***Official Browns @ Eagles Game Day Thread***
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From Daryl Ruiter. . .
Justin Gilbert was a DNP for #Steelers & Barkevious Mingo received 0 defensive snaps, 21 on special teams for #Patriots
From Daryl Ruiter. . .
Justin Gilbert was a DNP for #Steelers & Barkevious Mingo received 0 defensive snaps, 21 on special teams for #Patriots
Let's add to that ....
Paul Kruger 1 tackle , zero qb pressures, hits or sacks.
Our new punter: 50 yards per kick.
Four guys we didn't need for a 4th, 5th and 6th ... And contracts dumped.
Impressive stuff.
(And a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth for nothing).
Z
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Bacon, ain't nothing but a hound???
That dart was thrown out among the arrows after the game aftermath..I was in the Conklin,Decker or Ryan Kelley draft party. Only support I can give you drafting C. Coleman is we got the player, Shon Coleman(gave up our 6th in 2016 to tits & gained Tennessee's 2nd round pick in 2017. I elect you at the podium for our pick in Philly Draft..(phiily draft,,yes Roger still hates Cleveland,Tic Cock) I feel like I'm the cop in The Usual Suspects, "in english please"
I feel like I'm the cop in The Usual Suspects, "in english please"
I feel like I'm the teacher that passed me in English.. Na Nu Na Nu. Bottom line of my interest should explain. Or try reading than comprehending slowly . Re- Typing with a stub can be a bitch..
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Interesting defensive snap count breakdown from DBN - http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/9/12/12882504/browns-defensive-snap-counts-and-stats-vs-eagles
Things that jump out:
- Carl Nassib led DL with 70%
- Xavier Cooper and Jamie Meder both had more snaps than Danny Shelton
- Ogbah was the single starter, with 73% of the snaps, while Schobert and Orchard split time (38% + 34%)
- Campbell played every snap at safety, while Poyer got 75% and Kindred 30% - with 5, 6 and 5 tackles each. Yes, Kindred got 5 tackles in a fraction of the snaps. Could be a keeper.
- We were in nickel D most of the time. Haden, Taylor and Williams each got plenty of action.
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Now that I've had time to think about McCown starting, I'm a little upset that we didn't trade him when we had the chance. Josh can play some ball, and while he's obviously far from perfect, he can still sling it. He'll push the ball downfield, be decently accurate, and hang tough in the pocket (sometimes TOO tough). He'll move the offense pretty well, but stall inside the red zone because we don't have enough viable targets yet. Lots of field goals, lots of field goals...
Josh might play well enough to knock us out of the top draft spot, and that's the problem. If your team is going to suck, why not COMPLETELY suck? We drafted Cody Kessler for a reason, so why not throw his ass in there? Baptism by fire...sink or swim. If by a miracle he turns out to show promise, then we hit the lottery. If he's not progressing, then we can draft whoever we want with the top pick. But McCown might catch fire a few times this year and win 4-5 games. That somewhat scares me.
On the other hand, Josh might make us more watchable, and that's a good thing. Many of us spend big bucks each year watching our team, going to games, or whatever. Josh moving the chains and putting some points on the board might make us a lot more fun to tolerate. Perhaps McCown gives us the best opportunity to truly evaluate our cupboard full of new receivers, and that is definitely a good thing.
I remember thinking last year, "Man...McCown can really sling the ball. I wonder what he could do with a guy like Josh Gordon?" Well, it appears like we might get that chance to see what Josh cooks up with an elite talent. We're going to be down a bunch of points in many games, and that means we're going to have to throw the ball. If you have Josh Gordon on your fantasy team, his value just went way up. This is also good for Corey Coleman. Nobody liked watching his awful drop last week, but Josh will be good for the kid. He'll settle him down and build a working relationship. Josh might be the best thing for Coleman, and it's about time a first round draft pick showed their worth in Cleveland. Fingers crossed.
Defense wasn't that terrible against the Eagles, and they appeared to get drained by the end of the game. Biggest problem was they didn't force turnovers. Had some chances too...
