No Love for Quinn
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Think about what you said again....If he were not a potential star....Why would any team be asking about him?
Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
You didn't say he had no potential....And I didn't claim you did. You said he wasn't a potential star....This is what I said you had posted. You said If he was, there would be no trade talks.
You said, "If Quinn was a no doubt, can't miss star, there would be no trade talks".
You are obviously saying there are trades talks because he isn't thought of as a potential star or a can't miss guy.
So you must think teams make 1st round pick offers for guys that are not potential stars. The trade talks or rumors that you say shouldn't be happening if Quinn was a can't miss guy are with the Broncos and supposedly they have offered a #1 for Quinn....I doubt teams would be willing to give up a # 1 unless they think of him as a can't miss guy. Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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Must have me confused with somebody else ? don't remember posting that he has no potential ?
Then what did I say?
You didn't say he had no potential....And I didn't claim you did. You said he wasn't a potential star....This is what I said you had posted. You said If he was, there would be no trade talks.
You said, "If Quinn was a no doubt, can't miss star, there would be no trade talks".
You are obviously saying there are trades talks because he isn't thought of as a potential star or a can't miss guy.
So you must think teams make 1st round pick offers for guys that are not potential stars. The trade talks or rumors that you say shouldn't be happening if Quinn was a can't miss guy are with the Broncos and supposedly they have offered a #1 for Quinn....I doubt teams would be willing to give up a # 1 unless they think of him as a can't miss guy. Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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You need to read the post (I think it was by OconRecon) that gives the track record of #1s the last decade... hardly can't miss.
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Being a #1 is the epitome of a can't miss guy. Thus, giving up a #1 up would only be done for a can't miss guy.
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You need to read the post (I think it was by OconRecon) that gives the track record of #1s the last decade... hardly can't miss.
You need to read the post (I think it was by OconRecon) that gives the track record of #1s the last decade... hardly can't miss.
You completely missed the point.....That being, when drafted #1, that means you are expected to be a can't miss guy. Not that you automatically are.
Of course there are #1's that are bust every year. But when a team drafts a player #1 that means they are laying millions of dollars on a guy not being a bust....therefore, being a #1 is the epitome of what a team's feels is a "Can't miss guy".
Why else draft him #1?
Did you read the entire conversation I was having with him? I'd think that should've been obvious and easy to understand if you had.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin" -
this thread reminds me of a quote on a hunting forum I frequent
"I swear, the IQ of this board drops every day!!"
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this thread reminds me of a quote on a hunting forum I frequent
"I swear, the IQ of this board drops every day!!"
this thread reminds me of a quote on a hunting forum I frequent
"I swear, the IQ of this board drops every day!!"
Thanks for adding that extremely intelligent and informative post.
Reading a thread and then making a post within it concerning it's lack of value or intelligence is like going to a county fair and then talking about how only hillbillies go to the county fair.....Brilliant!
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@inspecta said:
every report you here out of berea says this kid is a gym rat and a film junkie.You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
...unless he's doing this stuff between punches.
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@inspecta said:
every report you here out of berea says this kid is a gym rat and a film junkie.You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
...unless he's doing this stuff between punches.
You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
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You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
What does body waxing have to do with this?
FYI, I've heard Anderson say he can bench 4 bills. How's about ole chest wax there, what's he bench?
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What does body waxing have to do with this?
FYI, I've heard Anderson say he can bench 4 bills. How's about ole chest wax there, what's he bench?
Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
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What does body waxing have to do with this?
FYI, I've heard Anderson say he can bench 4 bills. How's about ole chest wax there, what's he bench?
Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
This is insane! Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field. He won the Monday night game against the Bills with a broken finger, and was shut down for the year the game after that. He is NOT going anywhere. BE on the other hand is probably gone. He is a head case and probably will not work well with Mangini. I like the idea of some picks and Steve Smith from the Giants. If they want BE bad enough they will get it done. If not, we have BE signed through this year, can match his restricted FA offer next year, and can Fran-tag him the next year to lock him up for the next 3 seasons. Either way we will be fine.
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You may have confused "reports out of Berea" with "posts by shep"
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
Absolutely agreed, Lum. Does this guy look like he works out? Absolutely not!
And that terrible lethargy surely leads to no film study. Graduating from Notre Dame with dual degrees in Politcal Science and Finance, I'm sure his study habits are pathetic.
Gayest thread ever.
Who's faster, the Green Lantern or Superman?
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if some of you will substitute "can't" with "hasn't" in regards to DA i can almost guarantee i'll post a lot less.
fair enough?
