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And not no one not no how knows this for certain...at all.
So why continue to post on these threads if you're going to keep repeating over and over, on every thread, that no one is capable of predicting success for a player who transitions from the college to pro games?
Annoying. Really.
People are here to discuss and give their opinions of who they think will be good pro players. That's the entire appeal of discussing the NFL draft.
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And not no one not no how knows this for certain...at all.
So why continue to post on these threads if you're going to keep repeating over and over, on every thread, that no one is capable of predicting success for a player who transitions from the college to pro games?
Annoying. Really.
People are here to discuss and give their opinions of who they think will be good pro players. That's the entire appeal of discussing the NFL draft.
So why continue to post on these threads if you're going to keep repeating over and over, on every thread, that no one is capable of predicting success for a player who transitions from the college to pro games?
Annoying. Really.
Sorry that the truth hurts.
People are here to discuss and give their opinions of who they think will be good pro players. That's the entire appeal of discussing the NFL draft.
I didn't say you shouldn't continue do it. I didn't say that I would not continue to do it. I am just telling the truth about the predictability of it all.
That is part of the frustration of it all for Browns fans. I had thought we would have had something going right with Quinn/Wimbley/Richardson/Weeden/Mingo/Manziel. All these guys I predicted somewhat success. All epic failures.
So now I go in the opposite direction: Wentz is gonna suck eggs. Goff is gonna suck swamp water. Ramsey is gonna suck lollipops. Jack isn't going to do jack.
And Bosa is the only one I think will be any good at all.
So, you know what's gonna happen. All these guys are gonna turn out great except Bosa.....and he is the guy the Browns will draft.
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So why continue to post on these threads if you're going to keep repeating over and over, on every thread, that no one is capable of predicting success for a player who transitions from the college to pro games?
Annoying. Really.
Sorry that the truth hurts.
People are here to discuss and give their opinions of who they think will be good pro players. That's the entire appeal of discussing the NFL draft.
I didn't say you shouldn't continue do it. I didn't say that I would not continue to do it. I am just telling the truth about the predictability of it all.
That is part of the frustration of it all for Browns fans. I had thought we would have had something going right with Quinn/Wimbley/Richardson/Weeden/Mingo/Manziel. All these guys I predicted somewhat success. All epic failures.
So now I go in the opposite direction: Wentz is gonna suck eggs. Goff is gonna suck swamp water. Ramsey is gonna suck lollipops. Jack isn't going to do jack.
And Bosa is the only one I think will be any good at all.
So, you know what's gonna happen. All these guys are gonna turn out great except Bosa.....and he is the guy the Browns will draft.
That is part of the frustration of it all for Browns fans. I had thought we would have had something going right with Quinn/Wimbley/Richardson/Weeden/Mingo/Manziel. All these guys I predicted somewhat success. All epic failures.
Not everyone's track record sucks as badly as yours, Gip.
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That is part of the frustration of it all for Browns fans. I had thought we would have had something going right with Quinn/Wimbley/Richardson/Weeden/Mingo/Manziel. All these guys I predicted somewhat success. All epic failures.
Not everyone's track record sucks as badly as yours, Gip.
Not everyone's track record sucks as badly as yours, Gip.
The Brown's track record is.
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The Brown's track record is.
So that means many of us are better evaluators of talent than both you and the Browns.
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The Brown's track record is.
So that means many of us are better evaluators of talent than both you and the Browns.
So that means many of us are better evaluators of talent than both you and the Browns.
No, not really. None of you have really done better at all.
Actually, looking back at it over the last like 5 years, here is where I stood:
2015. I was on the Danny Shelton train. Still am. And I was wanting one of the WRs Agholor or Perriman over Erving. But I knew that with Farmer picking nothing like that was happening.
2014. I was all over Khalil Mack. Or Sammy Watkins. I didn't want the trade down. With the second 1st round pick I went homer wanting Bradley Roby over JFF. It was all fun and hoopla getting Johnny....but, like I said, I was more hopeful it would work out than anything.
