Andy Lee Traded to Panthers
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The 4th round pick that came in the deal will more than likely be meaningless.
It's not like the Browns have been a fucking drafting juggernaut over the last decade.
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Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
Have to wonder what Joe Thomas thinks of this...... At the rate they're destroying this team, Joe will be ready to retire by the time they're any good.
In the words of Marvin Gaye, "What's goin' on?"
Either these Harvard guys are way smarter than all of us put together or they have no fucking clue how football works.
I"m rapidly deciding they have no clue. If they want to do the "Suck for Luck" method, they're going about it the right way.
16-0
0-16 Mark. 0-16. Get used to the idea.
Well, they did let go of a OLB and a CB and a few others on that defense as well..
They dealt the punter for the trade value.
Yup- a 2018 4th round pick.
Have to wonder what Joe Thomas thinks of this...... At the rate they're destroying this team, Joe will be ready to retire by the time they're any good.
I"m rapidly deciding they have no clue. If they want to do the "Suck for Luck" method, they're going about it the right way.
0-16 Mark. 0-16. Get used to the idea.
He already would have been, which is why we should have traded him already.
Yes they are. Maybe it won't be for "Luck" (ie a QB), but sucking is still in the best interests of this team long term regardless of position.
You post nude pics so 77Bengal can have something to look at when we win our first game. Deal?
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Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
Grossi seems to agree with you. He was saying today that he doesn't believe it had anything to do with the lazy tackle effort, but instead the opportunity to turn a player who cost a 7th round pick and another 7th round pick into a replacement punter and a 4th round pick. Considering Andy Lee was punting the ball down the oppositions throat last season and the team went 3-13, I don't see the downside here.
Grossi seems to agree with you. He was saying today that he doesn't believe it had anything to do with the lazy tackle effort, but instead the opportunity to turn a player who cost a 7th round pick and another 7th round pick into a replacement punter and a 4th round pick. Considering Andy Lee was punting the ball down the oppositions throat last season and the team went 3-13, I don't see the downside here.
Exactly... we won 3 games with future hall of famer and all world punter Andy Lee on the roster. There's no downside to this. Who fucking cares...its a punter for christs sake.
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Not buying any FO/Hue friction.
Des Bryant? Seem to remember his injury dictating Ogbah's move to DE...
If Horton and Co. burned any bridges, left themselves with limited OLB options, that's on them. It's not as if Krug's poor play snuck up on them overnite.
As for Lee... fits the pattern. On field impact may materialize... Standings impact will be nil...
Messages being sent right and left.
Main one I am seeing is that our latest "players' coach" is more of a myway/highway dick...
Not buying any FO/Hue friction.
Des Bryant? Seem to remember his injury dictating Ogbah's move to DE...
If Horton and Co. burned any bridges, left themselves with limited OLB options, that's on them. It's not as if Krug's poor play snuck up on them overnite.
As for Lee... fits the pattern. On field impact may materialize... Standings impact will be nil...
Main one I am seeing is that our latest "players' coach" is more of a myway/highway dick...
They're not mutually exclusive.
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So, if he's in the loop, he would know Kruger was in line for the first cut....right?
And, this is a fluid process....so they've certainly been grading players all along....not just this week, right?
And the Coach, KNOWING Kruger was gonna get cut and Ogbah would be the OLB, decides to start Kruger all 3 games and play Ogbah at DE only?....with no reps at OLB, even though he is the projected starter?......no reps at OLB during camp either?
Pffft....
So, Ill make it simple.....either he's not in the loop, which is terrible.....OR......he is in the loop and they are just completely stupid and clueless...
There. Understand?
OR, just a CRAZY option B here, they gave the veteran the benefit of the doubt to prove himself in the preseason and let him work to earn his roster spot. When he sucked major ass they cut him. Why would that be stupid and clueless? Literally a blow-up doll would be as effective as Kruger was for a long time. Not having a true replacement isn't some big deal-it's part of the process.
I swear, some of you guys should start making those conspiracy videos on Youtube.
OR, just a CRAZY option B here, they gave the veteran the benefit of the doubt to prove himself in the preseason and let him work to earn his roster spot. When he sucked major ass they cut him. Why would that be stupid and clueless? Literally a blow-up doll would be as effective as Kruger was for a long time. Not having a true replacement isn't some big deal-it's part of the process.
I swear, some of you guys should start making those conspiracy videos on Youtube.
Agreed.
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lol... from Terry Pluto's column:
14. How about this? The Browns received a fourth-round pick for their punter. But the best they could do for Barkevious Mingo was a fifth-rounder from New England. Mingo was the No. 6 pick in the 2013 draft. I expect Patriots coach Bill Belichick will find a role for Mingo. The Boston Globe said it will be on special teams and as a "spot rusher."
