Bye to Edwards and Quinn? RUMOR
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thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
yes the tears are flowing..... lol.
One I am not backing anyone specific just whoever is the starting qb. I dont care about who is on the sideline only who is playing.
two I see this as a TEAM game with hundreds of personnel, so forgive if I dont think QB play is black and white.
Three My Hatred for ND is limited to COLLEGE PLAY because the NFL is a hodgepodge of players from everywhere and I dont care where they come from (Michigan included) once they play for the Browns.
For the record I have ALWAYS thought Weis was VASTLY overrated and well he has now proven that HE IS. So his "expert" opinion and "NFL system" was all just media garbage not one that was based in reality. For all the proof I need is to see the destruction of a once proud college program.
THE ONLY reason he is still at ND is that STUPID contract they resigned him to, otherwise he would have been booted last year.
I think Quinn is a gamer, I just dont think he is the second coming of Joe Montana as some of his fans seem to think he is. I think he was over hyped but that he does have talent.
The problem is NO ONE REALLY KNOWS yet how he will be in the NFL because the sample size is too small and his injury gives him plausible credibility that the other 2 games were affected.
Honestly I dont think his injury affected his stats that much because the gameplan was adjusted against his dump off and short quick pass prone ways. Thats just an opinion but the other two games defensive backs were playing tight and bump and run ruining his normal rythem forcing him to look mid to deep. \
IF he is traded away hopefully he will get his shot elsewhere, if not I suspect he has about a 60% chance of starting here next season.
I dont think DA is flawless, I just happen to think he is not as bad as some BQ backers try to illustrate, they cant say BQ is better in the NFL untils he actually plays more to prove it.
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But can you say that HERE DA is our NFL QB?
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@shepwrite said:
We know, or at least have read many times, that Anderson was openly dangled while the Browns only "listened" on Quinn. We know, or have heard repeatedly, that there is a market for Quinn but not much for Anderson.I think the odds that Mangini truly covets the NFL's lowest rated passer in 2008 are infinitesimal, even if we know almost nothing for sure with this regime. It just seems unlikely.
Would the Browns really trade Quinn and NOT draft Sanchez? I don't think so. If Quinn and Edwards are moved, I would assume a QB and WR in round one, then defenders with the other one and the two... then a running back at 50.
Read that the Browns are counting on Alex Hall and Ahtyba Rubin to take the next step by working and studying their asses off... and they love Barton and Jackson in the middle. Interesting.
I'm really liking Sanchez, but I still can't justify giving up Quinn because we'll never get what we should for him and would be forced to use pick five for a QB. The only way they'd swing a deal for Quinn would be if they got mad picks like a late first and second. At that point they would probably hang onto Edwards. I can't see them moving both and I think Edwards is definitely the most likely to be moved.
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@shepwrite said:
We know, or at least have read many times, that Anderson was openly dangled while the Browns only "listened" on Quinn. We know, or have heard repeatedly, that there is a market for Quinn but not much for Anderson.I think the odds that Mangini truly covets the NFL's lowest rated passer in 2008 are infinitesimal, even if we know almost nothing for sure with this regime. It just seems unlikely.
Would the Browns really trade Quinn and NOT draft Sanchez? I don't think so. If Quinn and Edwards are moved, I would assume a QB and WR in round one, then defenders with the other one and the two... then a running back at 50.
Read that the Browns are counting on Alex Hall and Ahtyba Rubin to take the next step by working and studying their asses off... and they love Barton and Jackson in the middle. Interesting.
I'm really liking Sanchez, but I still can't justify giving up Quinn because we'll never get what we should for him and would be forced to use pick five for a QB. The only way they'd swing a deal for Quinn would be if they got mad picks like a late first and second. At that point they would probably hang onto Edwards. I can't see them moving both and I think Edwards is definitely the most likely to be moved.
