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  • OldBrownsFan OldBrownsFanO
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    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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    It is more like only a third of the electorate have supported Trump thus far with two thirds voting for others. The map favors Trump in a few weeks in the north east but then it goes back and forth for a while until California which will probably make or break it. It will be interesting to see how Kasich does in Pennsylvania and the north east where he might even beat Cruz but that doesn't hurt Cruz as much as it hurts Trump and in fact will help Cruz by holding down delegates Trump would probably get if Kasich was not in the race.

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      It is more like only a third of the electorate have supported Trump thus far with two thirds voting for others. The map favors Trump in a few weeks in the north east but then it goes back and forth for a while until California which will probably make or break it. It will be interesting to see how Kasich does in Pennsylvania and the north east where he might even beat Cruz but that doesn't hurt Cruz as much as it hurts Trump and in fact will help Cruz by holding down delegates Trump would probably get if Kasich was not in the race.

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      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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      @oldbrownsfan said:

      It is more like only a third of the electorate have supported Trump thus far with two thirds voting for others.

      Ok, if Trump was running by himself then that would mean he'd get nearly 100% of the vote so everybody likes him then right? Since if he gets 40% that means 60% hate him and would never vote for him.

      Similar to the thought policing manipulation polls that you have fallen for, like:

      - 1 on 1 Trump beats Kasich easily

      - 1 on 1 Cruz beats Kasich easily

      - 1 on 1 Kasich beats Clinton by far, but the others lose.

      Trump is currently getting more democrats and independents by far than Cruz and Kasich, so I don't buy any of the arguments that defend the manipulation polls.

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        @oldbrownsfan said:

        It is more like only a third of the electorate have supported Trump thus far with two thirds voting for others.

        Ok, if Trump was running by himself then that would mean he'd get nearly 100% of the vote so everybody likes him then right? Since if he gets 40% that means 60% hate him and would never vote for him.

        Similar to the thought policing manipulation polls that you have fallen for, like:

        - 1 on 1 Trump beats Kasich easily

        - 1 on 1 Cruz beats Kasich easily

        - 1 on 1 Kasich beats Clinton by far, but the others lose.

        Trump is currently getting more democrats and independents by far than Cruz and Kasich, so I don't buy any of the arguments that defend the manipulation polls.

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        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        @bbedward said:

        Ok, if Trump was running by himself then that would mean he'd get nearly 100% of the vote so everybody likes him then right? Since if he gets 40% that means 60% hate him and would never vote for him.

        Similar to the thought policing manipulation polls that you have fallen for, like:

        - 1 on 1 Trump beats Kasich easily

        - 1 on 1 Cruz beats Kasich easily

        - 1 on 1 Kasich beats Clinton by far, but the others lose.

        Trump is currently getting more democrats and independents by far than Cruz and Kasich, so I don't buy any of the arguments that defend the manipulation polls.

        You have to distinguish between the primary and the general election. Winning the primary is one thing and winning in the general election is something entirely different. There is a reason why candidates go to the right in republican primaries and the democrats go to the left and after the primaries they both run to the center because that is the bulk of the electorate in the general election. Right now those voters have decided Trump is too extreme and want somebody more moderate. They also have found Cruz too extreme but by a lesser extent. Both Cruz and Trump are losing to Clinton in the general with Trump losing by a lot more.

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          @bbedward said:

          Ok, if Trump was running by himself then that would mean he'd get nearly 100% of the vote so everybody likes him then right? Since if he gets 40% that means 60% hate him and would never vote for him.

          Similar to the thought policing manipulation polls that you have fallen for, like:

          - 1 on 1 Trump beats Kasich easily

          - 1 on 1 Cruz beats Kasich easily

          - 1 on 1 Kasich beats Clinton by far, but the others lose.

          Trump is currently getting more democrats and independents by far than Cruz and Kasich, so I don't buy any of the arguments that defend the manipulation polls.

          You have to distinguish between the primary and the general election. Winning the primary is one thing and winning in the general election is something entirely different. There is a reason why candidates go to the right in republican primaries and the democrats go to the left and after the primaries they both run to the center because that is the bulk of the electorate in the general election. Right now those voters have decided Trump is too extreme and want somebody more moderate. They also have found Cruz too extreme but by a lesser extent. Both Cruz and Trump are losing to Clinton in the general with Trump losing by a lot more.

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          bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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          @oldbrownsfan said:

          You have to distinguish between the primary and the general election. Winning the primary is one thing and winning in the general election is something entirely different. There is a reason why candidates go to the right in republican primaries and the democrats go to the left and after the primaries they both run to the center because that is the bulk of the electorate in the general election. Right now those voters have decided Trump is too extreme and want somebody more moderate. They also have found Cruz too extreme but by a lesser extent. Both Cruz and Trump are losing to Clinton in the general with Trump losing by a lot more.

          Reagan was getting blown out by Carter in general election polls at this point.

          They are irrelevant.

