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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Or...has Obamao made the us so shitty that even Mexico looks better by comparison?

    Sure. You actually believe that?

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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    @gftchris said:

    Sure. You actually believe that?

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

    "The views Mexicans have of life north of the border are changing too. While almost half (48%) of adults in Mexico believe life is better in the U.S., a growing share says it is neither better nor worse than life in Mexico.Today, a third (33%) of adults in Mexico say those who move to the U.S. lead a life that is equivalent to that in Mexico – a share 10 percentage points higher than in 2007."

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      @the-cysko-kid said:

      Or...has Obamao made the us so shitty that even Mexico looks better by comparison?

      Sure. You actually believe that?

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      @gftchris said:

      Sure. You actually believe that?

      I thought the Obamao would be a dead giveaway.

      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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        T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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        I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

        Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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          T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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          Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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            Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            @the-cysko-kid said:

            Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

            You would think that there would be some synergy there for sure.

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              Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              @the-cysko-kid said:

              Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

              Indeed. But you can't get some politicians to lay off the rhetoric long enough to appeal to hispanic voters. Nearly all hispanic people I have met/worked with have been devoutly Catholic and not afraid of hard work.

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              • T The Cysko Kid

                I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

                I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

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                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                  I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

                  I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

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                  T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                  I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

                  You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

                    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

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                    @the-cysko-kid said:

                    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

                    Just a few days ago I had a nice conversation with a young engineer from India who pretty much agrees with that sentiment. His father is a cardiologist and he and his wife are all now citizens. It was something of a pain in the ass jumping through hoops but he did it. He really doesn't like the idea people just jumping the fence and being handed citizenship without earning it. I agree with him.

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                      @the-cysko-kid said:

                      You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

                      Just a few days ago I had a nice conversation with a young engineer from India who pretty much agrees with that sentiment. His father is a cardiologist and he and his wife are all now citizens. It was something of a pain in the ass jumping through hoops but he did it. He really doesn't like the idea people just jumping the fence and being handed citizenship without earning it. I agree with him.

                      WSS

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      @westside-steve said:

                      Just a few days ago I had a nice conversation with a young engineer from India who pretty much agrees with that sentiment. His father is a cardiologist and he and his wife are all now citizens. It was something of a pain in the ass jumping through hoops but he did it. He really doesn't like the idea people just jumping the fence and being handed citizenship without earning it. I agree with him.

                      WSS

                      I have several coworkers who are from all over the world. They share this opinion. A coworker's husband is from Ireland and he joked that at one point he was going to just fly to Mexico and hop the border.

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                        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                        the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

                        Sometimes, legitimately,

                        sometimes, deceitfully.

                        us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

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                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                          us-immigration-growth-graph.gif

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                            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                            US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_U

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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                              and, then there's the warnings, and contradictory graph about ObaMao:

                              http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/02/daily-chart-5

                              20140208_gdc296.png

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                                C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                grew dramatically under Clinton and Bush...

                                leveled off dramatically under ObaMao. and now,

                                ObaMao has ordered illegals to be released and not

                                held when captured.

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                                • C calfoxwc

                                  the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

                                  Sometimes, legitimately,

                                  sometimes, deceitfully.

                                  us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

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                                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

                                  Sometimes, legitimately,

                                  sometimes, deceitfully.

                                  us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

                                  This only goes up to 2010, so in fact the highest figure there is basically from George W Bush.

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                                    US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_U

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                                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_U

                                    So from 2001 to 2009 it went up from 2.7% to 3.5%.

                                    From 2009 to 2014 it went from 3.5% to 3.5%

                                    So this is definitely evidence of out of control illegal immigration because of Obama?

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                                      and, then there's the warnings, and contradictory graph about ObaMao:

                                      http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/02/daily-chart-5

                                      20140208_gdc296.png

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      and, then there's the warnings, and contradictory graph about ObaMao:

                                      http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/02/daily-chart-5

                                      20140208_gdc296.png

                                      So, under Obama, every year in that chart there have been at least as many 'removals' as any other year.

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                                      • C calfoxwc

                                        the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

                                        Sometimes, legitimately,

                                        sometimes, deceitfully.

                                        us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

                                        Sometimes, legitimately,

                                        sometimes, deceitfully

                                        Yup.

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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

                                          You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

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                                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                                          You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

                                          I agree but you can make that point and not be so inflammatory about it to Hispanics. I want to see the border secured and there are many legal Hispanic immigrants who would probably support it as well. Trump's silly talk about having a deportation squad that will round up millions of illegal immigrants (not even realistically possible) and some other needless inflammatory things he said against Hispanics is the reason 77 percent of Hispanics say they will not vote for Trump.

                                          Again i find it ironic that Trump would criticize Romney for losing the election for being too tough on immigration and then Trump saying and doing some of the things he has that have been much worse than Romney ever said.

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