I'm really liking Sanchez, but I still can't justify giving up Quinn because we'll never get what we should for him and would be forced to use pick five for a QB. The only way they'd swing a deal for Quinn would be if they got mad picks like a late first and second. At that point they would probably hang onto Edwards. I can't see them moving both and I think Edwards is definitely the most likely to be moved.
i disagree. sanchez reminds me too much of matt linhart. if you get to sanchez early, he crumbles. that's how oregon state beat usc. he gets too nervous in the pocket.
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Quinn started in 3 games with an already battered and broken team and a pathetic and obvious gameplan that was centered around running the ball and only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
The way i see it mangini can do what he will but he better pray that the guy he replaces quinn with turns out better then bq and DA is not even a legit option to start this year...unless daboll has somehow seriously coached him up both physically and mentally...because the home crowd will be his biggest opponent in 8 games..
DA is a gunslinger with rotten luck and thats not good he lacks that good charisma that a gunslinger lives by..
only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
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Ugh. You remind me of that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry and Lloyd are arguing over whether or not you can triple stamp a double stamp. It just seems like 75% of the people here just close their eyes, plug their ears and say nyah nyah nyah i'm not listening, whenever they hear that Brady COULD be traded away.
This is a bunch of bullshit. Every week or so one of you guys come out grouping the whole board together as a bunch of Queen Queers. Most of the main posters on here have pretty much unilaterally made their opinions known on the subject of DA and Quinn for well over a year. Most of us wanted DA moved last year and now look what we have. A 6'6 scattershot QB with no pocket presence or trade ability. Meanwhile, we've been sitting on a guy we spent a first and second round pick on who tore it up at ND the last time they were even competitive.
He's shown nothing but promise and kicked ass his first start out the gate before getting hurt. Unless they can get a major haul from trading Quinn it would be totally stupid to give him up for just a first rounder. At that point we're starting over again at QB and probably left watching the Doofus from Scapoosus again since he's worth a bag of stale chips now. Meanwhile, Leftwich just signed so backups are disappearing just like they did last year while the Browns sat around and ended up giving DA money and a job assuring Quinn he'd be holding a clipboard again.
To trade Quinn now and end with Dexter at QB when they could have had even more for DA last year than what they would get for Quinn is just rubbing salt in our wounds and punching us in the balls. I don't know how much more of it I could take.
There is absolutely no way Mancock has a clue as to what Quinn can do and nobody.....nobody knows whether or not they actually like him or not. I'm not sure they know whether they like him or not, nor should they know yet.
To put it bluntly, any guys like Sev and Lumtucky who still cling to DA are losers, plain and simple. Flat out losers.
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DA is on the block with no bidders!
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@shepwrite said:
We know, or at least have read many times, that Anderson was openly dangled while the Browns only "listened" on Quinn.No, that's just what th OBR guys say. And they don't know anything.
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only a few snaps with the first team before playing on a 3 day notice and being that DA was in his second year with the same guys i would and do consider quinn an upgrade straight from the bench to DA...
Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
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thats funny, 5 year old name calling tactics because I dont believe the hype that is BQ until he PROVES it.... I assure you Riffer you calling me a loser is going to hurt my self esteem and question my reasoning capability... lmao.
Anyways if you bothered to READ my last post, I stated I dont care which one of the guys is traded/not traded/starts this next year. I really dont because again it is a TEAM game with HUNDREDS of personnel dedicated to each game.
What I do think is funny is the spector of a possible trade of BQ only validates a projection from 2 different coaching groups that BQ really is not a NFL level qb they want to use. IF that is reality we will know, if that projection is correct or not can only be proved by play. I suspect DA is nowhere near as bad as some on this board like to illustrate and BQ is nowhere near as good either. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. The problem is our team is so flawed that we really cant get a gauge on what is reality what is just a result of bad coachin/players etc.
Hopefully with the new management and coaching teams we will get somewhere where we can actually see what our problems really are.