          Trump has the biggest support base of new voters, independents, and democrats. If Trump gets snubbed, they all stay home or vote for the other side.

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            @oldbrownsfan said:

            You have to distinguish between the primary and the general election. Winning the primary is one thing and winning in the general election is something entirely different. There is a reason why candidates go to the right in republican primaries and the democrats go to the left and after the primaries they both run to the center because that is the bulk of the electorate in the general election. Right now those voters have decided Trump is too extreme and want somebody more moderate. They also have found Cruz too extreme but by a lesser extent. Both Cruz and Trump are losing to Clinton in the general with Trump losing by a lot more.

            Reagan was getting blown out by Carter in general election polls at this point.

            They are irrelevant.

            Trump has the biggest support base of new voters, independents, and democrats. If Trump gets snubbed, they all stay home or vote for the other side.

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            @bbedward said:

            Reagan was getting blown out by Carter in general election polls at this point.

            They are irrelevant.

            Trump has the biggest support base of new voters, independents, and democrats. If Trump gets snubbed, they all stay home or vote for the other side.

            When the polls show Trump losing badly to Clinton in November that is including all the new voters you are claiming. They obviously are not enough not to mention all the new voters on the democrat side who oppose Trump. I hear the whining all the time from the Trumpbots how it has to be Trump or nothing or they are going to stay home. Then stay home and give the election to Clinton. I will vote for Trump over Clinton but there are a whole lot more conservatives who will not vote for Trump and play the same game you are playing. I either get my way or I take my ball and bat and go home.

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              @bbedward said:

              Reagan was getting blown out by Carter in general election polls at this point.

              They are irrelevant.

              Trump has the biggest support base of new voters, independents, and democrats. If Trump gets snubbed, they all stay home or vote for the other side.

              When the polls show Trump losing badly to Clinton in November that is including all the new voters you are claiming. They obviously are not enough not to mention all the new voters on the democrat side who oppose Trump. I hear the whining all the time from the Trumpbots how it has to be Trump or nothing or they are going to stay home. Then stay home and give the election to Clinton. I will vote for Trump over Clinton but there are a whole lot more conservatives who will not vote for Trump and play the same game you are playing. I either get my way or I take my ball and bat and go home.

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              bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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              @oldbrownsfan said:

              When the polls show Trump losing badly to Clinton in November that is including all the new voters you are claiming. They obviously are not enough not to mention all the new voters on the democrat side who oppose Trump. I hear the whining all the time from the Trumpbots how it has to be Trump or nothing or they are going to stay home. Then stay home and give the election to Clinton. I will vote for Trump over Clinton but there are a whole lot more conservatives who will not vote for Trump and play the same game you are playing. I either get my way or I take my ball and bat and go home.

              If you're trying to convince me than the MSM general elections polls from Jan/Feb/March/April show Cruz has a chance at winning the general election it's not going to work.

              I'm actually politically informed and I have very good, solid reasons I'd vote for Clinton over Cruz. Despite his terrible policies, he's also just as dishonest as Clinton. Voting Clinton > Cruz is a no brainer for me.

              FWIW If Trump gets 50% + 1 in NY then Cruz is mathematically eliminated from the race.

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                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                Cruz in the White House scares the hell out of me.

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                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                  When the polls show Trump losing badly to Clinton in November that is including all the new voters you are claiming. They obviously are not enough not to mention all the new voters on the democrat side who oppose Trump. I hear the whining all the time from the Trumpbots how it has to be Trump or nothing or they are going to stay home. Then stay home and give the election to Clinton. I will vote for Trump over Clinton but there are a whole lot more conservatives who will not vote for Trump and play the same game you are playing. I either get my way or I take my ball and bat and go home.

                  If you're trying to convince me than the MSM general elections polls from Jan/Feb/March/April show Cruz has a chance at winning the general election it's not going to work.

                  I'm actually politically informed and I have very good, solid reasons I'd vote for Clinton over Cruz. Despite his terrible policies, he's also just as dishonest as Clinton. Voting Clinton > Cruz is a no brainer for me.

                  FWIW If Trump gets 50% + 1 in NY then Cruz is mathematically eliminated from the race.

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                  OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                  @bbedward said:

                  If you're trying to convince me than the MSM general elections polls from Jan/Feb/March/April show Cruz has a chance at winning the general election it's not going to work.

                  I'm actually politically informed and I have very good, solid reasons I'd vote for Clinton over Cruz. Despite his terrible policies, he's also just as dishonest as Clinton. Voting Clinton > Cruz is a no brainer for me.

                  FWIW If Trump gets 50% + 1 in NY then Cruz is mathematically eliminated from the race.

                  Just telling you the polling facts. Up to now Cruz has polled much better against Clinton than Trump. The only thing that matters in the convention is a candidate having 1237 delegates period. Not 1235, not 1236. As long as Trump does not have 1237 nobody has been eliminated.