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Now that I've had time to think about McCown starting, I'm a little upset that we didn't trade him when we had the chance. Josh can play some ball, and while he's obviously far from perfect, he can still sling it. He'll push the ball downfield, be decently accurate, and hang tough in the pocket (sometimes TOO tough). He'll move the offense pretty well, but stall inside the red zone because we don't have enough viable targets yet. Lots of field goals, lots of field goals...
Josh might play well enough to knock us out of the top draft spot, and that's the problem. If your team is going to suck, why not COMPLETELY suck? We drafted Cody Kessler for a reason, so why not throw his ass in there? Baptism by fire...sink or swim. If by a miracle he turns out to show promise, then we hit the lottery. If he's not progressing, then we can draft whoever we want with the top pick. But McCown might catch fire a few times this year and win 4-5 games. That somewhat scares me.
On the other hand, Josh might make us more watchable, and that's a good thing. Many of us spend big bucks each year watching our team, going to games, or whatever. Josh moving the chains and putting some points on the board might make us a lot more fun to tolerate. Perhaps McCown gives us the best opportunity to truly evaluate our cupboard full of new receivers, and that is definitely a good thing.
I remember thinking last year, "Man...McCown can really sling the ball. I wonder what he could do with a guy like Josh Gordon?" Well, it appears like we might get that chance to see what Josh cooks up with an elite talent. We're going to be down a bunch of points in many games, and that means we're going to have to throw the ball. If you have Josh Gordon on your fantasy team, his value just went way up. This is also good for Corey Coleman. Nobody liked watching his awful drop last week, but Josh will be good for the kid. He'll settle him down and build a working relationship. Josh might be the best thing for Coleman, and it's about time a first round draft pick showed their worth in Cleveland. Fingers crossed.
Defense wasn't that terrible against the Eagles, and they appeared to get drained by the end of the game. Biggest problem was they didn't force turnovers. Had some chances too...
Now that I've had time to think about McCown starting, I'm a little upset that we didn't trade him when we had the chance. Josh can play some ball, and while he's obviously far from perfect, he can still sling it. He'll push the ball downfield, be decently accurate, and hang tough in the pocket (sometimes TOO tough). He'll move the offense pretty well, but stall inside the red zone because we don't have enough viable targets yet. Lots of field goals, lots of field goals...
Josh might play well enough to knock us out of the top draft spot, and that's the problem. If your team is going to suck, why not COMPLETELY suck? We drafted Cody Kessler for a reason, so why not throw his ass in there? Baptism by fire...sink or swim. If by a miracle he turns out to show promise, then we hit the lottery. If he's not progressing, then we can draft whoever we want with the top pick. But McCown might catch fire a few times this year and win 4-5 games. That somewhat scares me.
On the other hand, Josh might make us more watchable, and that's a good thing. Many of us spend big bucks each year watching our team, going to games, or whatever. Josh moving the chains and putting some points on the board might make us a lot more fun to tolerate. Perhaps McCown gives us the best opportunity to truly evaluate our cupboard full of new receivers, and that is definitely a good thing.
I remember thinking last year, "Man...McCown can really sling the ball. I wonder what he could do with a guy like Josh Gordon?" Well, it appears like we might get that chance to see what Josh cooks up with an elite talent. We're going to be down a bunch of points in many games, and that means we're going to have to throw the ball. If you have Josh Gordon on your fantasy team, his value just went way up. This is also good for Corey Coleman. Nobody liked watching his awful drop last week, but Josh will be good for the kid. He'll settle him down and build a working relationship. Josh might be the best thing for Coleman, and it's about time a first round draft pick showed their worth in Cleveland. Fingers crossed.
Defense wasn't that terrible against the Eagles, and they appeared to get drained by the end of the game. Biggest problem was they didn't force turnovers. Had some chances too...
Now that Josh is starting you wish we would have traded him?
You guys that think we have to 0-16 to get good perplex me. Like we have to be super-bad to put ourself in position to get the right draft picks.
