Swarming defenses outweigh franchise QB's.
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no, no, no.
doesn't matter which one you build first, you try to build both - the best building blocks
as you can get them.
If Brady had been drafted by the Browns, nobody would know who he was - it's the Arcie Manning
syndrome - you can't win without the pieces in place.
Now, a swarming defense is eleven guys playing in sync. A true, elite franchise qb is only one player.
11 > 1. Now, seriously - Peyton Manniing took a playoff caliber team to the superbowl and won it.
The Broncos got to the playoffs in 2011...with freaking Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow, the latter saved their
season. Orton started, they lost a few games, and then Tim Tebow took over.
Tim Tebow was a popsickle stick.
But Denver had most of the pieces in place. The qb made the difference, and Tebow isn't an
elite franchise qb.
Building a football team to win, is like the old mousetrap game racing another mousetrap game. You have to
get all the right pieces in place, or the mouse won't be trapped. It does't work. Now, you are missing a few pieces,
sure, you can duct tape a popsickle stick into the mousetrap and make it work... if you have a good popsickle stick.
Past regimes of the Browns just didn't get it. They were like "say, we want our mousetrap game to work, let's use
this expensive pencil, and a few grapes and an avacado, and try to make the mousetrap work".
Nah. Hue and Co are way, way too smart and experienced for that. They get it.
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Brady won his first 3 SB's with a swarming defense and the best kicker ever. He's above average, not special.
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Brady won his first 3 SB's with a swarming defense and the best kicker ever. He's above average, not special.
Brady won his first 3 SB's with a swarming defense and the best kicker ever. He's above average, not special.
Yea, I don't think you are going to get many people to agree with you. Brady is top 3 QBs ever.
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Brady won his first 3 SB's with a swarming defense and the best kicker ever. He's above average, not special.
He's above average, not special.
Yes and only the best damn QB in modern times.. Go back to school , Charlie.
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D should always be stronger than O. Short of an Aaron Rodgers, build your D and develop a competent offense.
D should always be stronger than O. Short of an Aaron Rodgers, build your D and develop a competent offense.
Easier said than done.
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I will always say that a team needs a strong defense. Its my favorite side of the team. DE, DT, & LB are my favorite positions. I know a team needs a productive QB, and a good RB & WR, but I will stick to building a strong defense 100%.
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Loading your D with talent always makes sense. Trent Dilfer was garbage, but he has more rings than Warren Moon, Dan Marino and Pihilip Rivers. Building your D is more realistic than praying for a franchise QB. Sometimes even "franchise" QB's win jack shit. Scoring points is great. Hurting your opponent is better, especially if you get a ring.
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Loading your D with talent always makes sense. Trent Dilfer was garbage, but he has more rings than Warren Moon, Dan Marino and Pihilip Rivers. Building your D is more realistic than praying for a franchise QB. Sometimes even "franchise" QB's win jack shit. Scoring points is great. Hurting your opponent is better, especially if you get a ring.
Loading your D with talent always makes sense. Trent Dilfer was garbage, but he has more rings than Warren Moon, Dan Marino and Pihilip Rivers. Building your D is more realistic than praying for a franchise QB. Sometimes even "franchise" QB's win jack shit. Scoring points is great. Hurting your opponent is better, especially if you get a ring.
having shit QB is no way to build a dynasty
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Did I just read that Brady is above average but not special? Is that terms for being removed from the board? Brady threw 50 tds one year. That's Retarded. How many times has he had a badass WR? Edleman is a system guy, and owes his salary to Tom.
Brady might be the best of all time. I remember a 3rd and 10 where the center stepped on Brady's foot and he fell down with the ball. Instead of covering the ball up and punting, he threw a ROPE to the sideline where his WR made an amazing catch for a 1st down. He threw a dart from his ass cheeks, 12 yards, to his guy that could not have been any better. Obviously this doesn't mean he's the best ever, but it's a play I'll never forget.
He threw it while on his ASS.
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how many times has Brady had a great, superstar TE? When Brady started in
2001 they had Troy Brown, a star college wr who slipped in the draft because he was
5'6"...but an outstanding career. Brown played wr for...well over ten years.
and he had Rod Rutledge, te, 6'5", 265 lbs who caught the first pass from Brady..
terrific blocker, 2nd round draft pick.
interesting to note - the Patriots saw that the big TE made a huge difference in their offense,
and they ended up drafting Gronkowski - 6'5", 265 lbs.... 2nd round...
He had Terry Glenn, whose yards and catches plummeted Brady's first year, first round draft pick..
Brady ended up being a terrific qb who had some tools, and a solid pass protecting offensive line,
with a terrific defense. Good combination, tremendous achieivements. But hardly the greatest
qb ever, smart, quick release...
He just went to a good situation and excelled. If he had gone to a bad situation, he wouldn't have, that's all.
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Did I just read that Brady is above average but not special? Is that terms for being removed from the board? Brady threw 50 tds one year. That's Retarded. How many times has he had a badass WR? Edleman is a system guy, and owes his salary to Tom.
Brady might be the best of all time. I remember a 3rd and 10 where the center stepped on Brady's foot and he fell down with the ball. Instead of covering the ball up and punting, he threw a ROPE to the sideline where his WR made an amazing catch for a 1st down. He threw a dart from his ass cheeks, 12 yards, to his guy that could not have been any better. Obviously this doesn't mean he's the best ever, but it's a play I'll never forget.
