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  • Good point. I'm not saying Goff is a bust qb like Brady Quinn.

    Maybe It's like Goff is more like Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn

    in their lack of maturity and leadership. It's just a gut feeling when

    I watch them interview. Wentz is brilliant, and a people magnet,

    and his teammates love him.

    just that the college won/loss improvement records don't mean much when

    I'm thinkin qb for the NFL.

    Tour had jawflappies - wrongo, Touro. On the simple point of "improved his teams

    won/loss record over his college career"... It was kinda relevant.

    I don't see Goff as being an inspiration on or off the field - nowhere near Wentz, maybe that is what it is.

    I just don't see him as my pick for the face of a franchise.

    It isn't just me - I have "trusting my gut" questions about Goff's maturity/personality/leadership...but

    check it out:

    http://sportsnaut.com/2016/03/report-jared-goff-made-bad-impression-on-browns-during-combine-interview/

    I see Wentz as a lot like Aaron Rodgers on and off the field. I see Goff, the best pure passer, as a lot like Jimmy Clausen

    on and off the field. Leadership/maturity - lacking. Wentz gets a Five Star rating in that.

  • Just what we need.....a Brady Quinn/Jimmy Clausen clone. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

  • Interest post Osiris........ This draft will be a fun one, and unlike the last 20+ years, I hope it's a productive one too.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @calfoxwc said:

    Remember, though, that the Browns say analytics is just one part of the eval process.

    I suppose analytics might have said Brady Quinn was the guy at that time.

    One part, but when that part says two very different things about the two top prospects at a position pulling a Brady Quinn example out of your ass is a poor rebuttal.

    Ramsey seems like an odd alternative to me... no matter what roster moves have been made.

    @tour2ma said:

    One part, but when that part says two very different things about the two top prospects at a position pulling a Brady Quinn example out of your ass is a poor rebuttal.

    Ramsey seems like an odd alternative to me... no matter what roster moves have been made.

    If we take Ramsey- he better be Patrick Peterson- Dion Sanders good.

    My whim of the day says Goff- let the Niners jump us and take Wentz. Or if they take Goff, I'm OK with Wentz. I'm NOT cool with a trade down.

  • I'm with Larry -- no trade down. Take the QB. Either one. And I'm probably Ramsey's biggest fan here.

    This year's Football Outsiders QB projections absolutely love California's Jared Goff, who now ranks among the top 10 QB prospects of the past two decades according to QBASE. It is a lot less excited about Carson Wentz, but that comes with a bit of a caveat: we had to try to incorporate FCS prospects into the system in order to project Wentz, and the same method would have underrated FCS prospect Joe Flacco. We'll write more about the Wentz and FCS issue in an expanded FO version of QBASE to run next week.

    Interesting to see what the QBASE study says about Wentz this week.

    Anyone have insider who can send me both?

    OsirisO 1 Reply

  • I also liked this quote from McManamon's piece on the study, because I do like Prescott a lot:

    The best of the rest: Dak Prescott of Mississippi State. He rates ahead of Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg. The study did not look atCardale Jones of Ohio State, probably because he did not play enough.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    I also liked this quote from McManamon's piece on the study, because I do like Prescott a lot:

    The best of the rest: Dak Prescott of Mississippi State. He rates ahead of Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg. The study did not look atCardale Jones of Ohio State, probably because he did not play enough.

    @mike-h said:

    I also liked this quote from McManamon's piece on the study, because I do like Prescott a lot:

    I'm betting the Broncos take him.

  • I just looked at the article. It wasn't too favorable to Prescott, and it is really down on Cook, Hack and Lynch

  • I really want the Browns to take Goff, I'm been on the Goff train since the offseason began. With that being said, having watched a good bit of FSU football the past few years Ramsey is a superstar in the making who would likely step in day one and be a starter. This team needs players at literally every position and as long as they fill holes with this draft it won't be a bust.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    I'm with Larry -- no trade down. Take the QB. Either one. And I'm probably Ramsey's biggest fan here.

    This year's Football Outsiders QB projections absolutely love California's Jared Goff, who now ranks among the top 10 QB prospects of the past two decades according to QBASE. It is a lot less excited about Carson Wentz, but that comes with a bit of a caveat: we had to try to incorporate FCS prospects into the system in order to project Wentz, and the same method would have underrated FCS prospect Joe Flacco. We'll write more about the Wentz and FCS issue in an expanded FO version of QBASE to run next week.

    Interesting to see what the QBASE study says about Wentz this week.

    Anyone have insider who can send me both?

    @mike-h said:

    I'm with Larry -- no trade down. Take the QB. Either one. And I'm probably Ramsey's biggest fan here.

    Interesting to see what the QBASE study says about Wentz this week.

    Anyone have insider who can send me both?

    p

    QBASE has him ranked very poorly.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta

  • I'd like to know what the data on RGIII is from the Healey study.

  • Trade down if you can stay in the top 8 or so and you get a lot to do it. If not, take Ramsey

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • What I want to happen: draft Goff

    What I think will happen: trade down if there is a favorable deal presented.

    I'm ready for the draft already...

  • I'm all in on Goff, still. The QB we've been searching for for 17 years is on the board - can't pass on him.

    👍

  • "Trade Down" presumes that an offer exists. The problem with this year's draft is that nobody in the top8 stands above the others like a Luck.

    I don't support trading down.. because the trade down statement ASSUMES that the pick in round1 would be in the top8.. and I don't think any team in those slots is interested in shoveling more picks towards Cleveland to get a player that wouldn't be demonstrably better than the one they're already going to select.

    The only team stupid enough to do that would have been the Dolphins.. and they traded their slot already.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • The problem with this year's draft is that nobody in the top8 stands above the others like a Luck.

    Depends on perspective though. People like Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack and Bosa are very good and I'm sure a team will fall in love with at least one of them.

  • Didn't ask if they'll fall in love. Teams can compose as many sonnets in iambic pentameter as they want.. until they make a concrete offer with picks to make that jump, it's just as good as not liking the player at all.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown

  • And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    @gftchris said:

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    gftChrisG darren15D 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    @the-gipper said:

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    And tennessee. And the lions.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
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