Winslow now highest-paid tight end in NFL history.

Lumbergh

@kellen-rulez said:
Hell jhea nugga. Pay the man. You Brownies are gonna eat crow, you watch.

Hey Freddie, do you know the man personally?

choco

lolz.....

yup......

y'all got a deal....

kellen rulez

@lumbergh said:
Hey Freddie, do you know the man personally?

Awww yeah baby. Real personally.

He's in your picture.

Tobalaz

Good for Tampa, they get to eat that bonus as soon as K2's knee finishes falling apart.

DeadWombat

Inspecta, Lumberg, do I have to send you to opposite corners of the room?

This isn't even a QB thread. We're supposed to be talking about how idiotic generous Tampa is with K2's paycheck.

plumcrazy73

@kellen-rulez said:
Hell jhea nugga. Pay the man. You Brownies are gonna eat crow, you watch.

First off the Browns made a business decision, they got something for him while they could. They came out ahead, they are not worried about what he does from here out. They are worried about his replacement.

So are the Browns going to laugh if he does not make it till say next year? NO they are running a business. They weigh the risks and rewards lose on some win on others.

A great coach once said don't worry about who you passed up and how they do in the NFL, worry about how the ones that you do sign does in the NFL. or something to that effect.(don't remember who)

kellen rulez

@plumcrazy73 said:
First off the Browns made a business decision, they got something for him while they could. They came out ahead, they are not worried about what he does from here out. They are worried about his replacement.
So are the Browns going to laugh if he does not make it till say next year? NO they are running a business. They weigh the risks and rewards lose on some win on others.

A great coach once said don't worry about who you passed up and how they do in the NFL, worry about how the ones that you do sign does in the NFL. or something to that effect.(don't remember who)

You're the aforementioned Brownies! If I was addressing your front office the message would have been sent elsewhere.

As far as them coming out ahead, didn't the previous Butch Davis regime trade about 3 picks to move up one spot to get him? Pretty desperate, and no way they came close to breaking even. Not after they lost two whole years of production from him. The time is now. Hahaha!

choco

@kellen-rulez said:
You're the aforementioned Brownies! If I was addressing your front office the message would have been sent elsewhere.
As far as them coming out ahead, didn't the previous Butch Davis regime trade about 3 picks to move up one spot to get him? Pretty desperate, and no way they came close to breaking even. Not after they lost two whole years of production from him. The time is now. Hahaha!

so how does our past coaches mistake somehow make the amount paid to Winslow now.....after we've aready ran him into the ground.....not ridiculous. you gave 20 million to a kid that gonna cut and run with it after a season.

im still trying to grip your angle here.......we made a mistake taking this kid.....he ruined himself thru stupidity, so we let him go. you're infinitely superior FO then gives him what he wants, despite the fact he's a broken down old mule.....and you think coming in here bragging about it is gonna chafe our collective ass?

you're stupider than i initially gave you credit for. good luck finding a QB that can get him the ball.....

ClevelandFanForLife

will kellen rulez become for kellen winslow what lumbergh has become for da? only time will tell...

but seriously, kellen rulez might be like 12 years old.

choco

post like a big boy, get treated like one.

kellen rulez

@choco said:
so how does our past coaches mistake somehow make the amount paid to Winslow now.....after we've aready ran him into the ground.....not ridiculous. you gave 20 million to a kid that gonna cut and run with it after a season.
im still trying to grip your angle here.......we made a mistake taking this kid.....he ruined himself thru stupidity, so we let him go. you're infinitely superior FO then gives him what he wants, despite the fact he's a broken down old mule.....and you think coming in here bragging about it is gonna chafe our collective ass?

you're stupider than i initially gave you credit for. good luck finding a QB that can get him the ball.....

I fly no Tampa colors, just the rainbow variety.

I feel Kellen will produce more than any of you sour grapes Brownies are giving him credit for.

And, you assume more than I initially gave you credit for.

Wanna put him up against Royals in a little bet for '09?

choco

im not on here sucking royals dick......so whats your point? e-penis not big enough?

i think i'll just leave the rest of your post alone. your making this too easy....and not fun.

Gips

I think kw2s knees will hold out long enough to make mankok look like idiots to browns fans but hold on folks they arent done cleaning the pantry of our best stuff and giving it away cheap while replacing those goods with expired white label junk..

plumcrazy73

You do realize that most Browns fans loved KW it is just he is damaged goods and not worth the risk of giving him the size of contract that he was going to want if we had kept him and had to redo his contract during contract talks. It is not that we did not or do not like him, just it is a risk versus reward thing.