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@shepwrite said:
My concern with Quinn is his ability to go downfield accurately. Because of the injury, that question hasn't been answered.Well, he needs a chance to prove it before they talk trade. Sanchez is not the answer. He's got a bum knee and the running game can't support him right now. Quinn is mobile and COULD go downfield when he played at ND. Just my 2 cents. I say we trade DA to the Niners for a 3rd (or Vernon Davis) and give the guy a chance.
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Well, it depends how you look at it. At the combine, he threw up 225 24 times. I'm pretty sure that translates to a max of at least 400. If DA can really bench 400, pigs can fly.
Week 9 at last year, he benched Derek Anderson.
Take your pick.
This is insane! Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field. He won the Monday night game against the Bills with a broken finger, and was shut down for the year the game after that. He is NOT going anywhere. BE on the other hand is probably gone. He is a head case and probably will not work well with Mangini. I like the idea of some picks and Steve Smith from the Giants. If they want BE bad enough they will get it done. If not, we have BE signed through this year, can match his restricted FA offer next year, and can Fran-tag him the next year to lock him up for the next 3 seasons. Either way we will be fine.
Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field.
just for the sake of argument....Denver's defense was as pathetic as ours last year.....and he still lost. it could be blamed on our D not stopping a good offense, or it could be blamed on our offense's inability to do anything against another horrid defense.
i remember the defense losing a few other games that a certain unpopular QB was playing in....but that blame was also placed on said QB's shoulders.
take off the glasses.....perception is in the eye of the beholder.....
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@inspecta said:
Embrace the fact that Quinn works harder at being a better pro than Derek Bear. Because it is absolute facthow do you justify this? how can you say what DA does at all outside of games? he even does off-field stuff like kid's football camps. (!)
will it ever be enough?
the guy just has no chance with so many of you, there seems no end to it.
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@inspecta said:
Embrace the fact that Quinn works harder at being a better pro than Derek Bear. Because it is absolute facthow do you justify this? how can you say what DA does at all outside of games? he even does off-field stuff like kid's football camps. (!)
will it ever be enough?
the guy just has no chance with so many of you, there seems no end to it.
how do you justify this? how can you say what DA does at all outside of games? he even does off-field stuff like kid's football camps. (!)
will it ever be enough?
the guy just has no chance with so many of you, there seems no end to it.
The reason is he simply is not a very good QB Bill, and that will always be first and foremost the reason why.
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Quinn played well against Denver last year (His first start and ony game he wasn't injured) and they would have won the game had the awful defence not taken a crap on the field.
just for the sake of argument....Denver's defense was as pathetic as ours last year.....and he still lost. it could be blamed on our D not stopping a good offense, or it could be blamed on our offense's inability to do anything against another horrid defense.
i remember the defense losing a few other games that a certain unpopular QB was playing in....but that blame was also placed on said QB's shoulders.
take off the glasses.....perception is in the eye of the beholder.....
just for the sake of argument....Denver's defense was as pathetic as ours last year.....and he still lost. it could be blamed on our D not stopping a good offense, or it could be blamed on our offense's inability to do anything against another horrid defense.
i remember the defense losing a few other games that a certain unpopular QB was playing in....but that blame was also placed on said QB's shoulders.
take off the glasses.....perception is in the eye of the beholder.....
What is your answer then? DA? His QB rating was less tha 60 2 years ago and he never recovered from that Cinci loss that cost us the playoffs (see record and QB rating last year). All I am saying is give the guy a chance. We drafted him for a reason and Savage was not a complete idiot.
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you still seem hung up on the idea that to say anything negative about quinn means that individual is a raging lumbergh......
im not sitting here armchair quarterbacking.....frankly, i care very little about WHO is under center.....only that that person is competent. i have no faith in anyone on the roster right now, so i dont care who they trade.
just get picks.....if we are rebuilding, we need picks so it doesn't take 3 more years.
im not enamored by quinns play.....in college or in the pros. but im not an ohio native either.
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that position has been known to take awhile for guys to develop, especially w/out a quality vet to mentor from. neither of our current guys have had that. the top 10 QB's in the league still make mistakes regularly, yet everyone overlooks it (except Philly fans). similar to how the league values Braylon more than CLE seems to. our situation might require the better guy to play, even if he won't be the better guy forever.
i like our QB situation and hope we keep them both--as i've said before iron sharpens iron and those guys have shown they can coexist.
it's fan opinion that seems to be the problem. even if BQ starts and falters many will want to give him a two-year leash it seems. i'm ok with the best guy playing regardless and trust the staff to evaluate the talent for me. let the weaker choice develop on the practice field.
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