2013. I was thinking Dee Milliner over Mingo. Either way that would have turned out bad.
2012. I was OK with the TR pick. I like most others assumed he was the real deal. With the second pick I was on Whitney Mercilus...the local boy, or Nick Perry
2011. I was on the AJ Green bandwagon. The trade down out of that didn't bother me. (Hindsight for others said we should have just taken Julio Jones. Yea, that was hindsight). But when the trade down was made, I was hoping the Browns would take Cameron Heyward, not Phil Jackson. Again, probably an OSU/homer pick for me.
So that is where I stood on the evaluations. Overall, I could have probably done better than the Browns did.
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Browns having a private meeting with Paxton Lynch this week according to Grossi.
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So that means many of us are better evaluators of talent than both you and the Browns.
No, not really. None of you have really done better at all.
Actually, looking back at it over the last like 5 years, here is where I stood:
2015. I was on the Danny Shelton train. Still am. And I was wanting one of the WRs Agholor or Perriman over Erving. But I knew that with Farmer picking nothing like that was happening.
2014. I was all over Khalil Mack. Or Sammy Watkins. I didn't want the trade down. With the second 1st round pick I went homer wanting Bradley Roby over JFF. It was all fun and hoopla getting Johnny....but, like I said, I was more hopeful it would work out than anything.
2013. I was thinking Dee Milliner over Mingo. Either way that would have turned out bad.
2012. I was OK with the TR pick. I like most others assumed he was the real deal. With the second pick I was on Whitney Mercilus...the local boy, or Nick Perry
2011. I was on the AJ Green bandwagon. The trade down out of that didn't bother me. (Hindsight for others said we should have just taken Julio Jones. Yea, that was hindsight). But when the trade down was made, I was hoping the Browns would take Cameron Heyward, not Phil Jackson. Again, probably an OSU/homer pick for me.
So that is where I stood on the evaluations. Overall, I could have probably done better than the Browns did.
No, not really. None of you have really done better at all.
Actually, looking back at it over the last like 5 years, here is where I stood:
2015. I was on the Danny Shelton train. Still am. And I was wanting one of the WRs Agholor or Perriman over Erving. But I knew that with Farmer picking nothing like that was happening.
2014. I was all over Khalil Mack. Or Sammy Watkins. I didn't want the trade down. With the second 1st round pick I went homer wanting Bradley Roby over JFF. It was all fun and hoopla getting Johnny....but, like I said, I was more hopeful it would work out than anything.
2013. I was thinking Dee Milliner over Mingo. Either way that would have turned out bad.
2012. I was OK with the TR pick. I like most others assumed he was the real deal. With the second pick I was on Whitney Mercilus...the local boy, or Nick Perry
2011. I was on the AJ Green bandwagon. The trade down out of that didn't bother me. (Hindsight for others said we should have just taken Julio Jones. Yea, that was hindsight). But when the trade down was made, I was hoping the Browns would take Cameron Heyward, not Phil Jackson. Again, probably an OSU/homer pick for me.
So that is where I stood on the evaluations. Overall, I could have probably done better than the Browns did.
Got it, so we're better.
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Paxton Lynch met with Browns today
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Somebody must be getting kickbacks for ranking Paxton Lynch so high. He couldn't muster a touchdown against Auburn. Hopefully his stock falls before the Browns draft another Brady Quinn/Brandon Weeden.
They need help at so many posititions a QB as the first pick better be a HOME RUN!
Bosa, Elliot, Cardale
Hue went to Goff & Wentz's Pro Days, isn't going to Lynch. Tells me all I need to know.
Hue went to Goff & Wentz's Pro Days, isn't going to Lynch. Tells me all I need to know.
OK, Memphis has their Pro Day AFTER the Browns start workouts. Hue met up with Lynch. Fair enough.
I'll also assume they had a heavy presence at Ohio State's Pro Day. Bunch of those guys will get drafted.
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No, not really. None of you have really done better at all.
Actually, looking back at it over the last like 5 years, here is where I stood:
2015. I was on the Danny Shelton train. Still am. And I was wanting one of the WRs Agholor or Perriman over Erving. But I knew that with Farmer picking nothing like that was happening.
