***Official Browns @ Eagles Game Day Thread***
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Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
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Here's the problem. We not only purged the awful (Mingo & Gilbert) we let guys like Mack & Schwartz take a hike too. What us realists realized way back that it WAS going to be a pretty suckful year- and there were, and are some notable sunshine pumpers here saying- nope, it's all going to be different. Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid. Like what the hell did they expect?
Oh, those old guys will be done in 5 years? then if you're going to suck don't do it half-ass. Dump Haden and Thomas and go for the 100% rebuild.
I for one didn't buy the corporate BS for a second- that we're trying to compete this year. Like hell you are.
PS I'm with you RG III is most likely a Hue-ge mistake. I wanted Wentz, and game one, he didn't disappoint my expectations.
Mack was leaving no matter what. Dude did not wanna be here and no money would have kept him. Schwartz I agree was a misstep but thats about it.
The suits have to say they are trying to win, cause what else would they say? They are not going to come out and say we plan to blow. It was clear this was the plan since draft night.
To your point, dont be surprised at all if haden and or thomas get traded.
Mack was leaving no matter what. Dude did not wanna be here and no money would have kept him.
This is truth.
And our defense sucked as the highest paid D in the league....so it sucks cheaper now.
And RG3 is still a stupid guy...for trying to run over a defender. (I understand it was mostly frustration....but stupid is stupid).
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We cannot judge Wentz by one game...especially considering it was against our D which is just trying to get it's feet underneath them.
This was ONE game. It was bad....but we cannot be surprised by that. After all, we've been through enough resets before. We should know what to expect by now, NO?
What we are looking for is improvement as the season wears on.
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Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
If it were me, I would (drop Haden and Thomas). They've obviously made the calculation that keeping a few (a number you could literally count with one hand) is valuable to the development of the younger guys. You're telling me if we dumped Thomas and Haden you'd stop crying like a woman? Yeah, sure.
If you didn't buy the BS, then what the hell are you mad about?
I love how you guys crow about how we suck so bad (which is true), but are using a game against our defense as validation that Wentz is awesome. Hilarious.
Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
Well, I don't. Because whining about it in every thread does nothing to help, and in fact it only gets us farther from our goal as you fan the flames of frustration in others which, if they smolder enough, lead to premature firings.
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Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
I'm more interested in watching the opposition at this point. I took off work tomorrow, watching all the throws from Robert right now.
Vintage Jim Schwartz. He might be one of the very best in the league at creating pressure with four man fronts and getting creative with as little blitzing as possible.
He was very ready for a lot of the tells on our formations, personnel groupings and patterns. To the point where defenders early on are just watching RG3's eyes and falling off assignments very early.
I like coach Horton, I respect his designs. Schwartz was the guy I wanted though and it sucks seeing Philly's defense could actually take a step forward in year 1.
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Glad you agree that the Browns defense sucks. Wentz looked like he was playing against Western Illinois.
Mad? apparently some folks here don't get the difference between MAD and (1-17 in openers since 1999) years worth of cumulative frustration. FWIW, I had a great time at my pal's house (as usual) with good company, good food, and lots of good wine. I (correctly) pegged the game was over, Grover- after Wentz walked the Eagles through our non-defense on the first drive, and then RG and the keystone Kops went three and out the next two times they had the ball. I've said it before in other threads- it's not very good for my health getting MAD about a team so devoid of talent it's a virtual guarantee they're going to suck on Sunday.
You know what I'm crying about? That some of us old timers are going to have to live through another embarrassing season of crap football in the (faint) hope in 3-5 years this team will have turned the corner. Some of us can still remember when the Browns were the powerhouse of the NFL- not the standing joke they've devolved into. Carolina went to the Super Bowl, hit bedrock- and was back to the SB, while we've been sucking swampwater. Hope you can understand that POV.
Well, I don't. Because whining about it in every thread does nothing to help, and in fact it only gets us farther from our goal as you fan the flames of frustration in others which, if they smolder enough, lead to premature firings.
Well, I don't. Because whining about it in every thread does nothing to help, and in fact it only gets us farther from our goal as you fan the flames of frustration in others which, if they smolder enough, lead to premature firings.
As far as a "goal" there isn't a damn thing in the world, I can do either positively or negatively to effect that outcome. I haven't been asked for input from the FO. If you want to take my observations as whining- so be it.
