No Love for Quinn
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For starters Quinn had an entire training camp to unseed Cletus the slack jawed yo cal and I don't care how blind, deaf, and dumb the coaching staff was ,if he had reminded anybody of Joe Montana he would have been the starter
That being said I think he's the real deal and given the talant and the COACHING he can lead us to the promise land,I just don't believe he has wowed anybody in the organization either past or present
The only possible way to get value for DA is to try to make somebody think we'll keep him, and maybe we will , DA wouldn't be the first QB to revive his career via coaching change
My feeling is the powers that be would like to off load DA's hefty contract plus any QB controversy but I think he'll end up back next season with a clipboard
As far as trading BQ,DA or BE your a fool if you don't at least listen ,as coach a you believe you're the reason the team wins or loses not any one player
If you don't think as a coach you can win with DA as your QB(For Christ sakes even Romeo did) then you shouldn't be a coach in the NFL
If your lucky enough to find the next LT in the draft then any QB just got a whole lot better,now we all know that there are no LT's in this draft but the FO may believe that there are 3 guy's round 1 that can turn this franchise around faster than the 3 best players we have on our roster right now.
For starters Quinn had an entire training camp to unseed Cletus the slack jawed yo cal and I don't care how blind, deaf, and dumb the coaching staff was ,if he had reminded anybody of Joe Montana he would have been the starter
I doubt you realize just what you have said here.....Even Joe Montana didn't start his first year. He threw all of 23 passes that rookie campaign.
Secondly, Do you really think Quinn or any 2nd year QB was going to unseat a Pro bowl QB that had just thrown 29 TD passes (A Browns record) the season before?
Brilliant post!
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin" -
Can someone please explain to me why the Browns are trying to get rid of Quinn? We have a solid QB who, if given the right time, could be our franchise QB and we're trying to trade him for possible draft busts? The guy only played a couple of games last year and the game against the Broncos looked very promising. I can see the Browns dumping DA because he had his chance and was a bust. I just dont understand what Mangini's thinking is here.
You partially answered your own question...mangini wants to trade quinn obviously even for a second rounder which i find unacceptable and then there is the quinn smear campaign thats being waged against him originating from an unknown source likely mangini himself...mangini wasnt high on quinn as the jets coach and obviously still isnt..
I guess those 3 games bq started in were not real because he most certainly looked like a real nfl qb to me especially for his first starts..im really starting to question mangini's reasoning and motives on this issue..its unlikely any qb we get from the draft will measure up to quinn with sanchez having the best chance to be as good but its a gamble..and im going to be pissed if mangina starts DA or brings in a crappy vet...
Im on the verge of giving up on this club permanently as far as ever winning again its to early to tell but mankok may be a bigger bust then savage/crennel from a different prospective..savage wanted an exciting team mankok appears to want a drab vanilla and losing team with his own questionable leftover jets talent applied from the get go..
Right now we have to give them the benifit of doubt but doubt is quickly becoming the word as in i have no confidence at this point that mankok can build us a winner..i dont care for their choices in FA and predict i will feel the same throughout the draft and into the season..but who knows i could be way wrong its just a hunch..
You partially answered your own question...mangini wants to trade quinn obviously even for a second rounder which i find unacceptable and then there is the quinn smear campaign thats being waged against him originating from an unknown source likely mangini himself...mangini wasnt high on quinn as the jets coach and obviously still isnt..
I guess those 3 games bq started in were not real because he most certainly looked like a real nfl qb to me especially for his first starts..im really starting to question mangini's reasoning and motives on this issue..its unlikely any qb we get from the draft will measure up to quinn with sanchez having the best chance to be as good but its a gamble..and im going to be pissed if mangina starts DA or brings in a crappy vet...
Im on the verge of giving up on this club permanently as far as ever winning again its to early to tell but mankok may be a bigger bust then savage/crennel from a different prospective..savage wanted an exciting team mankok appears to want a drab vanilla and losing team with his own questionable leftover jets talent applied from the get go..
