#1 vs. #2
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In my estimation the #1s had the better player in 23 years, the #2 in 14 seasons with 6 up for grabs and 3 too soon to tell.
Give your opinion on the up for grabs....or if you disagree with me on any of these.
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In time, Luck vs RG3 might get close to Manning vs Leaf, but not completely there. RG3 at least had *a* productive year before flaming out (and subsequently ending in cleveland apparently)
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In time, Luck vs RG3 might get close to Manning vs Leaf, but not completely there. RG3 at least had *a* productive year before flaming out (and subsequently ending in cleveland apparently)
In time, Luck vs RG3 might get close to Manning vs Leaf, but not completely there. RG3 at least had *a* productive year before flaming out (and subsequently ending in cleveland apparently)
That can never happen. RG3 already has a Pro Bowl appearance. His PFR CA is at 32. Leaf's PFR CA was a 1.
The biggest disparities between 1 and 2 in regard to Production,using the CA is:
Peyton 177 vs. Leaf 1: 176 points
Carson Palmer 100 vs. Charles Rogers 4: 96
Lawrence Taylor 137 vs. George Rogers 46: 91 Taylor the #2
Bruce Smith 148 vs. Bill Fralic 58 90
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Yeah, sure, I specifically said it won't match.
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Not counting the last 3 years, the closest Race between 1 and 2 players in terms of PFR production average are the following:
1978 Earl Campbell 68 pts. Art Still 73 5 pt differential
In this case I gave the edge to Campbell...even though he had fewer CA points.....as Earl did make the HOF...
1979 Cousineau 36 pts Mike Bell 45 ... 9 points different
1982 Ken Sims 32 pts vs. Johnnie Cooks 40 pt ....8 pt different
1991 Russell Maryland 60 pts, E-Rock 52 8 pt different
1987 Vinny Testaverde 97 pts vs. Cornelius Bennet 90 pts. 7 pt difference
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In time, Luck vs RG3 might get close to Manning vs Leaf, but not completely there. RG3 at least had *a* productive year before flaming out (and subsequently ending in cleveland apparently)
In time, Luck vs RG3 might get close to Manning vs Leaf, but not completely there. RG3 at least had *a* productive year before flaming out (and subsequently ending in cleveland apparently)
I don't know if I'd call Luck a world beater as of yet, either.
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I don't know if I'd call Luck a world beater as of yet, either.
Oddly enough....to date Luck has a 45 PFR CA....where Griffin is at 32 pts. Not as big of a difference as you would expect.
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I don't know if I'd call Luck a world beater as of yet, either.
Oddly enough....to date Luck has a 45 PFR CA....where Griffin is at 32 pts. Not as big of a difference as you would expect.
Oddly enough....to date Luck has a 45 PFR CA....where Griffin is at 32 pts. Not as big of a difference as you would expect.
Right, I think that story is yet to be written. Luck has had some troubles so far, as has Griffin. Sure, Luck is still the better choice, but it's not as clear cut as it could have been.
Plus, we all know RG3 is going to come to Cleveland and throw for 700 TDs and 5 INT's over the next 10 years.
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Oddly enough....to date Luck has a 45 PFR CA....where Griffin is at 32 pts. Not as big of a difference as you would expect.
Right, I think that story is yet to be written. Luck has had some troubles so far, as has Griffin. Sure, Luck is still the better choice, but it's not as clear cut as it could have been.
Plus, we all know RG3 is going to come to Cleveland and throw for 700 TDs and 5 INT's over the next 10 years.
Right, I think that story is yet to be written. Luck has had some troubles so far, as has Griffin. Sure, Luck is still the better choice, but it's not as clear cut as it could have been.
Plus, we all know RG3 is going to come to Cleveland and throw for 700 TDs and 5 INT's over the next 10 years.
Ah.....YES
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LOL at robert gallery
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Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
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Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
Fair point. That is why I said we may have another Elway/Dickerson situation that year. Both superb players. That is, after all, what one should expect from the #1 and #2 players taken in a draft.
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Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
Ah, no. About equal.
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Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
Ah, no. About equal.
I'd venture a bet that the Miller-less Broncos finish with a better record than a Cam-less Panthers.Ah, no. About equal.
Miller is an elite player on an otherwise talented defense.
Cam is more or less the glue that held the Panthers offense together.
Not downplaying the acheivements of Von, but Cam probably means more to the Panthers because, without him, they have almost nothing.
This is very similar to the notion that Peyton should have won MVP in 2011.Peyton's absence led that Colts team to a meltdown, therefore he was clearly their most valuable player.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Even though he's a QB, I'm not yet ready to rate Cam Newton over Von Miller...IMO it's at best a tie for Cam although both are fantastic players. Von was instrumental in his Team winning a Super Bowl...Cam was instrumental in his Team LOSING a Super Bowl.
We'll see.
Mike
Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
Yeah, it's just hard to argue who's the better one here. No clear winner at this time.
Mike
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Maybe, but Cam was also instrumental in getting his team to the Super Bowl...maybe more than Von.
Yeah, it's just hard to argue who's the better one here. No clear winner at this time.
Mike
Yeah, it's just hard to argue who's the better one here. No clear winner at this time.
Mike
Yeah, I think Miller is far better at his craft...but his position is (in a bubble) much less influential than Cam's.
We can all debate the subtle nuances and impact of each position until we're blue in the face, but in all honesty I would much rather have the fifth ranked QB (not Cam's rank, I just picked a number) than the number one ranked edge rusher.
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