We have been Super Bad for years! It's not about drafting in the right spot, it's about drafting the right players.
I could care less about next years draft right now. I am excited to watch these young guys we have learn in Hue's system and then we will restock next year and hopefully draft the right guys and be much better.
Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Let's go out and play football and be the best team we can be. The front office is doing a great job accumulating draft picks, don't worry about where we end up, look for progress, look for signs, look for the talent that is on the field and how it is being brought along. We've got two first rounders, we will be players in the draft. Let's hope Josh beats Baltimore and move forward from there.
Zombo
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Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Precisely....which is why I advocate for a veteran backup. Development is the key to this team. Give the other young guys a chance.
If we had a much more veteran, capable team around Kessler I would be in favor of him taking over perhaps in the event of an injury to McC. But we don't have that kind of team. That would be the blind leading the blind.
Let us have a guide dog in a veteran QB so that all our little eggs can hatch instead of being stolen by the fox of insecurity.
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Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Precisely....which is why I advocate for a veteran backup. Development is the key to this team. Give the other young guys a chance.
If we had a much more veteran, capable team around Kessler I would be in favor of him taking over perhaps in the event of an injury to McC. But we don't have that kind of team. That would be the blind leading the blind.
Let us have a guide dog in a veteran QB so that all our little eggs can hatch instead of being stolen by the fox of insecurity.
Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Precisely....which is why I advocate for a veteran backup. Development is the key to this team. Give the other young guys a chance.
If we had a much more veteran, capable team around Kessler I would be in favor of him taking over perhaps in the event of an injury to McC. But we don't have that kind of team. That would be the blind leading the blind.
Let us have a guide dog in a veteran QB so that all our little eggs can hatch instead of being stolen by the fox of insecurity.
You are just ahead of yourself.
McCown can start and Kessler can backup.
We don't need another QB this week.
Those washups will still be out there when we need them.
Z
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Reminded me I had not looked up this mystery bone as yet...
Coincidence that the bone is named after our Week 2 opponent? Some people are saying it's not...
The coracoid process (from Greek κόραξ, crow) is a small hook-like structure on the lateral edge of the superior anterior portion of the scapula. Pointing laterally forward, it, together with the acromion, serves to stabilize the shoulder joint. It is palpable in the deltopectoral groove between the deltoid and pectoralis major muscles.
"Coracoid" in itself means "like a raven's beak", with reference to its shape. (Greek "Korax" = Raven)
T, from the Greek in me.^^^ Crow had nothing to do with it. From re-rolling the tape, just seems Rg3 was put in a no win situation. Can't slide when you have a defender pushing you from behind to sidelines & Sure enough theirs a defenders face mask waiting for you before you hit the sidelines. Ravens Beak? & I say Eagles Beak..
"Washups" is the perfect word...
Can't slide when you have a defender pushing you from behind to sidelines & Sure enough theirs a defenders face mask waiting for you before you hit the sidelines. Ravens Beak? & I say Eagles Beak..
True on the push, but RG had committed to the collision before the push occurred. Look again... there was a clear path OB a couple yards shy of where the collision ultimately occurred.
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"Washups" is the perfect word...
Can't slide when you have a defender pushing you from behind to sidelines & Sure enough theirs a defenders face mask waiting for you before you hit the sidelines. Ravens Beak? & I say Eagles Beak..
True on the push, but RG had committed to the collision before the push occurred. Look again... there was a clear path OB a couple yards shy of where the collision ultimately occurred.
"Washups" is the perfect word...
True on the push, but RG had committed to the collision before the push occurred. Look again... there was a clear path OB a couple yards shy of where the collision ultimately occurred.
Lets just say that like his passing, RG didn't show good judgment or skill on what he did there.
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Watching the throws from Wentz, he's really grown using his eyes holding the safety in place. Helps we didn't show a ton of 2 high as well. He's become much better at finding his second read.
