Browns Trade for Patriots LB Jamie Collins
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Collins confirms he never asked for anything close to Von Miller money
Somebody was lying..
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Bill's got salary issues starting with Brady & Gronk's contracts. Sheard is getting paid too.
Ummmm.... no.
Brady is one of the cheaper starting QBs in the league cap-wise... let alone a star. He's restructured his deal a couple times to make it more cap friendly. And I believe Gronk has already done his extention.
With ending contracts included the Pats will be $66mm under the 2017 cap. Scan their UFA list and see how many "must resigns" you see. I see maybe 4...
Ummmm.... no.
Brady is one of the cheaper starting QBs in the league cap-wise... let alone a star. He's restructured his deal a couple times to make it more cap friendly. And I believe Gronk has already done his extention.
With ending contracts included the Pats will be $66mm under the 2017 cap. Scan their UFA list and see how many "must resigns" you see. I see maybe 4...
That is a form of cheating IMO, Brady can take lower money now to help the rest of the cap because he's earnt enough. In a league where the draft etc is designed to keep it fair and competitive that doesn't wash.
Expect he'll be paid millions by Kraft after he retires in some bullshit capacity
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One of my favorite football lines comes from Jack dell Rio & it goes "We play a game called football. So lets not try to build a space machine to land on Mars" We got a Guy coming in here this Sunday named Zeke Elliott. Jamie Collins feel free to lance his ass all day. Where Zeke goes you go..Horton can't even mess this up
One of my favorite football lines comes from Jack dell Rio & it goes "We play a game called football. So lets not try to build a space machine to land on Mars" We got a Guy coming in here this Sunday named Zeke Elliott. Jamie Collins feel free to lance his ass all day. Where Zeke goes you go..Horton can't even mess this up
zeke was great at OSU even tho i disliked his gay mid-drift cutoff shirts and even the stoopid text to some douchebag asking for a date....
break him in half sunday.
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Just watched some videos on NFL Network, and Ian Rappaport stated that Browns are basically giving Collins an "8 game tryout", and Collins' agent actually said the linebacker is happy about going to Cleveland and going to a team that wants him. Rappaport further stated that Collins and his agent turned down a deal with Patriots that would've paid him over $10 million a year. Yikes!
It's also been said by multiple analysts that Patriots were tired of Collins "doing whatever he wanted to" on defense, and he did that a few times against the Bills. One such play was a 28 yard gain by the Bills, and it infuriated the Pats. That, combined with his inability to stay healthy, make Collins disposable.
Jamie Collins knows NOTHING about our defensive scheme, and I'm not even sure where the guy will play. Demario Davis has been playing well enough, Kirksey has been even better, and I'm not sure who will sit the bench in order for Collins to get time. Still, if Collins can stay healthy and make PLAYS, then I think we have a nice fixture on the defensive side of the ball. Rappaport also said that Browns will have to get a deal done because they will most likely franchise Pryor.
Franchise Pryor? That's crazy talk. $14.5 million? That's the current franchise tag for a WR. He's good, but AJ Green or Julio Jones good? Not yet by a long shot in my book.
Franchise Pryor? That's crazy talk. $14.5 million? That's the current franchise tag for a WR. He's good, but AJ Green or Julio Jones good? Not yet by a long shot in my book.
I agree. Pryor is playing great, but no way in hell we franchise tag him.
Unless we really just can't find people to give money to
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Ummmm.... no.
Brady is one of the cheaper starting QBs in the league cap-wise... let alone a star. He's restructured his deal a couple times to make it more cap friendly. And I believe Gronk has already done his extention.
With ending contracts included the Pats will be $66mm under the 2017 cap. Scan their UFA list and see how many "must resigns" you see. I see maybe 4...
That is a form of cheating IMO, Brady can take lower money now to help the rest of the cap because he's earnt enough. In a league where the draft etc is designed to keep it fair and competitive that doesn't wash.
Expect he'll be paid millions by Kraft after he retires in some bullshit capacity
That is a form of cheating IMO, Brady can take lower money now to help the rest of the cap because he's earnt enough. In a league where the draft etc is designed to keep it fair and competitive that doesn't wash.
Expect he'll be paid millions by Kraft after he retires in some bullshit capacity
He can take less because his wife is the bread winner of the family. As much as I'd like to call it cheating, and as much as I hate to give him credit, he played it right on this on.
Don't hate the player.....
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It is indeed bullshit, and the league is a little bit helpless to do anything about it unless they introduce salary caps for front office staff or whatever as well.
But, if the browns are doing it in 15 years with Cody Kessler, I'm pretty sure nobody here would be complaining too much about it.
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What does this say about the guy.