2014. I was all over Khalil Mack. Or Sammy Watkins. I didn't want the trade down. With the second 1st round pick I went homer wanting Bradley Roby over JFF. It was all fun and hoopla getting Johnny....but, like I said, I was more hopeful it would work out than anything.
2013. I was thinking Dee Milliner over Mingo. Either way that would have turned out bad.
2012. I was OK with the TR pick. I like most others assumed he was the real deal. With the second pick I was on Whitney Mercilus...the local boy, or Nick Perry
2011. I was on the AJ Green bandwagon. The trade down out of that didn't bother me. (Hindsight for others said we should have just taken Julio Jones. Yea, that was hindsight). But when the trade down was made, I was hoping the Browns would take Cameron Heyward, not Phil Jackson. Again, probably an OSU/homer pick for me.
So that is where I stood on the evaluations. Overall, I could have probably done better than the Browns did.
Got it, so we're better.
Got it, so we're better.
No. I suspect that if you went back and were honest about it, your picks would have been full of busts. But I don't expect you to be honest about it for self aggrandizement purposes.
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wanted to add watched enough of Wentz that he earned that "elite game manager" North Dakota St was 29-1 the 2 years before Wentz become starting qb and 20-3 with Wentz starting....elite defense and running attack. Wentz was barely ever called to carry the team on his shoulders..lot of 200 yard passing games in his career....actually 12 under 200
watching entire games don't see a great passer when moving or what especially bothers me when playing in tight games...hence a game manager
huge contrast between Goff or Lynch who had to carry their teams on their shoulders...and often did
Wentz is the perfect qb when you draw up arm/size/intelligence but comes in #3 when I add in competitiveness
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Hogan needs to be 6 spots higher
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wanted to add watched enough of Wentz that he earned that "elite game manager" North Dakota St was 29-1 the 2 years before Wentz become starting qb and 20-3 with Wentz starting....elite defense and running attack. Wentz was barely ever called to carry the team on his shoulders..lot of 200 yard passing games in his career....actually 12 under 200
watching entire games don't see a great passer when moving or what especially bothers me when playing in tight games...hence a game manager
huge contrast between Goff or Lynch who had to carry their teams on their shoulders...and often did
Wentz is the perfect qb when you draw up arm/size/intelligence but comes in #3 when I add in competitiveness
wanted to add watched enough of Wentz that he earned that "elite game manager" North Dakota St was 29-1 the 2 years before Wentz become starting qb and 20-3 with Wentz starting....elite defense and running attack. Wentz was barely ever called to carry the team on his shoulders..lot of 200 yard passing games in his career....actually 12 under 200
watching entire games don't see a great passer when moving or what especially bothers me when playing in tight games...hence a game manager
huge contrast between Goff or Lynch who had to carry their teams on their shoulders...and often did
Wentz is the perfect qb when you draw up arm/size/intelligence but comes in #3 when I add in competitiveness
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Sorry, but your conclusion is based on the amount of yards passing...and false conclusions. That stat involves a lot
more than what you are taking it for. There's yds rushing, passing offense, or more running based. Involves quality and strengths
of defenses faces vs the offense talent...
If you listen to Wentz's head coach - you are way wrong. I heard him say so himself, that they just gave
Wentz the reins at the los. He called his own plays and protections.
Not sure if Goff ever did that, or Lynch. Bad conclusion.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/04/08/north-dakota-state-coach-carson-wentz/
"Nearly five years later, Mattern tells the story in his office, seated in front of a team championship banner. "Without him," he says, pointing at Wentz, "we don't have this"."
...didn't carry the team on his shoulders....WHAT???
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29-1 before Wentz 20-3 with Wentz= (elite)game manager
kept it simple didn't make mistakes and allowed the d and the running to do the heavy lifting...like Wentz have him #5 overall in this draft...just like Goff and Lynch more
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Okay.... it's just crazy, this draft. Who knows. But I have Wentz as absolutely the
#1 qb in this draft.
Goff at #2 of course.
Lynch needs a lot of coaching and experience before
he is ready to be an NFL starter.
