Bye to Edwards and Quinn? RUMOR
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I couldn't begin to explain how much comfort I get in knowing that none of you rumor mongers has any authority to make any decision of any kind on behalf of the Cleveland Browns.
Mangini and Kokinis are required to listen to all trade offers. Period. Just because they might be listening as expected, that doesn't mean anything.
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First off, hello to all my fellow BROWNS fans, nice to see a place like this. I just wanted to add my thoughts on the trade rumors. I for one totally think the rumors are real, to a certain extent. I just don't think Quinn will start next year, *sigh* I sure hope I'm wrong though. I think Savage basically unintentionally ensured this when he gave DA his contract because he obviously expected much more from DA than he delivered. Do you really think Lerner wants to pay both of these guys that kind of money knowing one will be sitting on the bench? If Quinn plays 3/4 of the snaps he gets a huge payday and DA has for the most part already been paid. Since no one will even give a half eaten sandwich for DA, someone has to go to help fill greater needs and thats probably Quinn. On the chance that both stay, there is no way a fair QB competition happens. It will be DA's team, which will cause huge problems amongst fans and Quinn with whoever the face of the organization is. They just can't spend that kind of money on the QB position when they have this many needs. This has nothing to do with performance because DA would have lost his job on any team he played for except this one. Savage outsmarted himself and left the Browns with complicated situations to deal with, which will force the Browns to do things that they don't necessarily want to.
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thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
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Quinn started in 3 games with an already battered and broken team and a pathetic and obvious gameplan that was centered around running the ball and only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
The way i see it mangini can do what he will but he better pray that the guy he replaces quinn with turns out better then bq and DA is not even a legit option to start this year...unless daboll has somehow seriously coached him up both physically and mentally...because the home crowd will be his biggest opponent in 8 games..
DA is a gunslinger with rotten luck and thats not good he lacks that good charisma that a gunslinger lives by..
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I think we are stupid trading either one of them. Stars in the rising are not who you trade. Especially after Mangini drooled all over Earnest Gholston last year BUST). He was to be the Jets saviour at pass rushing... didn't even come close.. I'd rather keep our future stars.. than trade them for maybe's.. Gholston had Zero sacks and Zero starts for the Jets last year.
I think we are stupid trading either one of them. Stars in the rising are not who you trade. Especially after Mangini drooled all over Earnest Gholston last year BUST). He was to be the Jets saviour at pass rushing... didn't even come close.. I'd rather keep our future stars.. than trade them for maybe's.. Gholston had Zero sacks and Zero starts for the Jets last year.
Vernon.The NY media seemed to agree that Gholston was taken against the advice of Mangini, not because of it. This might end up reflecting poorly on mangini, if he sat Gholston for a year and he turns out to be a very good player. But I dont think you can blame him for drafting him.
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thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
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thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
yes the tears are flowing..... lol.
One I am not backing anyone specific just whoever is the starting qb. I dont care about who is on the sideline only who is playing.
two I see this as a TEAM game with hundreds of personnel, so forgive if I dont think QB play is black and white.
Three My Hatred for ND is limited to COLLEGE PLAY because the NFL is a hodgepodge of players from everywhere and I dont care where they come from (Michigan included) once they play for the Browns.
For the record I have ALWAYS thought Weis was VASTLY overrated and well he has now proven that HE IS. So his "expert" opinion and "NFL system" was all just media garbage not one that was based in reality. For all the proof I need is to see the destruction of a once proud college program.
THE ONLY reason he is still at ND is that STUPID contract they resigned him to, otherwise he would have been booted last year.
I think Quinn is a gamer, I just dont think he is the second coming of Joe Montana as some of his fans seem to think he is. I think he was over hyped but that he does have talent.
The problem is NO ONE REALLY KNOWS yet how he will be in the NFL because the sample size is too small and his injury gives him plausible credibility that the other 2 games were affected.
Honestly I dont think his injury affected his stats that much because the gameplan was adjusted against his dump off and short quick pass prone ways. Thats just an opinion but the other two games defensive backs were playing tight and bump and run ruining his normal rythem forcing him to look mid to deep. \
IF he is traded away hopefully he will get his shot elsewhere, if not I suspect he has about a 60% chance of starting here next season.
I dont think DA is flawless, I just happen to think he is not as bad as some BQ backers try to illustrate, they cant say BQ is better in the NFL untils he actually plays more to prove it.
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But can you say that HERE DA is our NFL QB?
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@shepwrite said:
We know, or at least have read many times, that Anderson was openly dangled while the Browns only "listened" on Quinn. We know, or have heard repeatedly, that there is a market for Quinn but not much for Anderson.I think the odds that Mangini truly covets the NFL's lowest rated passer in 2008 are infinitesimal, even if we know almost nothing for sure with this regime. It just seems unlikely.
Would the Browns really trade Quinn and NOT draft Sanchez? I don't think so. If Quinn and Edwards are moved, I would assume a QB and WR in round one, then defenders with the other one and the two... then a running back at 50.
Read that the Browns are counting on Alex Hall and Ahtyba Rubin to take the next step by working and studying their asses off... and they love Barton and Jackson in the middle. Interesting.
