being the QB for the Browns you can thank the few of us around here that helped the guy feel a little more welcome. i post w/ the understanding that our players might be reading the board too.
I was watching and I didn't see it. Yeah he checked down but for the majority of the time he's still doing the same thing looking at his first two reads and getting rid of it. Go watch tape on DA than watch Quinn because there is a difference. Quinn goes through all his progressions than goes to the checkdown. Not look at the first two reads than go to the checkdown. Or just throw into triple coverage because he thinks he can fit the ball anywhere. At least thats what I see when I watch him play. Everytime he drops back to pass I'm hoping he doesn't screw up.
Yes it was rhetorical but I appreciate your thoughts and comments. It's just a difference of opinion.
In the end I just want what's best for the team as do most people around here except for a few.
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if you didn't see progression you weren't watching. even i saw it.
he made tons of better reads, improved on his short game some, and attempted to allow plays to develop when necessary. per your handle, if you watched Kosar you know that on many, many of his throws the ball was also in the air before the receiver turned around>>for years. that's how it is in the pro game, you run a play and throw to a spot. you don't have all day to find a target while the pass rush is counting to ten out loud.
that last bit was rhetorical, right? while i may come off as a DA defender it's sometimes about pr w/ me. and if he ends up being the QB for the Browns you can thank the few of us around here that helped the guy feel a little more welcome. i post w/ the understanding that our players might be reading the board too.
I was watching and I didn't see it. Yeah he checked down but for the majority of the time he's still doing the same thing looking at his first two reads and getting rid of it. Go watch tape on DA than watch Quinn because there is a difference. Quinn goes through all his progressions than goes to the checkdown. Not look at the first two reads than go to the checkdown. Or just throw into triple coverage because he thinks he can fit the ball anywhere. At least thats what I see when I watch him play. Everytime he drops back to pass I'm hoping he doesn't screw up.
Yes it was rhetorical but I appreciate your thoughts and comments. It's just a difference of opinion.
In the end I just want what's best for the team as do most people around here except for a few.
I was watching and I didn't see it. Yeah he checked down but for the majority of the time he's still doing the same thing looking at his first two reads and getting rid of it. Go watch tape on DA than watch Quinn because there is a difference. Quinn goes through all his progressions than goes to the checkdown. Not look at the first two reads than go to the checkdown. Or just throw into triple coverage because he thinks he can fit the ball anywhere. At least thats what I see when I watch him play. Everytime he drops back to pass I'm hoping he doesn't screw up.
Yes it was rhetorical but I appreciate your thoughts and comments. It's just a difference of opinion.
In the end I just want what's best for the team as do most people around here except for a few.
thanks for the reply BtK. i was thinking back and remember one of my very posts on this board, about this time a few years ago. in essence it said i hoped whomever the Browns went after for QB i hope he's lights out awesome, head and shoulders above the two we had (Frye/Anderson). otherwise i feared Charlie or whoever would be just good enough to continue this never-ending circle of suck.
and yet here we are.
either both these guys are better than i think or this city has a serious curse on it.
there's really only one option as i see it: having faith in Mangini & Co.
what say let's see what these guys can accomplish with our full support. here's to 8-8 **cheers**
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@medicineman said:
it seems to me you guys just want Quinn. That is just retarted. I just want wins. DA gave us 10 wins back in 2007 and you cant say nothing about that? And I dont want to hear we were playn shitty teams. They were NFL teams you assholes. You same Retards cry about lummy liken DA when you are the same way with Quinn. And for the record I dont want Quinn or Anderson on the team. Im just wondering if Quinn does get shipped how many of you boners will be gone to? So come on and quote everything I just wrote because I cant wait to get into it with you so line em up you used condomsTomorrow is a school day. Does Mommy know that you're up past your night-night time using her computer?
