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  • Pumpkin Eater P
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    P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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    It's fake. Water runs downhill. The statue was outside, far away from the wall of the sanctuary. Explain how wastewater would go from a clogged drain, over to the statue, up the statue, then down its foot... it might be fake but it's not from a toilet or drain

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      It's fake. Water runs downhill. The statue was outside, far away from the wall of the sanctuary. Explain how wastewater would go from a clogged drain, over to the statue, up the statue, then down its foot... it might be fake but it's not from a toilet or drain

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      W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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      @pumpkin-eater said:

      It's fake. Water runs downhill. The statue was outside, far away from the wall of the sanctuary. Explain how wastewater would go from a clogged drain, over to the statue, up the statue, then down its foot... it might be fake but it's not from a toilet or drain

      A miracle.

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        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        There is something deep inside human beings that crave miracles. Christianity itself is based on miracles. Jesus was a miracle and really every answer to prayer today is a miracle. The problem though is trying to seek a sign and that is what gets many into trouble. I can tell someone right now how they can experience the greatest miracle of all (read the written word of God the bible) but there are some who are just like Jesus talked about thousands of years ago they have to see to believe...God wants us to believe without seeing..If you read the bible with the attitude God says it, I believe it and that settles it you will live a life of miracles...

        "and they went forward and preached everywhere the Lord working with them and confirming the word with signs following"...

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          W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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          That's true OBF.

          Just like there's something inside that makes us what to believe in true love.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            All humans crave miracles? Really? OK then.

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              All humans crave miracles? Really? OK then.

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              OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              @gftchris said:

              All humans crave miracles? Really? OK then.

              You see it all throughout human history to present.

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                @gftchris said:

                All humans crave miracles? Really? OK then.

                You see it all throughout human history to present.

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                W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                @oldbrownsfan said:

                You see it all throughout human history to present.

                None of that stuff matters to Chris. He thinks he's a Vulcan. Love hate anger happiness faith fear hope, all bullshit.

                😉

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  I know I don't go out searching for hocus pocus.

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                    @gftchris said:

                    All humans crave miracles? Really? OK then.

                    You see it all throughout human history to present.

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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                    You see it all throughout human history to present.

                    What you see is people worshipping anything out of fear and trying to control the unknown, sure. Rain god, sun god, moon god, earth god, everything god, nothing god. Everything is up for worship, as people try to explain things as whichever deity interfering in everyday life.

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                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                      You see it all throughout human history to present.

                      None of that stuff matters to Chris. He thinks he's a Vulcan. Love hate anger happiness faith fear hope, all bullshit.

                      😉

                      WSS

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                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                      @westside-steve said:

                      None of that stuff matters to Chris. He's british. Love hate anger happiness faith fear hope, all bullshit.

                      😉

                      WSS

                      FIFY.

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                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                        You see it all throughout human history to present.

                        What you see is people worshipping anything out of fear and trying to control the unknown, sure. Rain god, sun god, moon god, earth god, everything god, nothing god. Everything is up for worship, as people try to explain things as whichever deity interfering in everyday life.

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                        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        @gftchris said:

                        What you see is people worshipping anything out of fear and trying to control the unknown, sure. Rain god, sun god, moon god, earth god, everything god, nothing god. Everything is up for worship, as people try to explain things as whichever deity interfering in everyday life.

                        The deep seated hunger in the human heart for God is the reason for all religions. The love of the miraculous is not a mark of ignorance but an outreaching for an unseen God. It is not a mark of great scholarship to deny the miraculous. Jesus' life was a miracle. His teachings were miraculous, His death and resurrection was a miracle. Every person who is "born again" is a miracle. Christianity is not a religion but the life of God in man.

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                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                          See now, you know I disagree with all of those 'miracles' and yet you expect me to take it as proof of miracles? I'm no more likely to say "oh there was a miracle? Oh ok then, miracles happen! rejoice!" than you are to up and disavow the miracles because all logic, reason and the laws of nature preclude them from ever happening and the only 'proof' you have is a millennia-old book.

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                            See now, you know I disagree with all of those 'miracles' and yet you expect me to take it as proof of miracles? I'm no more likely to say "oh there was a miracle? Oh ok then, miracles happen! rejoice!" than you are to up and disavow the miracles because all logic, reason and the laws of nature preclude them from ever happening and the only 'proof' you have is a millennia-old book.

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                            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                            @gftchris said:

                            See now, you know I disagree with all of those 'miracles' and yet you expect me to take it as proof of miracles? I'm no more likely to say "oh there was a miracle? Oh ok then, miracles happen! rejoice!" than you are to up and disavow the miracles because all logic, reason and the laws of nature preclude them from ever happening and the only 'proof' you have is a millennia-old book.

                            I have had a few miracles in my own life. My wife had a tumor that came up on an ultra sound with her pregnancy and she asked for prayer from the church and the very next ultra sound they could not find the tumor which the doctor had claimed before was the size of a grapefruit. The doctor kept looking over and over for the tumor and kept saying to the nurse it couldn't have just disappeared...well it did.

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                              @westside-steve said:

                              None of that stuff matters to Chris. He's british. Love hate anger happiness faith fear hope, all bullshit.

                              😉

                              WSS

                              FIFY.

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                              @gftchris said:

                              FIFY.