                  Polls: Cruz better against Hillary than Trump

                  http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/polls-cruz-better-against-hillary-than-trump-657662531756

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                    @bbedward said:

                    If you're trying to convince me than the MSM general elections polls from Jan/Feb/March/April show Cruz has a chance at winning the general election it's not going to work.

                    I'm actually politically informed and I have very good, solid reasons I'd vote for Clinton over Cruz. Despite his terrible policies, he's also just as dishonest as Clinton. Voting Clinton > Cruz is a no brainer for me.

                    FWIW If Trump gets 50% + 1 in NY then Cruz is mathematically eliminated from the race.

                    Just telling you the polling facts. Up to now Cruz has polled much better against Clinton than Trump. The only thing that matters in the convention is a candidate having 1237 delegates period. Not 1235, not 1236. As long as Trump does not have 1237 nobody has been eliminated.

                    Polls: Cruz better against Hillary than Trump

                    http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/polls-cruz-better-against-hillary-than-trump-657662531756

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                    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                    Just telling you the polling facts. Up to now Cruz has polled much better against Clinton than Trump. The only thing that matters in the convention is a candidate having 1237 delegate period. Not 1235, not 1236. As long as Trump does not have 1237 nobody has been eliminated.

                    If trump gets 1235 or 1236 he has the nomination.

                    He will get a good amount of unpledged first ballot delegates, especially if he's that close.

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                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                      Just telling you the polling facts. Up to now Cruz has polled much better against Clinton than Trump. The only thing that matters in the convention is a candidate having 1237 delegate period. Not 1235, not 1236. As long as Trump does not have 1237 nobody has been eliminated.

                      If trump gets 1235 or 1236 he has the nomination.

                      He will get a good amount of unpledged first ballot delegates, especially if he's that close.

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                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                      @bbedward said:

                      If trump gets 1235 or 1236 he has the nomination.

                      He will get a good amount of unpledged first ballot delegates, especially if he's that close.

                      My guess is that if Trump gets close enough he probably would get it on the first ballot . If it goes to a second ballot all bets are off. There are hundreds of delegates also from other candidates like Rubio and Kasich and a lot depends on who they release those to.

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                        Cruz be crazy. Kasich is living a pipe dream. Trump 2016. If they go against who the people want (voted for in the majority) they will lose.

                        Except the people haven't voted for him in the majority. Normally it's in the 30-40% range, with cruz not very far behind. Meaning, the majority of people don't want Trump (also don't want Cruz). This is why an alternative vote system would work well in primaries - I'm guessing most people who voted Cruz were voting 'anyone but trump' while most people who voted trump were voting 'trump please'.

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                        @gftchris said:

                        Except the people haven't voted for him in the majority. Normally it's in the 30-40% range, with cruz not very far behind. Meaning, the majority of people don't want Trump (also don't want Cruz). This is why an alternative vote system would work well in primaries - I'm guessing most people who voted Cruz were voting 'anyone but trump' while most people who voted trump were voting 'trump please'.

                        I'm talking republicans here brit. He has won more states, more votes then any other candidate, so the vast majority of people have voted for him.

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                          It troubles me that he is shooting himself in the foot a few times, and that

                          vote can change if a lot more folks are turned off by his mistakes and big,

                          childish statements.

                          There comes a point where someone who misled badly, is found out,

                          and the delegates are hearing a lot of legit reasons to change their

                          vote to someone who did not.

                          IF that is the case with Trump, so be it. The delegates need to find someone

                          real, that also has a ton of support.

                          I just don't know.

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                            AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by Axe
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                            The detailed breakdown I saw last night of the remaining states showed that no one has a realistic chance of getting to 1237 so honestly? I have no idea who the nominee will be..

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                              bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                @bbedward said:

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                                That Ted Cruz is being portrayed as the lesser of two evils says as much as anything about the state of the republican party.

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                                  Oh, I prefer Cruz over Trump now. Bank on it, Trump's entertaining

                                  bluster has hit several speed bumps.

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                                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                    The republican party is going all out on a smear campaign against hillary, relying on 'but he's a socialist' to be the automatic game winner against bernie. I mean, this popped on my feed (yes I subscribe to both dems and reps, you get both sides then):

                                    https://gop.com/bernies-radical-anti-energy-agenda-is-now-hillarys/

                                    Basic premise is, look at all of these positions where hillary has flip-flopped to take Bernie's side, while bernie has stayed the same throughout!

                                    Except, the reps are inadvertently painting bernie as someone who is reliable and principled. I tell you, if bernie wins, this could all backfire on them.

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                                      You need to start watching Fox news or something.

                                      There is NO SMEAR of the higgardly slut. All anybody has to do

                                      is just tell the truth about "her".

                                      I think she's actually an alien escaped from Area 51.

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                                        Call it smear or not, the reps are going all out to attack hillary, baseless or not, and either assuming bernie won't get the nom, or will be a pushover.

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                                          Cruz in the White House scares the hell out of me.

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                                          @logicisforsquares said:

                                          Cruz in the White House scares the hell out of me.

                                          +1

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