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@medicineman said:
it seems to me you guys just want Quinn. That is just retarted. I just want wins. DA gave us 10 wins back in 2007 and you cant say nothing about that? And I dont want to hear we were playn shitty teams. They were NFL teams you assholes. You same Retards cry about lummy liken DA when you are the same way with Quinn. And for the record I dont want Quinn or Anderson on the team. Im just wondering if Quinn does get shipped how many of you boners will be gone to? So come on and quote everything I just wrote because I cant wait to get into it with you so line em up you used condomsGood read.
Who needs King Kaufman, Chuck Klosterman or even Bill Simmons when you have medicineman?
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@medicineman said:
That is just retarted.Post of the year.
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@medicineman said:
it seems to me you guys just want Quinn. That is just retarted. I just want wins. DA gave us 10 wins back in 2007 and you cant say nothing about that? And I dont want to hear we were playn shitty teams. They were NFL teams you assholes. You same Retards cry about lummy liken DA when you are the same way with Quinn. And for the record I dont want Quinn or Anderson on the team. Im just wondering if Quinn does get shipped how many of you boners will be gone to? So come on and quote everything I just wrote because I cant wait to get into it with you so line em up you used condomsYou want us to cry about winning 10 games?
How about this one?
He handed wins 11, 12 and 13 to Oakland, Arizona and Cincitucki on silver platter or we would have been in the playoffs.
Hell if he would have done better than a Goofy's "Aw shucks, at least it wasn't 5 picks!" then we'd all be hailing him as a savior not a one year wonder.
And maybe we all wouldn't be so hard on the guy if Lummy hadn't antagonized the living hell out of all of us by calling us Quinn fags any time we said anything that could have possibly been considered negative.
I'll admit most of my animosity towards Drive Assasin comes from being attacked by Lums every time I pointed out one of DA's faults.
As a matter of fact, I wasn't sold on Quinn before we drafted him and still am not sure, but before we trade or let walk away a 1st round pick I want to see if the kid can cut the mustard or not.
3 seasons until our new head coach, let's hope they get it right this time. -
@medicineman said:
it seems to me you guys just want Quinn. That is just retarted. I just want wins. DA gave us 10 wins back in 2007 and you cant say nothing about that?Well someone already pointed out the games DA threw away (literally). I also guess Winslow, BE, and JJ getting laid out left and right to make plays on bad throws in each and every one of those wins had nothing to do with it.
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@medicineman said:
it seems to me you guys just want Quinn. That is just retarted. I just want wins. DA gave us 10 wins back in 2007 and you cant say nothing about that?Well someone already pointed out the games DA threw away (literally). I also guess Winslow, BE, and JJ getting laid out left and right to make plays on bad throws in each and every one of those wins had nothing to do with it.
Masters said:
Well someone already pointed out the games DA threw away (literally). I also guess Winslow, BE, and JJ getting laid out left and right to make plays on bad throws in each and every one of those wins had nothing to do with it.The guy is just a troll....don't even feed it. Just hit the ignore button and have some real football discussion.
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@medicineman said:
I really love getting people a little angry. You should read what I wrote on one of the Shitburgh boards im on. I swear they have no class at all.Don't confuse class with stupidity . Unfortunately you are stupid and may find it difficult to discern the diff .
Go away troll
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@inspecta said:
So, any guesses on who medicineman really is? He just smacks of somebody's puppet.He spells like he goes to college at Oregon State so if I had to take a stab at it - it's one of Loverboy's pledges who also answers to "Plays-with-self."
I'm seeing some outrageous names from that campus. What's the other one? "Drunkandstupid" which of course is code for Honor Roll.
And just when it couldn't get any more outrageous - I saw Horseballs was lurking in this thread practicing his reading pace for Evelyn Woodhead.
- Tom F.
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@medicineman said:
it seems to me you guys just want Quinn. That is just retarted. I just want wins. DA gave us 10 wins back in 2007 and you cant say nothing about that? And I dont want to hear we were playn shitty teams. They were NFL teams you assholes. You same Retards cry about lummy liken DA when you are the same way with Quinn. And for the record I dont want Quinn or Anderson on the team. Im just wondering if Quinn does get shipped how many of you boners will be gone to? So come on and quote everything I just wrote because I cant wait to get into it with you so line em up you used condomsYou want us to cry about winning 10 games?
