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Name your top 5 offensive players in this division.

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  • I will do skill players only first...and look at each position:

    QB: BR

    RB: Would be Bell but he will be suspended, in lieu of him...Jeremy Hill?

    (but don't be surprised if the Crow/Duke combo isn't as good as any)

    WR1: A. Brown

    WR 2: AJ Green

    TE: Barnidge

    Best 5 OL, regardless of position:

    Joe Thomas

    Marshall Yanda

    Andrew Whitworth

    David DeCastro

    Joel Bitonio

  • I'd struggle to put Barnidge as the top TE in the division ahead of Eifert.

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • My Top Five:

    1. Ben Rothlesberger - the Division's most dominant QB has to top my list.
    2. Antonio Brown - as near to uncoverable as there is in the Division.
    3. Joe Thomas - an LT that you never have to worry about? Priceless... ( Hi, Ghoolie)
    4. Marshall Yanda - as dominant an interior OL as there is in the league.
    5. Geno Atkins - when he's healthy, he's the most dominant interior DL in the Division.

    Honorable Mentions:

    • Steelers: Le'Veon Bell, David DeCastro, Maurkice Pouncey, Ryan Shazier
    • Bengals: Gio Bernard, Vonteze Burfict, Tyler Eifert, A.J. Green, Keven Zeitler
    • Ravens: C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell
    • Browns: Gary Barnidge, Joel Bitonio, Andy Lee, Mitchell Schwartz
    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    The GipperT 1 Reply
    • Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell

    Move AJ over.

    Also for the ravens, dumerville/suggs/flacco/smith don't get a mention?

  • Joe Thomas

    Corey Coleman

    Joel Bitonio

    Gary Barnidge

    Duke Johnson

    None better, none more solid.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I'd struggle to put Barnidge as the top TE in the division ahead of Eifert.

    @gftchris said:

    I'd struggle to put Barnidge as the top TE in the division ahead of Eifert.

    Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    I'd struggle to put Barnidge as the top TE in the division ahead of Eifert.

    Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

    @gftchris said:

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

    So he's wrong on the pro bowl attendance side and the production side.

    I'd go Eifert as well

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, correct me if I am wrong....but Barnidge made the Pro Bowl, and Eifert didn't. Let's go on actual production...not just what we think the potential of each player is.

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

    @gftchris said:

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

    ***********************

    Your point isn't valid, - the Bengals' offense has offensive stars. Sure, a te that plays

    in a successful offense with A. G. Green, Jeremy Hill at rb... sure, the offense

    can get a lot more passes to their TE.

  • C calfoxwc

    @gftchris said:

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

    ***********************

    Your point isn't valid, - the Bengals' offense has offensive stars. Sure, a te that plays

    in a successful offense with A. G. Green, Jeremy Hill at rb... sure, the offense

    can get a lot more passes to their TE.

    @calfoxwc said:

    ***********************

    Your point isn't valid, - the Bengals' offense has offensive stars. Sure, a te that plays

    in a successful offense with A. G. Green, Jeremy Hill at rb... sure, the offense

    can get a lot more passes to their TE.

    There's so much wrong in this I don't know where to start.

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  • go ahead, make my hay. Comparing the @ of TD's of one TE on a

    plyaoff team offense to the # of td's by a TE on a poor offensive team...

    there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

    gftChrisG 1 Reply

  • One plays for the Browns and is currently in our good graces. Therefore he is the best.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    My Top Five:

    1. Ben Rothlesberger - the Division's most dominant QB has to top my list.
    2. Antonio Brown - as near to uncoverable as there is in the Division.
    3. Joe Thomas - an LT that you never have to worry about? Priceless... ( Hi, Ghoolie)
    4. Marshall Yanda - as dominant an interior OL as there is in the league.
    5. Geno Atkins - when he's healthy, he's the most dominant interior DL in the Division.

    Honorable Mentions:

    • Steelers: Le'Veon Bell, David DeCastro, Maurkice Pouncey, Ryan Shazier
    • Bengals: Gio Bernard, Vonteze Burfict, Tyler Eifert, A.J. Green, Keven Zeitler
    • Ravens: C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell
    • Browns: Gary Barnidge, Joel Bitonio, Andy Lee, Mitchell Schwartz

    @tour2ma said:

    My Top Five:

    1. Ben Rothlesberger - the Division's most dominant QB has to top my list.
    2. Antonio Brown - as near to uncoverable as there is in the Division.
    3. Joe Thomas - an LT that you never have to worry about? Priceless... ( Hi, Ghoolie)
    4. Marshall Yanda - as dominant an interior OL as there is in the league.
    5. Geno Atkins - when he's healthy, he's the most dominant interior DL in the Division.

    Asked for offense....perhaps a "defense" category can also be done.

    Honorable Mentions:

    • Steelers: Le'Veon Bell, David DeCastro, Maurkice Pouncey, Ryan Shazier
    • Bengals: Gio Bernard, Vonteze Burfict, Tyler Eifert, Keven Zeitler
    • Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell
    • When did AJ Green play for the Ravens?
    • Browns: Gary Barnidge, Joel Bitonio, Andy Lee, Mitchell Schwartz
    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Ben

    Brown

    JT

    Green

    Yanda

    If Haden or Atkins were healthy I'd consider slipping either of them in over Green because they can be that good. However they aren't. Though Geno might round back into form with a full off-season to get healthy.

    Effiert is an elite TE and will probably supplant Yanda on this list soon enough.