                              🙂

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                                @gftchris said:

                                See now, you know I disagree with all of those 'miracles' and yet you expect me to take it as proof of miracles? I'm no more likely to say "oh there was a miracle? Oh ok then, miracles happen! rejoice!" than you are to up and disavow the miracles because all logic, reason and the laws of nature preclude them from ever happening and the only 'proof' you have is a millennia-old book.

                                I have had a few miracles in my own life. My wife had a tumor that came up on an ultra sound with her pregnancy and she asked for prayer from the church and the very next ultra sound they could not find the tumor which the doctor had claimed before was the size of a grapefruit. The doctor kept looking over and over for the tumor and kept saying to the nurse it couldn't have just disappeared...well it did.

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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                I have had a few miracles in my own life. My wife had a tumor that came up on an ultra sound with her pregnancy and she asked for prayer from the church and the very next ultra sound they could not find the tumor which the doctor had claimed before was the size of a grapefruit. The doctor kept looking over and over for the tumor and kept saying to the nurse it couldn't have just disappeared...well it did.

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  The characterization of more ancient peoples who worshiped the sun, fake idols, etc... doing so out of fear,

                                  is only partly true.

                                  Human beings fear the unknown - there was a lot in those days they didn't understand, couldn't explain,

                                  and they knew THEY didn't create the stars, mountains, earth, sky, themselves, all life...

                                  I think there are too many souls who worship science - it's what they rely on to explain those same unknowns.

                                  Except, there is an aspect to life that doesn't relate to just science. Like how I, a good fifth grade kid, was all alone, down the ravine in our woods, on a record cold single digit very early morning, in a small spring, couldn't get out, and no person ever knew

                                  I was there to come rescue me...and came a few minutes from never making it back home.

                                  and how I still was rescued. Science can explain the brain, and memory. But science can't explain

                                  love, courage, honor, and a lot of other stuff. You can search the net - I'm sure there are plenty of

                                  other stuff.

                                  It's like a computer, maybe - science can explain the accumulation of data - but can't explain how people develop

                                  it into information, and how they act on the information.

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                                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    http://thetruthwins.com/archives/is-this-a-photo-of-a-real-angel-at-a-christian-event-in-cedar-falls-iowa

                                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                      http://thetruthwins.com/archives/is-this-a-photo-of-a-real-angel-at-a-christian-event-in-cedar-falls-iowa

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                                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      http://thetruthwins.com/archives/is-this-a-photo-of-a-real-angel-at-a-christian-event-in-cedar-falls-iowa

                                      Whether or not the picture is true I believe angels are sometimes present in churches where worship of the Lord is going on. I have no doubt about it but I am not convinced a camera can catch the presence...which is a spiritual presence..I tend to agree with the author of the article below. vvvvvv

                                      "Over the years, I have found that most people end up believing exactly what they want to believe.

                                      If someone out there is absolutely determined to believe that supernatural events do not exist, then a hundred more stories just like this will not persuade that person.

                                      Personally, I am fully convinced that the God who created all things is still doing supernatural things today just like He always has been."

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                                        BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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                                        I think anyone is free to look at that could and interpret as they choose.

                                        It should be noted that clouds were seen as certain apocalyptic (term doesn't necessarily mean "end of world" here) imagery in Jewish customs. References to clouds can be scene in the old and new testaments many times. Christ was taken up in the clouds and we are advised that he will likely return in the clouds from Heaven. Josephus the Jewish Historian and Tacitus, a Roman historian both saw armies in the clouds that surrounded Jerusalem just before the fall of Jerusalem, in and around 75 A.D.

                                        Josephus (A.D. 75) - Jewish Historian
                                        "Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence" (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).

                                        Tacitus (A.D. 115) - Roman historian

                                        "13. Prodigies had occurred, but their expiation by the offering of victims or solemn vows is held to be unlawful by a nation which is the slave of superstition and the enemy of true beliefs. In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightning flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure. Few people placed a sinister interpretation upon this. The majority were convinced that the ancient scriptures of their priests alluded to the present as the very time when the Orient would triumph and from Judaea would go forth men destined to rule the world." (Histories, Book 5, v. 13).

                                        If you choose to see the cloud as an angel and perhaps a simple reminder that we are all still being watched by something greater than nothing wrong with that.

                                        If you choose to explain by its natural phenomenon, nothing wrong with that either. If you choose to believe that both can be harmonized together, nothing wrong with that either.

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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          What you see is people worshipping anything out of fear and trying to control the unknown, sure. Rain god, sun god, moon god, earth god, everything god, nothing god. Everything is up for worship, as people try to explain things as whichever deity interfering in everyday life.

                                          The deep seated hunger in the human heart for God is the reason for all religions. The love of the miraculous is not a mark of ignorance but an outreaching for an unseen God. It is not a mark of great scholarship to deny the miraculous. Jesus' life was a miracle. His teachings were miraculous, His death and resurrection was a miracle. Every person who is "born again" is a miracle. Christianity is not a religion but the life of God in man.

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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          The deep seated hunger in the human heart for God is the reason for all religions. The love of the miraculous is not a mark of ignorance but an outreaching for an unseen God. It is not a mark of great scholarship to deny the miraculous. Jesus' life was a miracle. His teachings were miraculous, His death and resurrection was a miracle. Every person who is "born again" is a miracle. Christianity is not a religion but the life of God in man.

                                          What that is is a fear of death and our desire to continue this forever. It's a perfectly understandable thing. Nobody wants to go into the darkness. I sure don't.

                                          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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