How about this one?
He handed wins 11, 12 and 13 to Oakland, Arizona and Cincitucki on silver platter or we would have been in the playoffs.
Hell if he would have done better than a Goofy's "Aw shucks, at least it wasn't 5 picks!" then we'd all be hailing him as a savior not a one year wonder.
And maybe we all wouldn't be so hard on the guy if Lummy hadn't antagonized the living hell out of all of us by calling us Quinn fags any time we said anything that could have possibly been considered negative.
I'll admit most of my animosity towards Drive Assasin comes from being attacked by Lums every time I pointed out one of DA's faults.
As a matter of fact, I wasn't sold on Quinn before we drafted him and still am not sure, but before we trade or let walk away a 1st round pick I want to see if the kid can cut the mustard or not.
You want us to cry about winning 10 games?
How about this one?
He handed wins 11, 12 and 13 to Oakland, Arizona and Cincitucki on silver platter or we would have been in the playoffs.
Hell if he would have done better than a Goofy's "Aw shucks, at least it wasn't 5 picks!" then we'd all be hailing him as a savior not a one year wonder.
And maybe we all wouldn't be so hard on the guy if Lummy hadn't antagonized the living hell out of all of us by calling us Quinn fags any time we said anything that could have possibly been considered negative.
I'll admit most of my animosity towards Drive Assasin comes from being attacked by Lums every time I pointed out one of DA's faults.
As a matter of fact, I wasn't sold on Quinn before we drafted him and still am not sure, but before we trade or let walk away a 1st round pick I want to see if the kid can cut the mustard or not.
I'll give you the Cincy game, but Arizona and Oakland were aided GREATLY by the Browns' lack of defense.
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You want us to cry about winning 10 games?
How about this one?
He handed wins 11, 12 and 13 to Oakland, Arizona and Cincitucki on silver platter or we would have been in the playoffs.
Hell if he would have done better than a Goofy's "Aw shucks, at least it wasn't 5 picks!" then we'd all be hailing him as a savior not a one year wonder.
And maybe we all wouldn't be so hard on the guy if Lummy hadn't antagonized the living hell out of all of us by calling us Quinn fags any time we said anything that could have possibly been considered negative.
I'll admit most of my animosity towards Drive Assasin comes from being attacked by Lums every time I pointed out one of DA's faults.
As a matter of fact, I wasn't sold on Quinn before we drafted him and still am not sure, but before we trade or let walk away a 1st round pick I want to see if the kid can cut the mustard or not.
I'll give you the Cincy game, but Arizona and Oakland were aided GREATLY by the Browns' lack of defense.
I'll give you the Cincy game, but Arizona and Oakland were aided GREATLY by the Browns' lack of defense.
How many points did the defense give up as a direct result of boat shoes turnovers?
Tough to blame the defense when the QB is turning the ball over.
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Folks,
You have my word. If Derek Anderson is STILL starting here after our 8th game - I will show up to a tailgate party dressed in baby diapers and pink Spandex with a pacifier in my mouth for all to see.
DA isn't another Walt Disney story working it's way toward another happily ever after. I don't care if Loverboy has his Lancelot armour on or not. This isn't Camelot either even though the word on the street is Loverboy came-a-lot.
Do any Frat boys out West have the grapefruits to reciprocate my challenge? Don't tell me Tonya Harding has more testicles than the entire Beaver Nation.
- Tom F.
Folks,
You have my word. If Derek Anderson is STILL starting here after our 8th game - I will show up to a tailgate party dressed in baby diapers and pink Spandex with a pacifier in my mouth for all to see.
Fluge's - if it come to this, I'll have to buy tickets just to witness this........
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Hard to blame the defense entirely when you're giving those teams starting field position in field goal range.