  • C calfoxwc

    go ahead, make my hay. Comparing the @ of TD's of one TE on a

    plyaoff team offense to the # of td's by a TE on a poor offensive team...

    there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

    @calfoxwc said:

    go ahead, make my hay. Comparing the @ of TD's of one TE on a

    plyaoff team offense to the # of td's by a TE on a poor offensive team...

    there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

    OK so I'll start with 'AG' Green. Moving on. On 125 targets, Barnidge had 79 receptions (63%), 9 TDs (7.2%) and 1043 yards (8.3 ypr). On 74 targets, Eifert had 52 reception (70%), 13 TDs (25%), and 615 yards (8.3 ypr). The fact that Eifert got so many TDs with such a smaller number of targets can't make him a worse player - Barnidge was one of the only offensive threats we had, and that's reflected in his number of targets. So the idea that Eifert is a lesser player because " the offense

    can get a lot more passes to their TE" is kinda stupid.
    I'm not here to say barnidge is a bad player, I'm glad we have him on our team, but to say he's better than Eifert is a stretch.
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tour2ma said:

    My Top Five:

    1. Ben Rothlesberger - the Division's most dominant QB has to top my list.
    2. Antonio Brown - as near to uncoverable as there is in the Division.
    3. Joe Thomas - an LT that you never have to worry about? Priceless... ( Hi, Ghoolie)
    4. Marshall Yanda - as dominant an interior OL as there is in the league.
    5. Geno Atkins - when he's healthy, he's the most dominant interior DL in the Division.

    Asked for offense....perhaps a "defense" category can also be done.

    Honorable Mentions:

    • Steelers: Le'Veon Bell, David DeCastro, Maurkice Pouncey, Ryan Shazier
    • Bengals: Gio Bernard, Vonteze Burfict, Tyler Eifert, Keven Zeitler
    • Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell
    • When did AJ Green play for the Ravens?
    • Browns: Gary Barnidge, Joel Bitonio, Andy Lee, Mitchell Schwartz

    @the-gipper said:

    Asked for offense....perhaps a "defense" category can also be done.

    Oops....

    @gftchris said:

    • Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell

    Move AJ over.

    Also for the ravens, dumerville/suggs/flacco/smith don't get a mention?

    Suggs and Dummerville are too long in the tooth for me to consider.

    Flacco? No... never have "felt" him.

    Considered Smith, but I thought he'd retired. If he plays, he's in...

    @calfoxwc said:

    there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

    Yes, there is...

    • Barn maximized what he has for one full season.
    • Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.
    • Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

    Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    Asked for offense....perhaps a "defense" category can also be done.

    Oops....

    @gftchris said:

    • Ravens: A.J. Green, C.J. Mosley, Eric Weddell

    Move AJ over.

    Also for the ravens, dumerville/suggs/flacco/smith don't get a mention?

    Suggs and Dummerville are too long in the tooth for me to consider.

    Flacco? No... never have "felt" him.

    Considered Smith, but I thought he'd retired. If he plays, he's in...

    @calfoxwc said:

    there is a lot more to the story than the simple comparison. That's all.

    Yes, there is...

    • Barn maximized what he has for one full season.
    • Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.
    • Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

    Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yes, there is...

    • Barn maximized what he has for one full season.
    • Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.
    • Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

    Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

    OK, my bad. I see that Eifert did make the Pro Bowl last year as well. So, it is a close call between those two.

  • Top 5 defensive Players in the AFCN:

    If you go by this, these are the Pro Bowlers from last year from the division:

    Atkins DT Bengals

    Carlos Dunlap DE Bengals

    Adam Jones DB Bengals

    Elvis Dumerville DE/LB Ravens.

    And that is it. Who would be that 5th best guy....if you buy that the Pro Bowlers above make the grade in the top 5:

    (if Joe Haden were up to form, I would say him...but he is not up to form)

    Burfict?

    Weddle?

    Once upon a time you might of said Timmons of the Steelers...but now? (hell...you might have said James Harrison) How about Heyward?

    Any other defensive standouts in the AFCN? (It actually seems like there is a dearth of real top notch defenders in this division now)

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @gftchris said:

    Well, you *are* wrong, Eifert made the pro bowl (Barnidge was an alternate), and caught 13 TDs to Barnidge's 9. So, there's that.

    So he's wrong on the pro bowl attendance side and the production side.

    I'd go Eifert as well

    @mld-woody said:

    So he's wrong on the pro bowl attendance side and the production side.

    I'd go Eifert as well

    Eifert a much better blocker too.

  • Yes, there is...

    Barn maximized what he has for one full season.

    Eifert is the better athlete and it showed in a healthy, 2015 season.

    Both need to wash, rinse and repeat.

    Greatness at other positions creates competition for touches. Barn 79 receptions; Tyler 52.

    **********************************

    So, Eifert stayed healthy, and that eans he's a better athlete?

    really now.

    Tyler Eifert injury update, recovery timetable and who steps up - Cincy ...

    www.cincyjungle.com/.../tyler-eifert-injury-update-recovery-timetable-w...

    May 25, 2016 - The Bengals were hit with a bombshell Tuesday when word came out that Tyler Eifert's ankle injury from the Pro Bowl would require surgery.

    Tyler Eifert undergoing ankle surgery, expected to undergo 3 month ...

    www.cincyjungle.com/.../tyler-eifert-undergoing-ankle-surgery-expected...

    May 24, 2016 - The surgery is reportedly on the ankle that Eifert injured in the 2016 Pro Bowl, which was thought to be minor at the time, yet apparently was ...

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