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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Or...has Obamao made the us so shitty that even Mexico looks better by comparison?

    Sure. You actually believe that?

    @gftchris said:

    Sure. You actually believe that?

    I thought the Obamao would be a dead giveaway.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    OldBrownsFanO 1 Reply

  • Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    gftChrisG LogicIsForSquaresL 2 Replies
  • T The Cysko Kid

    Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

    You would think that there would be some synergy there for sure.

  • T The Cysko Kid

    Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Hard working, religious family oriented people with pride. I think they could easily be converted to republicans if certain loudmouths could lay off the racism.

    Indeed. But you can't get some politicians to lay off the rhetoric long enough to appeal to hispanic voters. Nearly all hispanic people I have met/worked with have been devoutly Catholic and not afraid of hard work.

    DieHardBrownsFanD 1 Reply
  • T The Cysko Kid

    I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    T bbedwardB 2 Replies
  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    W OldBrownsFanO 2 Replies
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

    Just a few days ago I had a nice conversation with a young engineer from India who pretty much agrees with that sentiment. His father is a cardiologist and he and his wife are all now citizens. It was something of a pain in the ass jumping through hoops but he did it. He really doesn't like the idea people just jumping the fence and being handed citizenship without earning it. I agree with him.

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  • W Westside Steve

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

    Just a few days ago I had a nice conversation with a young engineer from India who pretty much agrees with that sentiment. His father is a cardiologist and he and his wife are all now citizens. It was something of a pain in the ass jumping through hoops but he did it. He really doesn't like the idea people just jumping the fence and being handed citizenship without earning it. I agree with him.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Just a few days ago I had a nice conversation with a young engineer from India who pretty much agrees with that sentiment. His father is a cardiologist and he and his wife are all now citizens. It was something of a pain in the ass jumping through hoops but he did it. He really doesn't like the idea people just jumping the fence and being handed citizenship without earning it. I agree with him.

    WSS

    I have several coworkers who are from all over the world. They share this opinion. A coworker's husband is from Ireland and he joked that at one point he was going to just fly to Mexico and hop the border.

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  • the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

    Sometimes, legitimately,

    sometimes, deceitfully.

    us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

    gftChrisG 2 Replies

  • us-immigration-growth-graph.gif

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply

  • US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_U

    gftChrisG 1 Reply

  • and, then there's the warnings, and contradictory graph about ObaMao:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/02/daily-chart-5

    20140208_gdc296.png

    gftChrisG MLD WoodyM 2 Replies

  • grew dramatically under Clinton and Bush...

    leveled off dramatically under ObaMao. and now,

    ObaMao has ordered illegals to be released and not

    held when captured.

  • C calfoxwc

    the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

    Sometimes, legitimately,

    sometimes, deceitfully.

    us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

    @calfoxwc said:

    the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

    Sometimes, legitimately,

    sometimes, deceitfully.

    us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

    This only goes up to 2010, so in fact the highest figure there is basically from George W Bush.

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • C calfoxwc

    US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_U

    @calfoxwc said:

    US_population_compared_to_immigrant_in_U

    So from 2001 to 2009 it went up from 2.7% to 3.5%.

    From 2009 to 2014 it went from 3.5% to 3.5%

    So this is definitely evidence of out of control illegal immigration because of Obama?

  • C calfoxwc

    and, then there's the warnings, and contradictory graph about ObaMao:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/02/daily-chart-5

    20140208_gdc296.png

    @calfoxwc said:

    and, then there's the warnings, and contradictory graph about ObaMao:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/02/daily-chart-5

    20140208_gdc296.png

    So, under Obama, every year in that chart there have been at least as many 'removals' as any other year.

  • C calfoxwc

    the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

    Sometimes, legitimately,

    sometimes, deceitfully.

    us-immigration-growth-chart.gif

    @calfoxwc said:

    the trouble is, you can get data to reflect information the way you want it to.

    Sometimes, legitimately,

    sometimes, deceitfully

    Yup.

  • T The Cysko Kid

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You can be a friend to immigration and an enemy to illegal immigration. Asking people to play by the rules isn't despicable. It's commendable.

    I agree but you can make that point and not be so inflammatory about it to Hispanics. I want to see the border secured and there are many legal Hispanic immigrants who would probably support it as well. Trump's silly talk about having a deportation squad that will round up millions of illegal immigrants (not even realistically possible) and some other needless inflammatory things he said against Hispanics is the reason 77 percent of Hispanics say they will not vote for Trump.

    Again i find it ironic that Trump would criticize Romney for losing the election for being too tough on immigration and then Trump saying and doing some of the things he has that have been much worse than Romney ever said.

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I've long said that I think republicans ought to be heavily investing in recruiting Latino and mexican allies. Their basic values are very similar.

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I think that was the plan until Trump. What is ironic is that Trump actually told Romney he lost the election because he was "too harsh on immigration". Trump has single handedly offended about every demographic group it would take to win a general election. The GOP had been working hard to get the Hispanic vote as they will be the deciding voters of the future.

    The GOP was never going to get the majority hispanic, black, millenial vote - doesn't matter who they put up there.

    Not that Trump is racist, it's just how it works - lower-middle working class people have been voting democrat for years, and the black/hispanic demographics have a much higher poverty rate (pushing 25-30%) compared to everybody else (black is #1 and hispanic is #2 in terms of poverty rate)

    The GOP needs to get lower working class and union people to vote for them - it has little to do with black/hispanic, more to do with income.

    You would think they'd get behind Trump, who is the first GOP candidate since Reagan to actually get indpendent/democrat union and working class people to vote for him and endorse him - as you would see if you interviewed some of the tens of thousands of people that go and see him at his rallies. The guy has the potential to expand the GOP big time, if you use the record turnout numbers and crossover votes he has gotten as evidence.

    But they'd rather lose in November onward instead of having somebody like Trump come in and disrupt their little cake party.

    Illegal immigrants can't vote, hispanics who came here legally should support Trump's plans on immigration at least in part. It can also be argued that restricting illegal border crossings is better from a humanitarian perspective, where many girls are sexually assaulted and such - or people die in the desert.

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