The philly Oline did a pretty bang up job in pass pro. Also, I'm not sure I like Haden in this defense coming off an ankle injury. He's usually clocking people at the LOS but he seemed very hesitant jamming receivers.
On the Aguilar TD he mirror his released decently enough but didn't get a hand on him. That's just not Haden's game. He's a press corner.
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"Washups" is the perfect word...
Can't slide when you have a defender pushing you from behind to sidelines & Sure enough theirs a defenders face mask waiting for you before you hit the sidelines. Ravens Beak? & I say Eagles Beak..
True on the push, but RG had committed to the collision before the push occurred. Look again... there was a clear path OB a couple yards shy of where the collision ultimately occurred.
True on the push, but RG had committed to the collision before the push occurred. Look again... there was a clear path OB a couple yards shy of where the collision ultimately occurred.
Yep, I see ya T. Game of small windows & that one got broke. But we have been a couple yards shy since 99. We need a truck QB named CamBerger
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True on the push, but RG had committed to the collision before the push occurred. Look again... there was a clear path OB a couple yards shy of where the collision ultimately occurred.
Yep, I see ya T. Game of small windows & that one got broke. But we have been a couple yards shy since 99. We need a truck QB named CamBerger
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Actually we'll probably only have to chose whether we like saying Deshone or Deshaun better.
What's Dedifference?
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The first couple seasons of Always Sunny... made me laugh as hard as any sitcom ever has.
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Now that I've had time to think about McCown starting, I'm a little upset that we didn't trade him when we had the chance. Josh can play some ball, and while he's obviously far from perfect, he can still sling it. He'll push the ball downfield, be decently accurate, and hang tough in the pocket (sometimes TOO tough). He'll move the offense pretty well, but stall inside the red zone because we don't have enough viable targets yet. Lots of field goals, lots of field goals...
Josh might play well enough to knock us out of the top draft spot, and that's the problem. If your team is going to suck, why not COMPLETELY suck? We drafted Cody Kessler for a reason, so why not throw his ass in there? Baptism by fire...sink or swim. If by a miracle he turns out to show promise, then we hit the lottery. If he's not progressing, then we can draft whoever we want with the top pick. But McCown might catch fire a few times this year and win 4-5 games. That somewhat scares me.
On the other hand, Josh might make us more watchable, and that's a good thing. Many of us spend big bucks each year watching our team, going to games, or whatever. Josh moving the chains and putting some points on the board might make us a lot more fun to tolerate. Perhaps McCown gives us the best opportunity to truly evaluate our cupboard full of new receivers, and that is definitely a good thing.
I remember thinking last year, "Man...McCown can really sling the ball. I wonder what he could do with a guy like Josh Gordon?" Well, it appears like we might get that chance to see what Josh cooks up with an elite talent. We're going to be down a bunch of points in many games, and that means we're going to have to throw the ball. If you have Josh Gordon on your fantasy team, his value just went way up. This is also good for Corey Coleman. Nobody liked watching his awful drop last week, but Josh will be good for the kid. He'll settle him down and build a working relationship. Josh might be the best thing for Coleman, and it's about time a first round draft pick showed their worth in Cleveland. Fingers crossed.
Defense wasn't that terrible against the Eagles, and they appeared to get drained by the end of the game. Biggest problem was they didn't force turnovers. Had some chances too...
Now that Josh is starting you wish we would have traded him?
You guys that think we have to 0-16 to get good perplex me. Like we have to be super-bad to put ourself in position to get the right draft picks.
We have been Super Bad for years! It's not about drafting in the right spot, it's about drafting the right players.
I could care less about next years draft right now. I am excited to watch these young guys we have learn in Hue's system and then we will restock next year and hopefully draft the right guys and be much better.
Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Let's go out and play football and be the best team we can be. The front office is doing a great job accumulating draft picks, don't worry about where we end up, look for progress, look for signs, look for the talent that is on the field and how it is being brought along. We've got two first rounders, we will be players in the draft. Let's hope Josh beats Baltimore and move forward from there.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Now that Josh is starting you wish we would have traded him?