Terry also mentions that per PFF a 4th round pick is the highest one traded for a Punter since 1994.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2016/08/cleveland_browns_scribbles_pau.html
lol... from Terry Pluto's column:
14. How about this? The Browns received a fourth-round pick for their punter. But the best they could do for Barkevious Mingo was a fifth-rounder from New England. Mingo was the No. 6 pick in the 2013 draft. I expect Patriots coach Bill Belichick will find a role for Mingo. The Boston Globe said it will be on special teams and as a "spot rusher."
Terry also mentions that per PFF a 4th round pick is the highest one traded for a Punter since 1994.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2016/08/cleveland_browns_scribbles_pau.html
Not that I care, but our fourth-round pick we just got is for 2018 right? Obviously value is lost the further out you get. So it's not quite apples and oranges. (Or was the Patriots trade also for a 2018 pick?)
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It's not about the punter or the punter kicking 80 frickin yards or him not trying to make a tackle....it's about the flippant attitude of throwing out the only talent (which is sad i know) when there is absolutely none besides 2 guys that are on their down side of their career.
I'll tell u this, if brown and depoesta don't turn this around in 2 years every friggin person who believes in analytics will be burning those papers.
It's not about the punter or the punter kicking 80 frickin yards or him not trying to make a tackle....it's about the flippant attitude of throwing out the only talent (which is sad i know) when there is absolutely none besides 2 guys that are on their down side of their career.
I'll tell u this, if brown and depoesta don't turn this around in 2 years every friggin person who believes in analytics will be burning those papers.
Not me. Some of us know it will take longer than that.
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I don't believe the lack of effort has anything to do with this either. This is a good deal no matter how you slice it (unless our team was currently loaded).
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It's not about the punter or the punter kicking 80 frickin yards or him not trying to make a tackle....it's about the flippant attitude of throwing out the only talent (which is sad i know) when there is absolutely none besides 2 guys that are on their down side of their career.
I'll tell u this, if brown and depoesta don't turn this around in 2 years every friggin person who believes in analytics will be burning those papers.
Not me. Some of us know it will take longer than that.
Not me. Some of us know it will take longer than that.
maybe so but if that's the case you'll see a new set of coaches on the sideline.
guarantee it.
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Not buying any FO/Hue friction.
Des Bryant? Seem to remember his injury dictating Ogbah's move to DE...
If Horton and Co. burned any bridges, left themselves with limited OLB options, that's on them. It's not as if Krug's poor play snuck up on them overnite.
As for Lee... fits the pattern. On field impact may materialize... Standings impact will be nil...
Messages being sent right and left.
Main one I am seeing is that our latest "players' coach" is more of a myway/highway dick...
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So, if he's in the loop, he would know Kruger was in line for the first cut....right?
And, this is a fluid process....so they've certainly been grading players all along....not just this week, right?
And the Coach, KNOWING Kruger was gonna get cut and Ogbah would be the OLB, decides to start Kruger all 3 games and play Ogbah at DE only?....with no reps at OLB, even though he is the projected starter?......no reps at OLB during camp either?
Pffft....
So, Ill make it simple.....either he's not in the loop, which is terrible.....OR......he is in the loop and they are just completely stupid and clueless...
There. Understand?
OR, just a CRAZY option B here, they gave the veteran the benefit of the doubt to prove himself in the preseason and let him work to earn his roster spot. When he sucked major ass they cut him. Why would that be stupid and clueless? Literally a blow-up doll would be as effective as Kruger was for a long time. Not having a true replacement isn't some big deal-it's part of the process.
I swear, some of you guys should start making those conspiracy videos on Youtube.
When he sucked major ass they cut him. Why would that be stupid and clueless? Literally a blow-up doll would be as effective as Kruger was for a long time.
Ive explained it 3 times...very clearly.....and you keep missing the whole point....Dont care if Kruger was cut. In fact, I wanted him cut. I care about how they are handling Ogbah and I care that, as you said, Kruger has sucked for a long time. They KNEW he sucked, they had the tape, they've had 4 weeks of camp and 3 games to grade him....and suddenly, he goes from starter to cut.... yet, having all this knowledge, they did not prepare Ogbah for the change. Now, with preseason and camp over, they 'suddenly" decide Ogbah should be moved(again) because they realize they dont have anyone to play the position. Ok?...explained AGAIN.....
Its the moving of Ogbah twice and their lack for forsight with the Kruger cut that bothers me....
Listen....I get whats happening....I understand why.....BUT, also have a right to be critical of moves I dont like and,just because Im critical, doesnt mean I dont get the "why" of it all....just dont like the path or choices so far.....
Look....I been listening to you whine non stop since Ive been here, so I get my moment in the shade too ....ya know?
Not buying any FO/Hue friction.
Des Bryant? Seem to remember his injury dictating Ogbah's move to DE...
Right....Des goes down and they move Ogbah. I was with that 100%. Now Kruger leaves and it's suddenly critical to move Ogbah again?.....My question is why did they wait till this week to notice that?....again....my view...poor or lack of anticipation(or communication)....
