Trump to meet with Mexican president today, before immigration speech

jrb12711

@bbedward said:

I feel like this couldn't be further from the truth. And theres a lot of undecideds.

Literally from the very fox news poll you are clinging to:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/31/fox-news-poll-trump-narrows-clintons-lead.html

"Plus, almost all non-Clinton supporters (87 percent) say they would “never” consider voting for her, and almost all non-Trump folks say the same about him (85 percent)."

so I was off a bit, but that's still damn high. You can live in the world where that's not true if you want, but it is.

OldBrownsFan

I wouldn't underestimate just how unpopular Hillary Clinton is:

Hillary Is Bombing In Her Signature Demographic

Hillary Clinton's "history making" turn as the first female presidential candidate of a major political party (if we discount Victoria Woodhull's candidacy in 1872) hasn't been a home run among one group: women.

Poor Hillary. Women in general haven't been as enamored with the glass ceiling as your typical gender studies major feminist. It could be sexism, but it isn't. Disliking Mrs. Clinton has everything to do with the dishonesty rampant in her professional and personal life over many years.

The latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, which Dan Spencer discussed here, is abysmal for both candidates, since they rate as two of the most unpopular candidates ever. For Hillary, though, the favorability shift from early to late August among women has been drastic. In early August she polled at 54% favorable and 43% unfavorable among her kind. As of late August her likeability among women had taken a 9 point hit, and had changed to 45% favorable and 52% unfavorable. That's quite a difference, and makes quite a statement, especially when you're celebrated as history-making and all that nonsense.

http://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ross/2016/09/01/hillary-bombing-signature-demographic/

bbedward

Hillary's current plan of doing basically nothing except a 10 minute speech here and there is not going to be enough to win her the election, that much I can tell you.

The only reason she's trying the do-nothing strategy, I imagine, is because every time she's broadcasted to the world her favorables go down even further.

Westside Steve

I don't think I agree. I think she is a little bit repugnant in person and wants to keep the public from seeing too much of her while allowing her ad campaign to harp on every word Donald Trump has said in his entire life. The more she talks the creepier she looks.

WSS

LogicIsForSquares

@bbedward said:

Hillary's current plan of doing basically nothing except a 10 minute speech here and there is not going to be enough to win her the election, that much I can tell you.

The only reason she's trying the do-nothing strategy, I imagine, is because every time she's broadcasted to the world her favorables go down even further.

She doesn't have to campaign. MSNBC and CNN will do it all for her while pushing the Trump is a nazi buffoon narrative. If Trump even sniffs being within 10 points of her at election time, I will be amazed.

VaporTrail

@jrb12711 said:

I would seriously bet you a crisp $20 bill that won't happen in any major respected poll outside of the LA Times. I do actually give kudos to ol' Trump for doing this but (asking seriously here) do you really think it's going to change anyone's mind about the dude? I'll even give you the ones I always look at (and everyone else does too): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

The simple reason Trump is going to lose is the same reason Obama won. Trump surged in the primaries because the minority vote wasn't voting in them. I guarantee just like Obama this population will be in droves and they won't be voting for Trump. I literally don't care anymore, I hate both of these clowns almost equally so I'm not playing favorites. But Trump isn't going to win.

~~Obama~~ Trump won in ~~2012~~ 2016 because the biggest selling point ~~Mitt Romney~~ Crooked Hillary had is that he wasn't ~~Obama~~ Trump. No one actually liked ~~Romney~~ Crooked Hillary enough to want to vote for him, and ~~Obama~~ Trump had a rabid fan base voting for him because he was ~~black~~ an asshole who doesn't care who he offends.

OldBrownsFan

Donald Trump has pulled ahead of Hillary Clinton again nationally, according to one poll released Thursday.

According to Rasmussen’s latest polling, Trump is at 40 percent, Clinton is at 39 percent, Libertarian Gary Johnson is at 7 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein is at 3 percent. Three percent in the poll are supporting someone else while 7 percent say they are still undecided.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/01/delete-it-hillary-is-a-not-so-smooth-criminal-in-this-michael-jackson-themed-parody-video/#ixzz4J1qnLou1

jrb12711

@vaportrail said:
~~Obama~~ Trump won in ~~2012~~ 2016 because the biggest selling point ~~Mitt Romney~~ Crooked Hillary had is that he wasn't ~~Obama~~ Trump. No one actually liked ~~Romney~~ Crooked Hillary enough to want to vote for him, and ~~Obama~~ Trump had a rabid fan base voting for him because he was ~~black~~ an asshole who doesn't care who he offends.

And this "rabid fan base" population is less than the population (minorities and never trump people) I referred to in this comment. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see a record number of Hispanic votes, and I think we know which way they will pick.

I really hope you guys don't think this is a "never Trump" thing because it's not. It's just what the United States is a population of people. I'm not voting for either, and I don't care what that means for the future of the office. I cannot vote for either person in good faith. I can just see through all the crap and realize Trump is going to lose, and it likely won't even be close.

Until the GOP realizes old rich white dudes who make seemingly racist or otherwise out of touch comments (remember 47% of the population won't vote for me so I don't care?) DON'T WIN, expect more democrats in the white house.

bbedward

@jrb12711 said:
Trump is going to lose, and it likely won't even be close.

I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

Can't say no to free beer.

Clevfan4life

The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven

How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

bbedward

@clevfan4life said:
The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven
How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

jrb12711

@bbedward said:

I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

Can't say no to free beer.

Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

I thank you in advance for those my friend.

Clevfan4life

@bbedward said:
You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

0-2. Wanna make a 3rd unfounded assumption so you can go sit back in the dugout?

bbedward

@jrb12711 said:

Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

I thank you in advance for those my friend.

Cleveland, we have many of the best breweries of course - we need our beer.

bbedward

@clevfan4life said:
0-2. Wanna make a 3rd unfounded assumption so you can go sit back in the dugout?

Tbh fam your political opinions seem to change on the daily.

One day you're talking about white privilege, one day you're a libertarian and the next you're a socialist, talk about gun control then go buy an ar-15 the next day.

I don't think they're unfounded.

Clevfan4life

Ive "never" advocated a gun ban. What u falsely remember of my talk of gun control is of pissibly introducing more stringent qualifications akin to what tje military requires. But even with that those were just ideas i was throwing around.

And ive been open and honest how my views on guns have slid somewhat to the right because of #zombiesarecoming

Clevfan4life

Oh and i shoot a grown mans round miss me with that ar 15 talk

Tour2ma

@bbedward said:

I'm looking forward to sipping some cold texas beers after November 8th.

Expect Trump to take the lead in the polls by the end of next week, and never look back.

One way or the other that is likely to happen... maybe even in time for Thanksgiving. Just found a local micro that does some nice porters...

@bbedward said:
Trump is virtually tied in the latest fox poll, who is A rated by 538.

Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

@bbedward said:
And theres a lot of undecideds.

Agree... and these are the last to get engaged.

I know Trump is doing nothing to gain them, but do they know that?

Meanwhile HRC is "reaching" beyond them to disenfranchised GOP. Could be folly...

bbedward

@tour2ma said:

Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

Trump is certainly trending upwards, pretty big climb in only a few short weeks.

I suspect Hillary's camp is in a war room frantically figuring out how to stop that trend.

Trump's biggest weakness are the words "dangerous" and "unpresidential" He's been doing his best to prove otherwise, and succeeding so far.

The first debate will enormous, likely being the most watched in history.

VaporTrail

@jrb12711 said:

Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

I thank you in advance for those my friend.

Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.