FWIW, I don't need to fan any flames. A large percentage of the fanbase is as fed up as I am- or worse. We're talking season ticket holders with decades of seniority. Stan- our Board Owner dropped his because he deemed (probably rightly) it was a waste of money. Only reason I haven't dropped mine is because it would be financially impossible to buy back into my location if the Browns ever start playing well again. So there's that- we can't hardly give away our seats on a ticket exchange because apathy is so rampant among the potentially paying customers. Unless you count the fans of the visiting teams that are willing to take them off our hands- cheap. I haven't (at least overtly) called for anyone to be fired- yet. Questioning FO decisions is part of being a fan. Or do you just not get- how many times we've seen things blown up, only to be let down again? Goes with the territory to get mighty cynical getting fed the same old line- THIS time it's going to be different. If you're expecting me to get on board the happy train to the future, you're going to be disappointed. Until I see something to be happy about. I said it before- I'm no longer going to be singing kumbaya around the campfire when the losses start piling up. If I see bad play- it's going to get pointed out. If I see good individual plays, I'll give credit where it's due. If I see my team getting doubled in time of possession, I'm supposed to just blow it all off and say, well, we're learning? Some of those guys get paid more in a year than I'll make in a lifetime.
I haven't been over there yet- but I would bet you $100 bucks right now there's a few dozen posters on Cleveland.com wanting to run Sashi and DePodesta out of town on a rail for passing on Wentz.
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The general temperature of the fans gets factored into decisions, especially around here. You want to hide behind this "the FO hasn't asked my opinion" crap like that's the only way you can affect their decision making.
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Ups and Downs. Plenty of downs. Let's see:
Rough first quarter. No pressure on the rookie QB, and pass D non existent. Down
Good response and adjustments in the second quarter from the D. Up
A couple of big plays on O in that second quarter. Up.
Still went in at the half down 13-7. Down.
Came out quite strong after the half with a good drive, putting points on the board, then got the stop immediately and got the ball back. We looked like a mediocre football team... Biggest Up.
Cam Erving happened. Down.
Our D played worse and worse afterwards. Down
Our O couldn't get anything going. Down
We were stuck with poor field position all day, with our O going 3 and out, or 5 and out, and our D not doing the same to them. Down
Our run game actually wasn't horrible - 15 rushes from Duke and Crow for 84 yards, (5.6 ypc), and RG3 picked up good yards on the ground. Up
Our passing game was horrible. Two big plays to Pryor and Coleman, combined for 102 yards. Outside of that, RG3 was 10-24, for 88 yards. Biggest down
Carl Nassib and Ogbah showed up, look like they will be contributors. Up
Our DL didn't look much, and we let them get off some big runs, particularly Barner. Down
Our pass D was horrible. Literally abysmal. We will get absolutely shredded, and that's *if* Haden can stay healthy. If not, look out for opposition offenses not even having to take advantage of our leaky run D. Down.
No stupid penalties - 12 men on the field, illegal formation etc. Well, one, Pryor lining up 6 inches too far forward - I'll let him off that if he learns from it. Up
Tackling. Or rather, lack of. A lot of times we were in position to make a tackle (up!) but didn't wrap up. It looks like we have about 4 players who can tackle properly and they're DBs and ILBs. Down
It's going to be a long season, folks. Our pass D is starting off bad, outside of about 20 minutes (second quarter and early third). Our pas O is worse at the moment. Our run game is ok, actually, but that won't last if we can't get something going through the air.
I *hope* that by about game 6 or 7, we start to actually look like a team that has what it takes to play in this league, otherwise we'll see a lot of trading back in next year's draft and picking up a lot more players.
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I did see a Sumo wrestler on our D line. That didn't work too well though. Maybe we should try a few Amish guys on the team now. They're about as tough a group as you can get. I live in NE Ohio and the pitchforks and torches are getting broke out early. I wonder what the anal guys are thinking now? ohh, I know....lets raise ticket prices. Throw da bums out now and hire some clown from the woods. He couldn't do much worse
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Shelton was the 5th highest graded Brown defender per PFF. Kirksey and Davis were 1 and 2..
I'm more interested in watching the opposition at this point. I took off work tomorrow, watching all the throws from Robert right now.
Vintage Jim Schwartz. He might be one of the very best in the league at creating pressure with four man fronts and getting creative with as little blitzing as possible.
He was very ready for a lot of the tells on our formations, personnel groupings and patterns. To the point where defenders early on are just watching RG3's eyes and falling off assignments very early.
I like coach Horton, I respect his designs. Schwartz was the guy I wanted though and it sucks seeing Philly's defense could actually take a step forward in year 1.
I'm more interested in watching the opposition at this point. I took off work tomorrow, watching all the throws from Robert right now.