Oh quit the crying already about "name calling." The point is, backing a loser
QB like DA and continuing to root against Quinn cuz you hate ND makes you a loser in this sense, that's all there is to it.
We all know what Lums is, but you've taken your hatred for all things ND and Quinn and literally have used that as a pretense that DA is really better than the worst ranked passer in the league.
You and Lumfreddy share a couple of things in common, one being you both despise Brady the Fag and two you both don't know a shitty QB when you see one.......or refuse to acknowledge it.
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Hmmm... I thought Quinn only held out during summer of '07... didn't realize he skipped all the practices and got someone else to pretend to be him during two preseasons and sitting on the bench 'til three days before his name was called half way through the '08 season.
That 3 day notice crap is a bunch of hooey.
With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Ans: The Lady
Looked fantastic vs the Lions by the way. "Nothing but promise and ass kicking" as ex-riffer would say about the 26-6 loss.
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With the STARTERS, you douche. Quinn was only getting like 10% of the reps with starters (you know - the receivers, backs, and linemen that he would actually be playing with in the game) during the periods you're talking about. If you had ever played a down perhaps you would realize that it makes a huge difference, especially for a QB.
so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Ans: The Lady
Looked fantastic vs the Lions by the way. "Nothing but promise and ass kicking" as ex-riffer would say about the 26-6 loss.
so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Who took the starter snaps for the 2 months leading up to the Denver game, save the last couple days?
Ans: Dexter "I couldn't beat out Charlie frickin' Frye, AND I managed to get my Head Coach and General Manager shit-canned" Anderception.
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so who took the snaps when DA missed 3 weeks of the preseason?
Who took the starter snaps for the 2 months leading up to the Denver game, save the last couple days?
Ans: Dexter "I couldn't beat out Charlie frickin' Frye, AND I managed to get my Head Coach and General Manager shit-canned" Anderception.
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I seem to recall that back in '07 when it was pointed out that DA did not get starters reps 'til after the '07 season had actually started, folks here, perhaps the same ones, frequent posters anyway, said that was a non-factor. Funny how when another QB is in a similar situation it's suddenly a popular defense.
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The guy who actually tosses TD passes and beats the Giants on MNF.
But certainly not to be confused with the guy who throws pick 6's to LBs, can't run a 2-minute offense without Hooked-on-Phonics being streamed through his headset, throws 90mph fastballs into the back of the heads of any receiver not at least 20 yds downfield, and thinks throwing into double/triple coverage in the red-zone is OK.
Nope. Certainly not THAT guy.
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I think the point of all of this is not is DA is the future of the Browns, He is NOT. The Question is if BQ is. Obviously we do not know. But he played a very good first game against a HORRIBLE defense and then two not good games with a injury. He has show nothing to make me think he is a star..He also has shown me nothing to think he is not a star.
This is not about DA VS BQ. It is about if the Browns get the right trade offer for one, either or both QBs. The point is BQ is not untouchable. And I will be honest I really think that the management fully plans on winning only 6 games this year. Build the defense and get in some talent. I don't think the Browns will trade BE if he is willing to sign an extension at a reasonable price, otherwise you must trade him or you will get nothing for him.
If you get the rigt offer you trade BQ. You live with DA if you can't trade him for a year and see if he can be coached up and you draft a QB NEXT year. Face it, the organization is not on the verge of turning the corner, with what Savage did the Browns are a few years away.
The new management seems to be trying to build the team for the long haul. Build with defense and OL. You do your best to win but you understand that you can not tear a team apart and rebuild it the right way in one year.
If they get the right offer for BQ then you take it and build the team through the draft. If BE will not sign a reasonable contract you trade him for what you can, you don't want him to just walk away.
We all need to understand it is not like the Browns are just a player away from the super bowl. They have one great lineman a couple of nice young corners and one great OL man. They have a Qb that might or might not be good and another QB that is prolly a one year wonder. They have a star reciever that can't catch the easy one and another reciever that is going to go to jail. They need to unload players that are not untouchable and build through the draft and a few key signings.