Right now we have to give them the benifit of doubt but doubt is quickly becoming the word as in i have no confidence at this point that mankok can build us a winner..i dont care for their choices in FA and predict i will feel the same throughout the draft and into the season..but who knows i could be way wrong its just a hunch..
Wake up dude and stop believeing everything you read from MaryKay Grossi. Mangini told the media todya the he expects Anderson and Quinn to be competing for the starting QB job when camp opens. He has said he isn't trying to trade Quinn. He told Quinn he isn't trying to trade him and that comes from Quinn himself so why do you believe these media hacks over the HC.
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For starters Quinn had an entire training camp to unseed Cletus the slack jawed yo cal and I don't care how blind, deaf, and dumb the coaching staff was ,if he had reminded anybody of Joe Montana he would have been the starter
I doubt you realize just what you have said here.....Even Joe Montana didn't start his first year. He threw all of 23 passes that rookie campaign.
Secondly, Do you really think Quinn or any 2nd year QB was going to unseat a Pro bowl QB that had just thrown 29 TD passes (A Browns record) the season before?
Brilliant post!
I doubt you realize just what you have said here.....Even Joe Montana didn't start his first year. He threw all of 23 passes that rookie campaign.
Secondly, Do you really think Quinn or any 2nd year QB was going to unseat a Pro bowl QB that had just thrown 29 TD passes (A Browns record) the season before?
Brilliant post!
Thank you Sherlock
Didn't say anything about Quinn's' first year but thanks for the history report on Montana's' rookie year
The point was if Quinn where a can't miss no doubt star there would be no trade talks.
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I doubt you realize just what you have said here.....Even Joe Montana didn't start his first year. He threw all of 23 passes that rookie campaign.
Secondly, Do you really think Quinn or any 2nd year QB was going to unseat a Pro bowl QB that had just thrown 29 TD passes (A Browns record) the season before?
Brilliant post!
Thank you Sherlock
Didn't say anything about Quinn's' first year but thanks for the history report on Montana's' rookie year
The point was if Quinn where a can't miss no doubt star there would be no trade talks.
The point was if Quinn where a can't miss no doubt star there would be no trade talks.
That couldn't be more innacurate. Not only potential stars, but current stars have always come up in trade talks.
Think about what you said again....If he were not a potential star....Why would any team be asking about him?
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The point was if Quinn where a can't miss no doubt star there would be no trade talks.
That couldn't be more innacurate. Not only potential stars, but current stars have always come up in trade talks.
Think about what you said again....If he were not a potential star....Why would any team be asking about him?
Think about what you said again....If he were not a potential star....Why would any team be asking about him?
Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
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Think about what you said again....If he were not a potential star....Why would any team be asking about him?
Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
You didn't say he had no potential....And I didn't claim you did. You said he wasn't a potential star....This is what I said you had posted. You said If he was, there would be no trade talks.
You said, "If Quinn was a no doubt, can't miss star, there would be no trade talks".
You are obviously saying there are trades talks because he isn't thought of as a potential star or a can't miss guy.
So you must think teams make 1st round pick offers for guys that are not potential stars. The trade talks or rumors that you say shouldn't be happening if Quinn was a can't miss guy are with the Broncos and supposedly they have offered a #1 for Quinn....I doubt teams would be willing to give up a # 1 unless they think of him as a can't miss guy. Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
You didn't say he had no potential....And I didn't claim you did. You said he wasn't a potential star....This is what I said you had posted. You said If he was, there would be no trade talks.
You said, "If Quinn was a no doubt, can't miss star, there would be no trade talks".
You are obviously saying there are trades talks because he isn't thought of as a potential star or a can't miss guy.
So you must think teams make 1st round pick offers for guys that are not potential stars. The trade talks or rumors that you say shouldn't be happening if Quinn was a can't miss guy are with the Broncos and supposedly they have offered a #1 for Quinn....I doubt teams would be willing to give up a # 1 unless they think of him as a can't miss guy. Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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You need to read the post (I think it was by OconRecon) that gives the track record of #1s the last decade... hardly can't miss.