"As far as them coming out ahead, didn't the previous Butch Davis regime trade about 3 picks to move up one spot to get him? Pretty desperate, and no way they came close to breaking even. Not after they lost two whole years of production from him. The time is now. Hahaha!"

So what does not matter what they gave up to get him. The fact remains giving him a big contract with so much guarenteed money is way more risky then just trading him getting something in return from him while he still can get value, How much value would he have if he got hurt this year and was done. Or we keep him, he does really good, then we reward him with the contract that he wants then he gets hurt. RISK VS REWARD nothing personal.

Personally he could have been one of the best TE's ever had he not gotten injured, then gotten stupid

Vegasdogg

@lumbergh said:
neither you nor Flugel know what anybody's doing,

@lumbergh said:
NFL coaches seem to agree with me.

Pot. This is kettle. You're black.

Dude you don't seem to realize that nobody wants DA. There is not talk of any teams wanting him over Quinn. All of the football talk on all of the sites, radio stations, and NFL TV shows speak to teams wanting Quinn. Not DA.

Damn you're just too dense.

Vegasdogg

@kellen-rulez said:
Pretty desperate, and no way they came close to breaking even.

You could say that about the Bucs now.

Tony Gonzales

Jason Witten

Antonio Gates

Owen Daniels

Dallas Clark

Kellen Winslow

Of these top TE's, what has their team done in the playoffs? Besides Dallas Clark, absolutely nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Having a player like Winslow is a luxury, something the Bucs don't have.

As far as them coming out ahead, didn't the previous Butch Davis regime trade about 3 picks to move up one spot to get him? Pretty desperate, and no way they came close to breaking even

Are you fooking seriously pulling out that card? This from a team who gave Two 1sts and Two 2nds for a coach they just fired? Yeah, don't think they came out ahead on that trade, and they still haven't recovered from that stupidity.

Riffer X

@vegasdogg said:
Pot. This is kettle. You're black.
Dude you don't seem to realize that nobody wants DA. There is not talk of any teams wanting him over Quinn. All of the football talk on all of the sites, radio stations, and NFL TV shows speak to teams wanting Quinn. Not DA.

Damn you're just too dense.

Lum is proving to be a pretty dumb motherfooker, and I gotta say I'm a little disappointed.

Total toolpouch stupidity that boy is. Kinda Pittsburgese actually.

SiperBowl

@inspecta said:
He actually did during that game, it was the only time in his life Lumbergh honestly looked at Anderson and saw the inferior QB we all see, that afternoon he actually called for him to be benched.
As you can see that moment of clarity quickly faded....

It was the Evil monkey in Lumbergh closet that made him do it!

Timugen

@inspecta said:
He actually did during that game, it was the only time in his life Lumbergh honestly looked at Anderson and saw the inferior QB we all see, that afternoon he actually called for him to be benched.
As you can see that moment of clarity quickly faded....

I still think there was a substitute hand in the puppet that day.

kellen rulez

@plumcrazy73 said:
You do realize that most Browns fans loved KW it is just he is damaged goods and not worth the risk of giving him the size of contract that he was going to want if we had kept him and had to redo his contract during contract talks. It is not that we did not or do not like him, just it is a risk versus reward thing.

Well you guys sure have a funny way of showing it.

So what does not matter what they gave up to get him.

It matters because you are the one who said they broke even. To help illustrate the point, if he were a Steeler I wonder if their front office would feel they "broke even". There's no hiding you're a Browns fan, that much is clear. It's seriously infected your brain.

The fact remains giving him a big contract with so much guarenteed money is way more risky then just trading him getting something in return from him while he still can get value, How much value would he have if he got hurt this year and was done. Or we keep him, he does really good, then we reward him with the contract that he wants then he gets hurt. RISK VS REWARD nothing personal.

He still had what? Two years left? My point is that he's about to pay off those couple years he owed you with elite, top 5 TE play in the prime of his career and the new regime sent him packing, for waaaay less than they spent. Way less. Add in the two years he sat rehabbing and the fact is Kellen got over on the Stains in a big way. He could have finished out his contract in Cleveland, right? When you spent $15 bucks on a tube of toothpaste you make certain you roll the tube all the way from the bottom. Guess they've just got money to burn up there in Ohio. They better draft a HOF'er with that 2nd pick to come within a mile of even having this conversation.