Hard to blame the defense entirely when you're giving those teams starting field position in field goal range.
I'm getting tired of having to go check out the play by play...
Oakland Game: Oakland's second half scores came off an 11 play 85 yard drive and a 17 play 80 yard drive.
Arizona Game: Arizona's second half scores came off a 22 yard drive following a J. Cribs fumble, a 40 yard drive following a 59 yard return (and it wasn't an intercepted pass return), and an 80 yard 11 play drive.
DA was moving the ball, the other teams, not necessarily known for their power offenses that season, just outscored him.
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@medicineman said:
Boy oh boy the grammer police are here. When you cant find nothing else you go after grammer. You really have no life do you? I bet your parents are proud of what a waste you are.Hopefully you were being sarcastic, otherwise you weren't helping yourself. Grammar. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Hard to blame the defense entirely when you're giving those teams starting field position in field goal range.
I'm getting tired of having to go check out the play by play...
Oakland Game: Oakland's second half scores came off an 11 play 85 yard drive and a 17 play 80 yard drive.
Arizona Game: Arizona's second half scores came off a 22 yard drive following a J. Cribs fumble, a 40 yard drive following a 59 yard return (and it wasn't an intercepted pass return), and an 80 yard 11 play drive.
DA was moving the ball, the other teams, not necessarily known for their power offenses that season, just outscored him.
I'm getting tired of having to go check out the play by play...
Oakland Game: Oakland's second half scores came off an 11 play 85 yard drive and a 17 play 80 yard drive.
Arizona Game: Arizona's second half scores came off a 22 yard drive following a J. Cribs fumble, a 40 yard drive following a 59 yard return (and it wasn't an intercepted pass return), and an 80 yard 11 play drive.
DA was moving the ball, the other teams, not necessarily known for their power offenses that season, just outscored him.
You're tired? I am tired of you OR fans not being able to read and not watching the games.
OAK Game: Why do you gloss over DA's back to back second quarter INTs that led to a FGs? Or his numerous streaks of incomplete passes and penalties because he can't get the line lined up?
ARZ: Why do you gloss over DA's pick 6 on his first drive of the game? I won't even mention that he threw a second pick to the same guy who took the first one to the house.
Yeah, ARZ isn't known for their offense, even in 2007
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@medicineman said:
Flugle huh. Boy over 400 posts. Yes I stand by my posts when I said You hve no life.Well don't let me interrupt your precious time between text messaging and the 50 replies you've already added to this thread while you show the rest of us how to live life. If it's gonna take you more than 1 post to say something that easy then why don't you leave this conversation to the adults? I'm sure you've already watched all the Miley Cyrus re-runs. Lucky us!
It doesn't take more than 1 post to say we've seen all 26 auditions of DA getting worse with experience. He's awful. For the record, if we would have drafted ANY QB in round 1 (while exhanging round 1 in 08 and another pick on day 1 in 07) - we would have HOPED that guy was worthy of the commitment. If a team is going to DECIDE to commit to a young man like that - then that same team beter PLAY the guy or people aren't going to understand why they're watching the next Todd Philcox going Dr Kevorkian on our passing game.
Once you can handle that, maybe you can conceptualize that we got DA for the price of an open bag of stale potato chips and a can of Walmart soda. If that's not enough, we had your dream boy out on the open market and 31 other teams INCLUDING the Detroit Lions said "GET REAL!"
You and your frat boys keep turning this into EVERYBODY loves Quinn. Do me a favor and show me which person on this message board DRAFTED Quinn. If DA went Brian Sipe on the shores of Lake Erie - history shows us the Browns get rid of the 1st round alternative with a 2 thumbs up from every fan. The problem is, while Sipe got better as time went on - DA has fermented. In addition, the 1st round alternative (Phipps) was allowed to step on the stage for enough assessment before committing to Sipe. That hasn't happened with Quinn vrs Dumb Ass.
- Tom F.
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