Here's a terrific write up on all three. Goff with the spread offense, was allowed
to change plays, don't know if he ever called protections or not. Wentz
ran with the pro style offense and called his own everything often,
and Lynch didn't call much on his own, in a spread offense...
1a. *Wentz*
1b. Wentz
2. Goff
3. Lynch - won't be ready to start for an entire year. Amazing raw talent, though.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch
4. Everybody else
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29-1 before Wentz 20-3 with Wentz= (elite)game manager
kept it simple didn't make mistakes and allowed the d and the running to do the heavy lifting...like Wentz have him #5 overall in this draft...just like Goff and Lynch more
One QB had full control of his offense at the LOS, calling 100% of his protections, hot routes and a completely open audible playbook. Which QB was it?29-1 before Wentz 20-3 with Wentz= (elite)game manager
kept it simple didn't make mistakes and allowed the d and the running to do the heavy lifting...like Wentz have him #5 overall in this draft...just like Goff and Lynch more
Hint: it wasn't Jared Goff.
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One QB had full control of his offense at the LOS, calling 100% of his protections, hot routes and a completely open audible playbook. Which QB was it?29-1 before Wentz 20-3 with Wentz= (elite)game manager
kept it simple didn't make mistakes and allowed the d and the running to do the heavy lifting...like Wentz have him #5 overall in this draft...just like Goff and Lynch more
Hint: it wasn't Jared Goff.
One QB had full control of his offense at the LOS, calling 100% of his protections, hot routes and a completely open audible playbook. Which QB was it?
Hint: it wasn't Jared Goff.
which QB called running plays and easy check downs..hint it also wasn't Goff
watch 2/3 entire games..and I mean entire games. you will see what I mean about Wentz being a game manager not a player who carries his team on his back
lot of easy victories....saw the same thing with Sam Bradford(another elite game manager) at Oklahoma. Wentz reminds me of Bradford. Just not 4th quarter QB's.
to another poster Lynch could easily start in 2016....Manning threw 28 int his rookie year and Cleveland ain't winning the Super Bowl this year. any avg IQ person can learn a NFL playbook..ask Elway, Marino and Bradshaw. Don't make it out to be anything special.....
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One QB had full control of his offense at the LOS, calling 100% of his protections, hot routes and a completely open audible playbook. Which QB was it?
Hint: it wasn't Jared Goff.
which QB called running plays and easy check downs..hint it also wasn't Goff
watch 2/3 entire games..and I mean entire games. you will see what I mean about Wentz being a game manager not a player who carries his team on his back
lot of easy victories....saw the same thing with Sam Bradford(another elite game manager) at Oklahoma. Wentz reminds me of Bradford. Just not 4th quarter QB's.
to another poster Lynch could easily start in 2016....Manning threw 28 int his rookie year and Cleveland ain't winning the Super Bowl this year. any avg IQ person can learn a NFL playbook..ask Elway, Marino and Bradshaw. Don't make it out to be anything special.....
which QB called running plays and easy check downs..hint it also wasn't Goff
watch 2/3 entire games..and I mean entire games. you will see what I mean about Wentz being a game manager not a player who carries his team on his back
lot of easy victories....saw the same thing with Sam Bradford(another elite game manager) at Oklahoma. Wentz reminds me of Bradford. Just not 4th quarter QB's.
to another poster Lynch could easily start in 2016....Manning threw 28 int his rookie year and Cleveland ain't winning the Super Bowl this year. any avg IQ person can learn a NFL playbook..ask Elway, Marino and Bradshaw. Don't make it out to be anything special.....
Goff couldn't have called those things, because he doesn't know how to. I'd rather take a QB that calls his own plays and isn't benefitting from being in a high-percentage offense.
I think watching 20+ years of bad Cleveland football has blinded some fans on what an actual decent QB looks like. Now we're at the point where QB's who have full control of their entire offense pre-snap and successfully audible into the right plays are considered "game managers". That's some of the dumbest shit I've heard.
Tom Brady is a hell of a game manager.
And before you get started - I've watched every collegiate snap of every QB in this draft multiple times, with the exception of some late round guys.
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