You guys that think we have to 0-16 to get good perplex me. Like we have to be super-bad to put ourself in position to get the right draft picks.
We have been Super Bad for years! It's not about drafting in the right spot, it's about drafting the right players.
I could care less about next years draft right now. I am excited to watch these young guys we have learn in Hue's system and then we will restock next year and hopefully draft the right guys and be much better.
Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Let's go out and play football and be the best team we can be. The front office is doing a great job accumulating draft picks, don't worry about where we end up, look for progress, look for signs, look for the talent that is on the field and how it is being brought along. We've got two first rounders, we will be players in the draft. Let's hope Josh beats Baltimore and move forward from there.
Zombo
Nah, we don't have to go 0-16, 2-14 will probably do it. MHO- Griffin stunk so bad against the Eagles McCown can't possibly do any worse. The is "Suck for Luck" revisited, I'm certainly not in denial over that fact. The National Media is literally Laughing out loud at the Browns incompetence.
Cheer up Z- next year with 2 firsts, two seconds, (that's 4 in the first 64) plus a couple compensatory picks in the 4th and 5th (that can now be traded) we had better get at least a couple pro bowlers out of that.
Actually we'll probably only have to chose whether we like saying Deshone or Deshaun better.
Right now it's Deshone, but Notre Dame quarterbacks give me the heebie jeebies. (Quinn, Clausen) As long as we have one of the top 2 picks, we'll be fine.
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I think Devito ruined it, but yeah the first couple seasons were awesome....WILD CARD!
You're fucking with us, right?
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Zombo said:
Now that Josh is starting you wish we would have traded him?
You guys that think we have to 0-16 to get good perplex me. Like we have to be super-bad to put ourself in position to get the right draft picks.
We have been Super Bad for years! It's not about drafting in the right spot, it's about drafting the right players.
I could care less about next years draft right now. I am excited to watch these young guys we have learn in Hue's system and then we will restock next year and hopefully draft the right guys and be much better.
Josh at QB actually gives guys like Coleman a chance to develop ... he's a veteran with a big arm which puts the entire playbook in play.
Let's go out and play football and be the best team we can be. The front office is doing a great job accumulating draft picks, don't worry about where we end up, look for progress, look for signs, look for the talent that is on the field and how it is being brought along. We've got two first rounders, we will be players in the draft. Let's hope Josh beats Baltimore and move forward from there.
Zombo
Nah, we don't have to go 0-16, 2-14 will probably do it. MHO- Griffin stunk so bad against the Eagles McCown can't possibly do any worse. The is "Suck for Luck" revisited, I'm certainly not in denial over that fact. The National Media is literally Laughing out loud at the Browns incompetence.
Cheer up Z- next year with 2 firsts, two seconds, (that's 4 in the first 64) plus a couple compensatory picks in the 4th and 5th (that can now be traded) we had better get at least a couple pro bowlers out of that.
Actually we'll probably only have to chose whether we like saying Deshone or Deshaun better.
Right now it's Deshone, but Notre Dame quarterbacks give me the heebie jeebies. (Quinn, Clausen) As long as we have one of the top 2 picks, we'll be fine.
Nah, we don't have to go 0-16, 2-14 will probably do it. MHO- Griffin stunk so bad against the Eagles McCown can't possibly do any worse. The is "Suck for Luck" revisited, I'm certainly not in denial over that fact. The National Media is literally Laughing out loud at the Browns incompetence.
Cheer up Z- next year with 2 firsts, two seconds, (that's 4 in the first 64) plus a couple compensatory picks in the 4th and 5th (that can now be traded) we had better get at least a couple pro bowlers out of that.
Right now it's Deshone, but Notre Dame quarterbacks give me the heebie jeebies. (Quinn, Clausen) As long as we have one of the top 2 picks, we'll be fine.
Cheer up??? I think I'm the only one that loves this team!
You guys enjoy talking about the draft and moaning like miserable mopes.
Zombo
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