He threw it while on his ASS.
Did I just read that Brady is above average but not special? Is that terms for being removed from the board? Brady threw 50 tds one year. That's Retard. How many times has he had a badass WR? Edleman is a system guy, and owes his salary to Tom.
Brady might be the best of all time. I remember a 3rd and 10 where the center stepped on Brady's foot and he fell down with the ball. Instead of covering the ball up and punting, he threw a ROPE to the sideline where his WR made an amazing catch for a 1st down. He threw a dart from his ass cheeks, 12 yards, to his guy that could not have been any better. Obviously this doesn't mean he's the best ever, but it's a play I'll never forget.
He threw it while on his ASS.
Brady had a motivated Randy Moss when he threw 50 TD's. Most of those balls he just chucked up and Moss made a ridiculous adjustment for. Also, he grew up a slightly pudgy kid in the Bay Area with no arm. The older he got the stronger he got. Don't rule out some Barry Bonds BALCO type stuff.
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Most? No...
Tom is great. Certainly deserves to be in the convo of GOAT. But since he still apparently has years to go, the argument for him is incomplete.
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Why did Brady get drafted in the 6th round? Poor college production and shitty combine performance. He is the original Alex Smith that rode the greatest wave. Plus steroids.
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Most? No...
Tom is great. Certainly deserves to be in the convo of GOAT. But since he still apparently has years to go, the argument for him is incomplete.
Tom is great. Certainly deserves to be in the convo of GOAT
Yep.....actually, he's already my goat.....and just piling on now......
Why did Brady get drafted in the 6th round?
Perhaps for the same reasons Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and Warren Moon went undrafted and guys like Montana & Staubach went in the third and 10th rounds......???? ......maybe someone screwed up in the draft room?.....or some just grew and matured as players?.......possibly?
Or....maybe you're speculation is right....all these guys were just lousy college players who became steroid junkies and then reaped the rewards of being on great teams, whilst fooling the whole world into believing they were actually great QB's.....yep.........
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Tom is great. Certainly deserves to be in the convo of GOAT
Yep.....actually, he's already my goat.....and just piling on now......
Why did Brady get drafted in the 6th round?
Perhaps for the same reasons Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and Warren Moon went undrafted and guys like Montana & Staubach went in the third and 10th rounds......???? ......maybe someone screwed up in the draft room?.....or some just grew and matured as players?.......possibly?
Or....maybe you're speculation is right....all these guys were just lousy college players who became steroid junkies and then reaped the rewards of being on great teams, whilst fooling the whole world into believing they were actually great QB's.....yep.........
Yep.....actually, he's already my goat.....and just piling on now......
Perhaps for the same reasons Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and Warren Moon went undrafted and guys like Montana & Staubach went in the third and 10th rounds......???? ......maybe someone screwed up in the draft room?.....or some just grew and matured as players?.......possibly?
Or....maybe you're speculation is right....all these guys were just lousy college players who became steroid junkies and then reaped the rewards of being on great teams, whilst fooling the whole world into believing they were actually great QB's.....yep.........
Just talking about Brady. Everybody has a different road. The Pat's defense and kicker were legendary when Brady game managed those SB's. Then he scored under 20 twice against Giants D's that had some pass rush and nothing else. Lost both. And the Seahawks beyond tripped at the finish. Brady is great. GOAT. Fuck that. It's just fun to argue this shit.
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Why don't you guys suck Brady off and get it over with. Jeez
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Why did Brady get drafted in the 6th round? Poor college production and shitty combine performance. He is the original Alex Smith that rode the greatest wave. Plus steroids.
Why did Brady get drafted in the 6th round? Poor college production and shitty combine performance.
I'd say he wasn't exactly coming out of a QB factory and really was not that athletic. Just remember that shirt-off photo of him... more doughboy than athlete.
Read an account from Belichick that the Pats saw a kid who improved year-over-year and a smart competitor who had a chance to be an NFL QB... that 's it... no other "great insight". Even then when their Compensatory pick rolled around in the 6th they only turned to Brady because their board had been practically exhausted of prospects they liked and the pick was untradeable. So it was more of a "what the hell, nobody else available" choice.
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Why did Brady get drafted in the 6th round? Poor college production and shitty combine performance.
I'd say he wasn't exactly coming out of a QB factory and really was not that athletic. Just remember that shirt-off photo of him... more doughboy than athlete.
Read an account from Belichick that the Pats saw a kid who improved year-over-year and a smart competitor who had a chance to be an NFL QB... that 's it... no other "great insight". Even then when their Compensatory pick rolled around in the 6th they only turned to Brady because their board had been practically exhausted of prospects they liked and the pick was untradeable. So it was more of a "what the hell, nobody else available" choice.
I'd say he wasn't exactly coming out of a QB factory and really was not that athletic. Just remember that shirt-off photo of him... more doughboy than athlete.
Read an account from Belichick that the Pats saw a kid who improved year-over-year and a smart competitor who had a chance to be an NFL QB... that 's it... no other "great insight". Even then when their Compensatory pick rolled around in the 6th they only turned to Brady because their board had been practically exhausted of prospects they liked and the pick was untradeable. So it was more of a "what the hell, nobody else available" choice.
And that is what we call dumb stupid luck.
I mean, does anyone think that if Spergon Wynn had been the choice of the Pats then that he and not Tom Brady would have been the golden boy of the last decade and a half?
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