Vintage Jim Schwartz. He might be one of the very best in the league at creating pressure with four man fronts and getting creative with as little blitzing as possible.
He was very ready for a lot of the tells on our formations, personnel groupings and patterns. To the point where defenders early on are just watching RG3's eyes and falling off assignments very early.
I like coach Horton, I respect his designs. Schwartz was the guy I wanted though and it sucks seeing Philly's defense could actually take a step forward in year 1.
hell, i liked schwartz as a HC candidate.
i say pull mangini out of retirement, have pettine run the D and hue the offense, no wait.
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Honestly.. STFU. Take a year off. Watch the rewind. Haden made plays.Our OL pass protection did not give up a sack till 3rd Quarter adjustments not matched by us. Than with time & score, both sides of the ball up front were gassed..Some hope for better around here but, you have not 1 post of a real fan..Get off Our Lawn!!
poor little gumby....still the iq of a vegetable...
poor little gumby....still the iq of a vegetable...
poor little gumhead...he thought that fake punt was a great call...heheheheee...fucking moron thinks our oline is good...what a football moron .....
Yoa, "I only Bitch52". My positive post will be here weekly. Don't ask someones opinion, than make it that i said anything about "great or good"..You are the pricks on this board that just got my attention All 17 Weeks..Enjoy the Ride..I will..
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poor little gumby....still the iq of a vegetable...
poor little gumhead...he thought that fake punt was a great call...heheheheee...fucking moron thinks our oline is good...what a football moron .....
Yoa, "I only Bitch52". My positive post will be here weekly. Don't ask someones opinion, than make it that i said anything about "great or good"..You are the pricks on this board that just got my attention All 17 Weeks..Enjoy the Ride..I will..
I admire your optimism Gumby. You can at least escape the negativity. Here the fans are getting squirrely...with cause. I want to see them win too. Go in the hardware store, circle k or any store or shop and it's pitchfork and torch burning time. At least the weather is good, the Tribe is good, the Cavs should be. You need to be about 30 to remember the Browns as anything other than the NFL jv squad. Dee is running around town having sex in the back seat of the limo while Jimmy drives...oh the fun! at least in NC they like to talk civil war battles, but that don't happen here.Yoa, "I only Bitch52". My positive post will be here weekly. Don't ask someones opinion, than make it that i said anything about "great or good"..You are the pricks on this board that just got my attention All 17 Weeks..Enjoy the Ride..I will..
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circle k? haven't seen one of those since i left po-dunk az.
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circle k? haven't seen one of those since i left po-dunk az.
I think you have that confused with circle-j mik.
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circle k? haven't seen one of those since i left po-dunk az.
Welcome to podunk oh mik. There are 2 of em within 3 miles of me. At one time they were Lawson stores.....back in the days of real Cleveland Browns football and redcap beer. Its so bad now that even the stool fans say good luck and mean it when I wear Browns gear. That is the bottom of the barrel for me
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I think you have that confused with circle-j mik.
Something unique to Texas?
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While getting a rare Monday off from work, I was listening to Cleveland sports radio this morning.
It was at 7:15 the station received its first "fire Hue" caller.
I don't care who the HC is, but damn we can't keep firing coaches every year or two.
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let's say the Browns had drafted Wentz. Do you honestly think he would have looked that good on the Browns behind a shitty O-line and with our receiver corps? Part of the reason Wentz looked so good is because our secondary is shit and he wasn't constantly on the run from our guys bringing pressure. Nassib, Ogbah and Kirksey had some moments but it takes more than 1 or 2 good plays to win.
I get what the new FO is trying to do but I'm getting very impatient, getting very sick of building for the future instead of building for now. The Browns are more than just 1 QB away. The Browns need good offensive and defensive linemen, a good secondary (Tramon Williams can't keep up with anyone anymore and Haden is not getting any younger), and some linebackers that can actually pressure a QB. Offense seems a bit further along (I know I know, not one first down in the 1st quarter but hear me out), Crowell was finding gaps and I saw him make a few good blocks that bought RG3 some time, and I like the long passes to Coleman and Pryor. I think the playmakers are there, they just need to get the timing between QB and receivers worked out. Once RG3 gets injured and McCown takes over I think there will be lots of improvement on that side of the ball, at least McCown could get first downs.
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my point is these rebuilds shouldn't take this long. i mean 1999? there has to be some meat on the bone from other regimes where the new regime just doesn't throw it all out and then start from scratch. amazing how the good teams might be thin one year at a position, draft or acquire and then they are back on top. yet the browns franchise just can't figure it out?
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