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  • I just looked at the article. It wasn't too favorable to Prescott, and it is really down on Cook, Hack and Lynch

  • I really want the Browns to take Goff, I'm been on the Goff train since the offseason began. With that being said, having watched a good bit of FSU football the past few years Ramsey is a superstar in the making who would likely step in day one and be a starter. This team needs players at literally every position and as long as they fill holes with this draft it won't be a bust.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    I'm with Larry -- no trade down. Take the QB. Either one. And I'm probably Ramsey's biggest fan here.

    This year's Football Outsiders QB projections absolutely love California's Jared Goff, who now ranks among the top 10 QB prospects of the past two decades according to QBASE. It is a lot less excited about Carson Wentz, but that comes with a bit of a caveat: we had to try to incorporate FCS prospects into the system in order to project Wentz, and the same method would have underrated FCS prospect Joe Flacco. We'll write more about the Wentz and FCS issue in an expanded FO version of QBASE to run next week.

    Interesting to see what the QBASE study says about Wentz this week.

    Anyone have insider who can send me both?

    @mike-h said:

    I'm with Larry -- no trade down. Take the QB. Either one. And I'm probably Ramsey's biggest fan here.

    Interesting to see what the QBASE study says about Wentz this week.

    Anyone have insider who can send me both?

    p

    QBASE has him ranked very poorly.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta

  • I'd like to know what the data on RGIII is from the Healey study.

  • Trade down if you can stay in the top 8 or so and you get a lot to do it. If not, take Ramsey

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • What I want to happen: draft Goff

    What I think will happen: trade down if there is a favorable deal presented.

    I'm ready for the draft already...

  • I'm all in on Goff, still. The QB we've been searching for for 17 years is on the board - can't pass on him.

    👍

  • "Trade Down" presumes that an offer exists. The problem with this year's draft is that nobody in the top8 stands above the others like a Luck.

    I don't support trading down.. because the trade down statement ASSUMES that the pick in round1 would be in the top8.. and I don't think any team in those slots is interested in shoveling more picks towards Cleveland to get a player that wouldn't be demonstrably better than the one they're already going to select.

    The only team stupid enough to do that would have been the Dolphins.. and they traded their slot already.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • The problem with this year's draft is that nobody in the top8 stands above the others like a Luck.

    Depends on perspective though. People like Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack and Bosa are very good and I'm sure a team will fall in love with at least one of them.

  • Didn't ask if they'll fall in love. Teams can compose as many sonnets in iambic pentameter as they want.. until they make a concrete offer with picks to make that jump, it's just as good as not liking the player at all.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown

  • And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    @gftchris said:

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    gftChrisG darren15D 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    @the-gipper said:

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    And tennessee. And the lions.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    And there will be no concrete offers until about 5 minutes in to the draft. Might be preliminary discussions now, but nobody's going to draft up while the prospect of their guy not being there exists.

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    @the-gipper said:

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    Lets hire Costner for the day 🙂

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-gipper said:

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    And tennessee. And the lions.

    @gftchris said:

    And tennessee. And the lions.

    The pancakes? or the rookie?

  • darren15D darren15

    @the-gipper said:

    Right, we need some pancake eating motherfucker to make a deal with.

    Or, a nervous rookie GM......Oh wait....that would be us.

    Lets hire Costner for the day 🙂

    @darren15 said:

    Lets hire Costner for the day 🙂

    It would be funny....to have him in and to at least make the initial calls to the other GMs about trade inquiries. It would have the other GMs freaking out and maybe get them off their game.

    Anything to get an advantage.

  • Shame Aunt Jermima isn't a GM

  • This same study for 2015 ranks Griffin 5th and prime target for a QB needy team.

  • So....

    Did you lube up?

    Is the wrong question?

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I think we go QB first, I think Hue wants a young QB to shape and build around. Just a hunch, though.

    @gftchris said:

    I think we go QB first, I think Hue wants a young QB to shape and build around. Just a hunch, though.

    I wouldn't be so sure just because that hasn't been his modus operandi so far.

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