Just my opinion, but people need to stop looking at this like it is a BQ or DA question, I am starting to think that the answer might be niether of them is the answer, especially if you can get fair trade value for BQ and/or DA.
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I seem to recall that back in '07 when it was pointed out that DA did not get starters reps 'til after the '07 season had actually started, folks here, perhaps the same ones, frequent posters anyway, said that was a non-factor. Funny how when another QB is in a similar situation it's suddenly a popular defense.
I seem to recall that back in '07 when it was pointed out that DA did not get starters reps 'til after the '07 season had actually started, folks here, perhaps the same ones, frequent posters anyway, said that was a non-factor. Funny how when another QB is in a similar situation it's suddenly a popular defense.
Funny how you have backed away from your initial supposition.
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I think the point of all of this is not is DA is the future of the Browns, He is NOT. The Question is if BQ is. Obviously we do not know. But he played a very good first game against a HORRIBLE defense and then two not good games with a injury. He has show nothing to make me think he is a star..He also has shown me nothing to think he is not a star.
This is not about DA VS BQ. It is about if the Browns get the right trade offer for one, either or both QBs. The point is BQ is not untouchable. And I will be honest I really think that the management fully plans on winning only 6 games this year. Build the defense and get in some talent. I don't think the Browns will trade BE if he is willing to sign an extension at a reasonable price, otherwise you must trade him or you will get nothing for him.
If you get the rigt offer you trade BQ. You live with DA if you can't trade him for a year and see if he can be coached up and you draft a QB NEXT year. Face it, the organization is not on the verge of turning the corner, with what Savage did the Browns are a few years away.
The new management seems to be trying to build the team for the long haul. Build with defense and OL. You do your best to win but you understand that you can not tear a team apart and rebuild it the right way in one year.
If they get the right offer for BQ then you take it and build the team through the draft. If BE will not sign a reasonable contract you trade him for what you can, you don't want him to just walk away.
We all need to understand it is not like the Browns are just a player away from the super bowl. They have one great lineman a couple of nice young corners and one great OL man. They have a Qb that might or might not be good and another QB that is prolly a one year wonder. They have a star reciever that can't catch the easy one and another reciever that is going to go to jail. They need to unload players that are not untouchable and build through the draft and a few key signings.
Just my opinion, but people need to stop looking at this like it is a BQ or DA question, I am starting to think that the answer might be niether of them is the answer, especially if you can get fair trade value for BQ and/or DA.
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I'm not so sure either one will be traded this year. The window for decent value on the one that doesn't play this year is quickly closing, if something doesn't happen during the draft, I don't think either one will be traded until next year; by that time whichever sits will not have nearly the value they do now. I still think Anderson is the more likely of the two to go, if one does go, only because the Browns could accept less than a first round pick for him.
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That may be true Lum but if they trade BQ it is not going to be because they feel that DA is the answer. It will be because they don't think either is the answer and that they can get more value for BQ than DA. They will go through the season as best as possible and draft a QB next year in a much deeper QB draft than this year.
That is my whole point. They are not going to trade DA because BQ is the answer or trade BQ because DA is the answer. They are going to trade to get value and build the team.
If they start BQ they will give him his shot to see if he can be the man, if they trade him I think that they will just plan on getting by with DA until next year when they can draft a franchise QB in a deep QB draft.
Basically what they do with BQ does not mean anything about how they feel about DA, just an opinion but that is what I think. And just so you know I went to Oregon State and I am a season ticket holder so I am not a BQ homer and I hate ND. You just have to be able to look at things without orange colored glasses and see it for what it is. New regime means new plan. New plan means lets build this team the way we want. Like I have said it is not like the Browns are a player away from the super bowl. They need allot of help and the best way to get it is through the draft.
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