It would be stupid to take a QB
-
well if rg3 shits the bed (which he will sooner or later) and we didn't draft a top tier QB this year (wentz or goff and that's where that line is drawn) hue jackson will look like the biggest bafoon outside of adam schefter. god knows haslam is a patient man and jackson has all the time in the world to build a contender.
well if rg3 shits the bed (which he will sooner or later) and we didn't draft a top tier QB this year (wentz or goff and that's where that line is drawn) hue jackson will look like the biggest bafoon outside of adam schefter. god knows haslam is a patient man and jackson has all the time in the world to build a contender.
As I see it, we would probably be no worse off. We missed on David Carr/Joey Harrington/Christian Ponder/Jamarcus Russell/Blaine Gabbert/Jake Locker/Vince Young/Mark Sanchez/....and we can miss on these guys too. There are a few more we should have missed on as well......JMZ/Weeden/Quinn.
-
-
yep and next year's draft is chock full of franchise guys.
Fair point I guess....take a look at the 2017 QBs. (these I think are all seniors....apparently no junior eligibles listed:
Chad Kelly QB 1 Ole Miss Jr 6-2 215
C.J. Beathard QB 2 Iowa rJr 6-2 209
Joshua Dobbs QB 3 Tennessee Jr 6-3 212
Seth Russell
QB 4 Baylor rJr 6-2 220Mitch Leidner QB 5 Minnesota rJr 6-4 236
Jeremy Johnson QB 6 Auburn Jr 6-5 240
Gunner Kiel QB 7 Cincinnati rJr 6-4 208
Nick Mullens QB 8 Southern Mississippi Jr 6-1 196
Baker Mayfield QB 9 Oklahoma rJr 6-0 209
Brady Gustafson QB 10 Montana rJr 6-6 235
Tyler O'Connor QB 11 Michigan State rJr 6-3 222
Thomas Sirk
QB 12 Duke rJr 6-3 215Wes Lunt QB 13 Illinois rJr 6-4 225
Cooper Rush QB 14 Central Michigan rJr 6-3 220
Dakota Prukop QB 15 Oregon rJr 6-1 200
Trevor Knight QB 16 Texas A&M rJr 6-1 207
Patrick Towles QB 17 Boston College rJr 6-4 240
Sefo Liufau
QB 18 Colorado Jr 6-3 240Greyson Lambert QB 19 Georgia rJr 6-4 220
Matt Johns QB 20 Virginia rJr 6-5 210
-
Here is something that would not break my heart: If the Browns never drafted a QB.......if they got their QBs always from the "Secondary market". Veteran free agents.....or trades for a QB.
As I documented some weeks ago, nearly half of all the Super Bowl QBs did not play in that game with the QB that drafted them, so maybe the Browns should go with that philosophy.
I guess this approach is a result of being gun shy after all the bad choices they have made at that positions the last 20+ years.
(and yes, you can go back to Eric Zeier).
Otto Graham was not drafted by the Browns. Frank Ryan was not drafted by the Browns. Bill Nelsen was not drafted by the Browns. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick....would have been a UDFA this day and age. Kosar was a supplemental pick. Vinny Testaverde was not drafted by the Browns.
Some of our half ass decent post 1999 QBs were not drafted by the Browns: Kelly Holcomb, Derek Anderson, Campbell, Hoyer, McCown.
Picking up a QB with high draft picks has been torture for Browns fans. Getting semi-proven young veterans would not be the worst modus operandi.
Yea....make Ghoolie happy. At least the Browns have had some success drafting OL. The last 4 we have taken in the first round before Erving were: Alex Mack, Joe Thomas, Jeff Faine, Steve Everitt. All good to outstanding players.
So? WTF...Draft Tunsil?
-
well if it's not a QB and you are doing a total rebuild then yes, tunsil. the first building block of every football team.
-
Don't forget we still pay some guy named McCown - and he's better than both EFG and SomeDraftableRookie. Pasztor is a good swing guard - not a starter, those should be Greco/Bito. Greco played C for a few games and stunk royally. We can get a RT in round3 and be just fine.
I hope we don't trade down even though we need picks. The QB needs 2,3 yrs to learn.. next year should be the trade down..
-
Don't forget we still pay some guy named McCown - and he's better than both EFG and SomeDraftableRookie. Pasztor is a good swing guard - not a starter, those should be Greco/Bito. Greco played C for a few games and stunk royally. We can get a RT in round3 and be just fine.
I hope we don't trade down even though we need picks. The QB needs 2,3 yrs to learn.. next year should be the trade down..
Greco played C for a few games and stunk royally. We can get a RT in round3 and be just fine.
True, but circumstantial... the key factor was McQuistan back-filled for Greco... or rather took up space at RG.
-
VesnaKociper said:
I think it would be fucking stupid to take a Quarterback when the team has no quarterback. Who the fuck needs a Quarterback? Seriously, the Browns have not had a Quarterback and it has not stopped them from having great success at 3 - 13.
Who the fuck needs a QB? Seriously?
I'm not saying we don't need a quarterback, but we shouldn't take one this year. None of these guys have confirmed talent, and if we do take one of them, he won't have the team around him to succeed. We have two at least competent guys under center for now, we need to take the BPA so that when we do take a quarterback in the coming years, he doesn't get absolutely fucking mauled
-
VesnaKociper said:
I think it would be fucking stupid to take a Quarterback when the team has no quarterback. Who the fuck needs a Quarterback? Seriously, the Browns have not had a Quarterback and it has not stopped them from having great success at 3 - 13.
Who the fuck needs a QB? Seriously?
