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  • The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven

    How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

    Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

  • The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven

    How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

    Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

    @clevfan4life said:

    The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven
    How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

    Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

    You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Trump is going to lose, and it likely won't even be close.

    I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

    Can't say no to free beer.

    @bbedward said:

    I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

    Can't say no to free beer.

    Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

    I thank you in advance for those my friend.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    The fact that trump hasnt already closed this deal gven
    How much people loathe hillary at this point, speaks volumes how much people font like trump. Ed seemingly cannot accept this plainly evident reality.

    Me personally im not voting for either of them. If trump wins great, show me something in 4 years. If he remains the asshat he's been ill literally go door to door campaining for whatever runs against him in 4 years.

    You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

    @bbedward said:

    You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

    0-2. Wanna make a 3rd unfounded assumption so you can go sit back in the dugout?

  • @bbedward said:

    I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

    Can't say no to free beer.

    Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

    I thank you in advance for those my friend.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

    I thank you in advance for those my friend.

    Cleveland, we have many of the best breweries of course - we need our beer.

  • @bbedward said:

    You're the type of guy who'd bitch about Trump bringing the parents of people killed by illegal immigrants on stage, but cheer and cry when Obama brings the parents of people killed by guns on stage to push gun control.

    0-2. Wanna make a 3rd unfounded assumption so you can go sit back in the dugout?

    @clevfan4life said:

    0-2. Wanna make a 3rd unfounded assumption so you can go sit back in the dugout?

    Tbh fam your political opinions seem to change on the daily.

    One day you're talking about white privilege, one day you're a libertarian and the next you're a socialist, talk about gun control then go buy an ar-15 the next day.

    I don't think they're unfounded.

  • Ive "never" advocated a gun ban. What u falsely remember of my talk of gun control is of pissibly introducing more stringent qualifications akin to what tje military requires. But even with that those were just ideas i was throwing around.

    And ive been open and honest how my views on guns have slid somewhat to the right because of #zombiesarecoming

  • Oh and i shoot a grown mans round miss me with that ar 15 talk

  • @tour2ma said:

    VT, you know you can shrink the font size, don't you?

    1. No... Trump called him "a friend". Nieto never reciprocated. (link to transcript below)
    2. Yes.
    3. Not exactly... and certainly not based upon Trump's US-centric views. Nieto pointed out the size of the US market in Mexico and the number of American jobs dependent upon that access.
    4. ... but then he gave the "big speech".

    http://time.com/4475102/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-transcript/

    I'm looking forward to sipping some cold texas beers after November 8th.

    Expect Trump to take the lead in the polls by the end of next week, and never look back.

    @bbedward said:

    I'm looking forward to sipping some cold texas beers after November 8th.

    Expect Trump to take the lead in the polls by the end of next week, and never look back.

    One way or the other that is likely to happen... maybe even in time for Thanksgiving. Just found a local micro that does some nice porters...

    @bbedward said:

    Trump is virtually tied in the latest fox poll, who is A rated by 538.

    Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

    @bbedward said:

    And theres a lot of undecideds.

    Agree... and these are the last to get engaged.

    I know Trump is doing nothing to gain them, but do they know that?

    Meanwhile HRC is "reaching" beyond them to disenfranchised GOP. Could be folly...

  • @bbedward said:

    I'm looking forward to sipping some cold texas beers after November 8th.

    Expect Trump to take the lead in the polls by the end of next week, and never look back.

    One way or the other that is likely to happen... maybe even in time for Thanksgiving. Just found a local micro that does some nice porters...

    @bbedward said:

    Trump is virtually tied in the latest fox poll, who is A rated by 538.

    Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

    @bbedward said:

    And theres a lot of undecideds.

    Agree... and these are the last to get engaged.

    I know Trump is doing nothing to gain them, but do they know that?

    Meanwhile HRC is "reaching" beyond them to disenfranchised GOP. Could be folly...

    @tour2ma said:

    Good... I can use 538. Odds for HRC have dropped from 4:1 to 3:1 over the past week.

    Trump is certainly trending upwards, pretty big climb in only a few short weeks.