I'm really liking Sanchez, but I still can't justify giving up Quinn because we'll never get what we should for him and would be forced to use pick five for a QB. The only way they'd swing a deal for Quinn would be if they got mad picks like a late first and second. At that point they would probably hang onto Edwards. I can't see them moving both and I think Edwards is definitely the most likely to be moved.
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@shepwrite said:
We know, or at least have read many times, that Anderson was openly dangled while the Browns only "listened" on Quinn. We know, or have heard repeatedly, that there is a market for Quinn but not much for Anderson.I think the odds that Mangini truly covets the NFL's lowest rated passer in 2008 are infinitesimal, even if we know almost nothing for sure with this regime. It just seems unlikely.
Would the Browns really trade Quinn and NOT draft Sanchez? I don't think so. If Quinn and Edwards are moved, I would assume a QB and WR in round one, then defenders with the other one and the two... then a running back at 50.
Read that the Browns are counting on Alex Hall and Ahtyba Rubin to take the next step by working and studying their asses off... and they love Barton and Jackson in the middle. Interesting.
I'm really liking Sanchez, but I still can't justify giving up Quinn because we'll never get what we should for him and would be forced to use pick five for a QB. The only way they'd swing a deal for Quinn would be if they got mad picks like a late first and second. At that point they would probably hang onto Edwards. I can't see them moving both and I think Edwards is definitely the most likely to be moved.
I'm really liking Sanchez, but I still can't justify giving up Quinn because we'll never get what we should for him and would be forced to use pick five for a QB. The only way they'd swing a deal for Quinn would be if they got mad picks like a late first and second. At that point they would probably hang onto Edwards. I can't see them moving both and I think Edwards is definitely the most likely to be moved.
i disagree. sanchez reminds me too much of matt linhart. if you get to sanchez early, he crumbles. that's how oregon state beat usc. he gets too nervous in the pocket.
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Quinn started in 3 games with an already battered and broken team and a pathetic and obvious gameplan that was centered around running the ball and only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
The way i see it mangini can do what he will but he better pray that the guy he replaces quinn with turns out better then bq and DA is not even a legit option to start this year...unless daboll has somehow seriously coached him up both physically and mentally...because the home crowd will be his biggest opponent in 8 games..
DA is a gunslinger with rotten luck and thats not good he lacks that good charisma that a gunslinger lives by..
only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
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Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
This is a bunch of bullshit. Every week or so one of you guys come out grouping the whole board together as a bunch of Queen Queers. Most of the main posters on here have pretty much unilaterally made their opinions known on the subject of DA and Quinn for well over a year. Most of us wanted DA moved last year and now look what we have. A 6'6 scattershot QB with no pocket presence or trade ability. Meanwhile, we've been sitting on a guy we spent a first and second round pick on who tore it up at ND the last time they were even competitive.
He's shown nothing but promise and kicked ass his first start out the gate before getting hurt. Unless they can get a major haul from trading Quinn it would be totally stupid to give him up for just a first rounder. At that point we're starting over again at QB and probably left watching the Doofus from Scapoosus again since he's worth a bag of stale chips now. Meanwhile, Leftwich just signed so backups are disappearing just like they did last year while the Browns sat around and ended up giving DA money and a job assuring Quinn he'd be holding a clipboard again.
To trade Quinn now and end with Dexter at QB when they could have had even more for DA last year than what they would get for Quinn is just rubbing salt in our wounds and punching us in the balls. I don't know how much more of it I could take.
There is absolutely no way Mancock has a clue as to what Quinn can do and nobody.....nobody knows whether or not they actually like him or not. I'm not sure they know whether they like him or not, nor should they know yet.
To put it bluntly, any guys like Sev and Lumtucky who still cling to DA are losers, plain and simple. Flat out losers.
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DA is on the block with no bidders!
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@shepwrite said:
We know, or at least have read many times, that Anderson was openly dangled while the Browns only "listened" on Quinn.No, that's just what th OBR guys say. And they don't know anything.
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only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
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thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
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Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Ans: The Lady
Looked fantastic vs the Lions by the way. "Nothing but promise and ass kicking" as ex-riffer would say about the 26-6 loss.
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With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Ans: The Lady
Looked fantastic vs the Lions by the way. "Nothing but promise and ass kicking" as ex-riffer would say about the 26-6 loss.
so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Who took the starter snaps for the 2 months leading up to the Denver game, save the last couple days?
Ans: Dexter "I couldn't beat out Charlie frickin' Frye, AND I managed to get my Head Coach and General Manager shit-canned" Anderception.
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so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Who took the starter snaps for the 2 months leading up to the Denver game, save the last couple days?
Ans: Dexter "I couldn't beat out Charlie frickin' Frye, AND I managed to get my Head Coach and General Manager shit-canned" Anderception.
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I seem to recall that back in '07 when it was pointed out that DA did not get starters reps 'til after the '07 season had actually started, folks here, perhaps the same ones, frequent posters anyway, said that was a non-factor. Funny how when another QB is in a similar situation it's suddenly a popular defense.
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