If Horton and Co. burned any bridges, left themselves with limited OLB options, that's on them. It's not as if Krug's poor play snuck up on them overnite.
THAT is my whole point.....So, why act like it did???....because their actions suggest just that.....
As for Lee... fits the pattern. On field impact may materialize... Standings impact will be nil...
I have no problem with the Lee trade....
Main one I am seeing is that our latest "players' coach" is more of a myway/highway dick...
lol... from Terry Pluto's column:
14. How about this? The Browns received a fourth-round pick for their punter. But the best they could do for Barkevious Mingo was a fifth-rounder from New England. Mingo was the No. 6 pick in the 2013 draft. I expect Patriots coach Bill Belichick will find a role for Mingo. The Boston Globe said it will be on special teams and as a "spot rusher."
I guess we all know what Kruger is worth on the trade market...eh?.....less than Mingo, less than a punter.....nuff said....
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lol... yup... at least for the pricetag.
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Im sure his contract had everything to do with that too.....7 mil or so.....hahahaha.....
If N.O or K.C sign Krug before game 1 they pay his old 1 year salary due? or After game 1,it's a new deal? There is a sucker born everyday..Tick Tock
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Grossi seems to agree with you. He was saying today that he doesn't believe it had anything to do with the lazy tackle effort, but instead the opportunity to turn a player who cost a 7th round pick and another 7th round pick into a replacement punter and a 4th round pick. Considering Andy Lee was punting the ball down the oppositions throat last season and the team went 3-13, I don't see the downside here.
Exactly... we won 3 games with future hall of famer and all world punter Andy Lee on the roster. There's no downside to this. Who fucking cares...its a punter for christs sake.
Exactly... we won 3 games with future hall of famer and all world punter Andy Lee on the roster. There's no downside to this. Who fucking cares...its a punter for christs sake.
You're right- I don't care anymore.Oh, I'll still go to and watch the games, but I sure as hell am not expecting any wins.
IMHO you can currently count the number of Browns players that would start for a playoff caliber team on your fingers- maybe on one hand.
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Exactly... we won 3 games with future hall of famer and all world punter Andy Lee on the roster. There's no downside to this. Who fucking cares...its a punter for christs sake.
You're right- I don't care anymore.Oh, I'll still go to and watch the games, but I sure as hell am not expecting any wins.
IMHO you can currently count the number of Browns players that would start for a playoff caliber team on your fingers- maybe on one hand.
You're right- I don't care anymore.Oh, I'll still go to and watch the games, but I sure as hell am not expecting any wins.
IMHO you can currently count the number of Browns players that would start for a playoff caliber team on your fingers- maybe on one hand.
I still think this team will win more than last years team and I'm hopeful to be building in the right direction. I'm certainly not going to get all worked up about trading a punter for another punter and a 4th round pick.
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Works pretty well for a coach way up in the north east...
Who, Belichick? Pretty much the exact opposite of a player's coach.
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You're right- I don't care anymore.Oh, I'll still go to and watch the games, but I sure as hell am not expecting any wins.
IMHO you can currently count the number of Browns players that would start for a playoff caliber team on your fingers- maybe on one hand.
I still think this team will win more than last years team and I'm hopeful to be building in the right direction. I'm certainly not going to get all worked up about trading a punter for another punter and a 4th round pick.
I still think this team will win more than last years team and I'm hopeful to be building in the right direction. I'm certainly not going to get all worked up about trading a punter for another punter and a 4th round pick.
Besides we can now put two punters back there and have one punt while the other fakes a run. New version of the pea under the shells game that confuses everyone. Browns FO explain it here.
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You're right- I don't care anymore.Oh, I'll still go to and watch the games, but I sure as hell am not expecting any wins.
IMHO you can currently count the number of Browns players that would start for a playoff caliber team on your fingers- maybe on one hand.
I still think this team will win more than last years team and I'm hopeful to be building in the right direction. I'm certainly not going to get all worked up about trading a punter for another punter and a 4th round pick.
I'm not getting the hysteria over every move this coaching staff and front office make.I still think this team will win more than last years team and I'm hopeful to be building in the right direction. I'm certainly not going to get all worked up about trading a punter for another punter and a 4th round pick.
Kruger was a solid player, but he was getting up there, why the heck would you cut
a new, young player that has more skills, more powerful a rusher?
and Lee... terrific punter. How is it that he doesn't win games by himself?
Oh yeah, it's a team game, and the Browns are building a team. That failure to even
try to cover a punt just said a lot. Bring in another punter, get a 4th round pick,
and continue building a TEAM, where everybody is on the same page, and the best talent
takes the field. How else can they finally build a WINNING FOOTBALL TEAM here in Cleveland
if they don't start doing stuff, making hard choices, bringing in more, better, hungrier,
faster, etc talent?
I also see the Browns winning more games than last season. It takes time to get so much
together.
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