    I suspect Hillary's camp is in a war room frantically figuring out how to stop that trend.

    Trump's biggest weakness are the words "dangerous" and "unpresidential" He's been doing his best to prove otherwise, and succeeding so far.

    The first debate will enormous, likely being the most watched in history.

  • @bbedward said:

    I already bet Tour a case of beer, but I'd be willing to do another.

    Can't say no to free beer.

    Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

    I thank you in advance for those my friend.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

    I thank you in advance for those my friend.

    Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

  • They're also assuming all the blacks will come out in droves to vote for some fat old white bitch like they did for Obammy. Won't happen.

  • They're also assuming all the blacks will come out in droves to vote for some fat old white bitch like they did for Obammy. Won't happen.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    They're also assuming all the blacks will come out in droves to vote for some fat old white bitch like they did for Obammy. Won't happen.

    While I believe that Trump is going to win in a landslide, I think that they'd have a solid case against that argument. I just don't think there is enough evidence at this moment to call it a cut and clear hillary victory.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    Where do you live? I'm a big craft beer guy-I'll go a 12 pack of South Florida's finest against a 12 pack of the best local brews in your area.

    I thank you in advance for those my friend.

    Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

    @vaportrail said:

    Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

    I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

    I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

    If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

  • @vaportrail said:

    Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

    I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

    I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

    If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

    I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

    If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

    Which really is hilarious because Hillary is bought and paid for and controlled by old rich white people. And beholden to them. She only pandas to the dregs.

    WSS

  • 50-60% of the population actually turns out to vote for a presidential election

  • Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.

  • Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the dems did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Does the GOP need to reach out more to minority voters yes but if that involves embracing hate groups like black lives matter and cater to that group like the they did at the DNC convention then no thanks...that is a bridge too far.

    Give Trump credit for trying at least.

    Of course the headlines that run about it are like: "Trump is shamelessly pandering to minorities", "Trump thinks minorities are stupid", or "What can Trump do for minority communites? Nothing"

    But the idea that inner city minority communitites have been voting Democrat for 50 years and they're worse off than they ever were is probably the best line of attack Trump can take.

  • @vaportrail said:

    Saved for November. I can't for the life of me see why you guys think this will be a lock for Hillary. You've already ruled out so many possibilities, including a strong debate performance by Trump. You're assuming that the size of the silent Trump voters will be negligible (see Brexit as to why it won't be). You're assuming that the polls and trends from previous years will hold true for this year.

    I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

    I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

    If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

    @jrb12711 said:

    I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

    I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

    If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

    You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.

  • @jrb12711 said:

    I said it before (and validated it in this thread) but strong debates on either side just don't matter. People either Hate Trump, Hate Hilldawg, or hate both. There's no inbetween like there often is in other elections, and someone "winning" a debate I seriously doubt will have any impact.

    I'm not too sure Brexit and this are the same thing either. Great Britain has a 87% white population, whereas the U.S. is around 63%. You are STRONGLY underestimating (and so has the GOP for over a decade now) what the minority vote means in this country. I know this isn't the best way to do it, but let's assume that even 40% of the white population will vote Trump and 20 some odd % Hillary. What do you honestly think the minority vote will look like, especially in the Hispanic demographic? Black and Hispanic voters my guess will be over 95% for Hillary. That's the type of thing that swings the elections and the reason Obama was two-term president and Hillary will win easily this November.

    If I've said it once I've said it 100 times. Until the GOP realizes old, rich white people will no longer win in this country they will not control the White House.

    You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.

    @vaportrail said:

    You're a little late if you think that the GOP is the party for old, rich white people - those folks are the never Trumpers. Trump has hijacked the party and taken all of their favored candidates out of contention. It's not the old, rich white people who are going to give Trump the election; it's the pissed off, poor white people. If he increases the voter turnout in that demographic as much as I think he will, he really will only need marginal gains among minorities, women, and the college educated to get the win.

    One of the latest polls had Trump polling at just over 20% of African Americans nationwide..

    That would be significantly more than Romney or McCain got