I'm not saying we don't need a quarterback, but we shouldn't take one this year. None of these guys have confirmed talent, and if we do take one of them, he won't have the team around him to succeed. We have two at least competent guys under center for now, we need to take the BPA so that when we do take a quarterback in the coming years, he doesn't get absolutely fucking mauled
I'm not saying we don't need a quarterback, but we shouldn't take one this year. None of these guys have confirmed talent, and if we do take one of them, he won't have the team around him to succeed. We have two at least competent guys under center for now, we need to take the BPA so that when we do take a quarterback in the coming years, he doesn't get absolutely fucking mauled
in the coming years? who and when will that be?
you have to understand (guessing you haven't been a browns fan for very long) that haslam isn't a patient guy. sure he might say he is when he spouts his bullshit when hiring a brand new staff after canning the previous one that he said he'd be patient with......that hue and staff better show something other than having a good season because of a soft schedule or they too will be out on their asses that they might want to address the most important position on the team early on in their careers here.
and drafting a QB at 22 or beyond just doesn't cut it.
i.e. paxton lynch is a bum.
-
well, the Browns COULD wait for oh, ten years or so, until the
top qb they could get, with the #1 pick, could fly like Superman,
do cool tricks with Batweapons, swim like Aquaman, and swing
from goalpost to goatpost with a spider web jobbie...
or maybe we didn't have the top pick, and had to settle for a
qb with an iron suit that gives him super "IT" powers....
I'd rather get the right qb, and I think that is Wentz if they don't trade down.
Back in spring 1998, there was uneasiness among NFL personnel people about not only if Manning ever would become more than just a solid starter but also if he were even the No. 1 quarterback in the draft.
It seems crazy now, but paranoia once ran deep in scouting circles when it came to quarterbacks, and for good reason.
In the 10 drafts before Manning of Tennessee was taken with the first overall choice one slot ahead of Washington State's Ryan Leaf, eight of the 14 quarterbacks selected in the first round turned out to be busts.
"Hell, yes, Manning's good, but his ball waffles all the time," the scout said. "I didn't like his ball velocity, either."
-
You draft the kid who is brilliant, very strong arm, extremely competitive,
excellent leadership, very, very athletic, who LOVES the game, thrives on
the challenge, throws a very nice ball....
his skills have it over Peyton Manning. Goff's profile sounds like Peyton Manning
a bit.
Wentz and Goff are far superior picks than Marriotta, and what's his name.. oh yeah, Winston.
and the last two went first and second overall.
I'm fine with a nice trade down extra picks biz, but if Wentz is there - you DRAFT him ("cough" or Goff, whoever
he is off the field....)
-
I'm not saying we don't need a quarterback, but we shouldn't take one this year. None of these guys have confirmed talent, and if we do take one of them, he won't have the team around him to succeed. We have two at least competent guys under center for now, we need to take the BPA so that when we do take a quarterback in the coming years, he doesn't get absolutely fucking mauled
in the coming years? who and when will that be?
you have to understand (guessing you haven't been a browns fan for very long) that haslam isn't a patient guy. sure he might say he is when he spouts his bullshit when hiring a brand new staff after canning the previous one that he said he'd be patient with......that hue and staff better show something other than having a good season because of a soft schedule or they too will be out on their asses that they might want to address the most important position on the team early on in their careers here.
and drafting a QB at 22 or beyond just doesn't cut it.
i.e. paxton lynch is a bum.
in the coming years? who and when will that be?
you have to understand (guessing you haven't been a browns fan for very long) that haslam isn't a patient guy. sure he might say he is when he spouts his bullshit when hiring a brand new staff after canning the previous one that he said he'd be patient with......that hue and staff better show something other than having a good season because of a soft schedule or they too will be out on their asses that they might want to address the most important position on the team early on in their careers here.
and drafting a QB at 22 or beyond just doesn't cut it.
i.e. paxton lynch is a bum.
Paxton Lynch could still get drafted in the Top Ten. The Browns FO may think that he is Top Ten worthy. Even if they don't....other teams may.
-
VesnaKociper said:
I think it would be fucking stupid to take a Quarterback when the team has no quarterback. Who the fuck needs a Quarterback? Seriously, the Browns have not had a Quarterback and it has not stopped them from having great success at 3 - 13.
Who the fuck needs a QB? Seriously?
Sashi Brown and Hue Jackson may think we DO have a QB in RGIII.
-
in the coming years? who and when will that be?
you have to understand (guessing you haven't been a browns fan for very long) that haslam isn't a patient guy. sure he might say he is when he spouts his bullshit when hiring a brand new staff after canning the previous one that he said he'd be patient with......that hue and staff better show something other than having a good season because of a soft schedule or they too will be out on their asses that they might want to address the most important position on the team early on in their careers here.
and drafting a QB at 22 or beyond just doesn't cut it.
i.e. paxton lynch is a bum.
Paxton Lynch could still get drafted in the Top Ten. The Browns FO may think that he is Top Ten worthy. Even if they don't....other teams may.
Paxton Lynch could still get drafted in the Top Ten. The Browns FO may think that he is Top Ten worthy. Even if they don't....other teams may.
If Ghoolie has gatecrashed the front office and landed a job we are taking Lynch
-
Paxton Lynch could still get drafted in the Top Ten. The Browns FO may think that he is Top Ten worthy. Even if they don't....other teams may.
If Ghoolie has gatecrashed the front office and landed a job we are taking Lynch
If Ghoolie has gatecrashed the front office and landed a job we are taking Lynch
Don't be at all surprised if that Philly deal is made and the Browns pick 8th that they go for Lynch.
-
-
-
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login