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Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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You need to read the post (I think it was by OconRecon) that gives the track record of #1s the last decade... hardly can't miss.
You need to read the post (I think it was by OconRecon) that gives the track record of #1s the last decade... hardly can't miss.
You completely missed the point.....That being, when drafted #1, that means you are expected to be a can't miss guy. Not that you automatically are.
Of course there are #1's that are bust every year. But when a team drafts a player #1 that means they are laying millions of dollars on a guy not being a bust....therefore, being a #1 is the epitome of what a team's feels is a "Can't miss guy".
Why else draft him #1?
Did you read the entire conversation I was having with him? I'd think that should've been obvious and easy to understand if you had.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin" -
this thread reminds me of a quote on a hunting forum I frequent
"I swear, the IQ of this board drops every day!!"
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this thread reminds me of a quote on a hunting forum I frequent
"I swear, the IQ of this board drops every day!!"
this thread reminds me of a quote on a hunting forum I frequent
"I swear, the IQ of this board drops every day!!"
Thanks for adding that extremely intelligent and informative post.
Reading a thread and then making a post within it concerning it's lack of value or intelligence is like going to a county fair and then talking about how only hillbillies go to the county fair.....Brilliant!
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@inspecta said:
every report you here out of berea says this kid is a gym rat and a film junkie.You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
...unless he's doing this stuff between punches.
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@inspecta said:
every report you here out of berea says this kid is a gym rat and a film junkie.You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
...unless he's doing this stuff between punches.
You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
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You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
What does body waxing have to do with this?
FYI, I've heard Anderson say he can bench 4 bills. How's about ole chest wax there, what's he bench?
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What does body waxing have to do with this?
FYI, I've heard Anderson say he can bench 4 bills. How's about ole chest wax there, what's he bench?
Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
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What does body waxing have to do with this?
FYI, I've heard Anderson say he can bench 4 bills. How's about ole chest wax there, what's he bench?
Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
This is insane! Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field. He won the Monday night game against the Bills with a broken finger, and was shut down for the year the game after that. He is NOT going anywhere. BE on the other hand is probably gone. He is a head case and probably will not work well with Mangini. I like the idea of some picks and Steve Smith from the Giants. If they want BE bad enough they will get it done. If not, we have BE signed through this year, can match his restricted FA offer next year, and can Fran-tag him the next year to lock him up for the next 3 seasons. Either way we will be fine.
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You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
Gayest thread ever.
Who's faster, the Green Lantern or Superman?
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if some of you will substitute "can't" with "hasn't" in regards to DA i can almost guarantee i'll post a lot less.
fair enough?
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@shepwrite said:
My concern with Quinn is his ability to go downfield accurately. Because of the injury, that question hasn't been answered.Well, he needs a chance to prove it before they talk trade. Sanchez is not the answer. He's got a bum knee and the running game can't support him right now. Quinn is mobile and COULD go downfield when he played at ND. Just my 2 cents. I say we trade DA to the Niners for a 3rd (or Vernon Davis) and give the guy a chance.
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Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
This is insane! Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field. He won the Monday night game against the Bills with a broken finger, and was shut down for the year the game after that. He is NOT going anywhere. BE on the other hand is probably gone. He is a head case and probably will not work well with Mangini. I like the idea of some picks and Steve Smith from the Giants. If they want BE bad enough they will get it done. If not, we have BE signed through this year, can match his restricted FA offer next year, and can Fran-tag him the next year to lock him up for the next 3 seasons. Either way we will be fine.
Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field.
just for the sake of argument....Denver's defense was as pathetic as ours last year.....and he still lost. it could be blamed on our D not stopping a good offense, or it could be blamed on our offense's inability to do anything against another horrid defense.
i remember the defense losing a few other games that a certain unpopular QB was playing in....but that blame was also placed on said QB's shoulders.
take off the glasses.....perception is in the eye of the beholder.....
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