Way to early to know what will happen or if this guy will work out. Reports are this guy doesn't like to prepare and solely relies on athleticism to make things happen. Let's hope that works out for Horton and his defensive schemes. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
From this article.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/becoming-clear-were-2-big-152321240.html
"Browns coach Hue Jackson, in defense of Collins, even seemed to acknowledge that Collins doesn't stick to the game plan, saying, "The way he freelances is OK with me."Similarly, as CBS notes, in an interview with Improper Bostonian in September, Collins said something revealing about his preparation when he was asked about watching football:
"I didn't grow up watching football, and I still don't. Me and Chandler Jones have talked about this since I first got up here. I never watched football. I never thought I'd be here, and I'd rather play video games. I don't really want to watch it."
"Browns coach Hue Jackson, in defense of Collins, even seemed to acknowledge that Collins doesn't stick to the game plan, saying, "The way he freelances is OK with me."...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
"Browns coach Hue Jackson, in defense of Collins, even seemed to acknowledge that Collins doesn't stick to the game plan, saying, "The way he freelances is OK with me."
...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
We were all just dying to know the words of wisdom of a sad washed up internet troll. Did you save any of his other sage advice?
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Pryor's agent is Drew Rosenhaus, a notorious asshole. Pricing Pryor's contract is EXTREMELY difficult, as there really isn't someone to compare him to. The difficulty lies in assessing his "ceiling". If this is really his "first year" playing WR (I know he played last year, but was limited by injury and didn't have much playing time), and he's doing THIS well with random QB's, then what could the guy do with another year under his belt with a STABLE QB situation? It's fun to think about. He literally has EVERYTHING you look for in a star WR, and I really think he can reach that elite level. He obviously works HARD, he's committed to Hue Jackson, and his physical traits are mind numbing.
So I disagree when I hear people say that there's no way we'll franchise him for $15 million for ONE season. Is that a shitload of money? Lord yes, but we have it, and we know we need Pryor. We CAN'T let him leave, so we'll do whatever we have to in order to keep his services. Another reason? We're the team that took the risk, that cultivated his talent, that went out on a limb when nobody else would. Pryor is OUR "find", and that's a feather in the cap of our talent gurus. 31 other teams dropped the ball on Pryor, and we ALMOST did. We let him walk last year, and the Patriots damn near scooped him up. Can you IMAGINE Tom Brady throwing the ball to Pryor this year? Yeesh.
My guess? We sign Jamie Collins THIS year to a long deal, and we franchise Pryor. In a perfect world, we sign both of them, but I don't see that happening. Collins is on record saying that he was never offered $10 million a year by Patriots, and he NEVER said he wants "Von Miller money" because he's NOT Von Miller. Don't get me wrong, we're still going to make Collins a VERY rich man, but it made me happy to know he disputed those statements. We wouldn't have made the trade unless we felt confident in securing Collins long term. We didn't have a defensive centerpiece...something we needed....and now we do.
The exciting thing to me (about Collins) is how his presence will make everyone else better. Kirksey is playing better and better, and with Collins to worry about, he'll have the opportunity to make even more plays. Shelton is playing better and CONSISTENT, so maybe he frees some stuff up for Collins? We've been gashed by several tight ends this year, and guess who is one of the best at covering TE's? Collins.
We're getting better. We're getting higher levels of talent. Can we do it ALL in one year? No, no we can't. We're DYING for secondary help, and we need to find a way to get some damn turnovers. I said before the season started that if we FINISHED strong I'd be happy. We still have a chance to do that, no matter how unlikely. If Cody cements his status as our starting QB, Collins gets signed and he's the stud we think, we can go into next year with some real pieces to the puzzle intact.
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We have the franchise tag if and when he decides to hold us up.
Which I assume he will.
A good quality player can't hurt.
WSS
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Ummmm.... no.
Brady is one of the cheaper starting QBs in the league cap-wise... let alone a star. He's restructured his deal a couple times to make it more cap friendly. And I believe Gronk has already done his extention.
With ending contracts included the Pats will be $66mm under the 2017 cap. Scan their UFA list and see how many "must resigns" you see. I see maybe 4...
That is a form of cheating IMO, Brady can take lower money now to help the rest of the cap because he's earnt enough. In a league where the draft etc is designed to keep it fair and competitive that doesn't wash.
Expect he'll be paid millions by Kraft after he retires in some bullshit capacity
That is a form of cheating IMO, Brady can take lower money now to help the rest of the cap because he's earnt enough. In a league where the draft etc is designed to keep it fair and competitive that doesn't wash.
Expect he'll be paid millions by Kraft after he retires in some bullshit capacity
Possible route, but not how "restructuring" typically works... and nothing suggests it is happening here.
When Brady's contract was renegotiated this year to extend it thru 2019, it included a $28mm "signing bonus". Most of this bonus was guaranteed money he was due over the 2016 and 2017 seasons which would have made his cap number huge now. Instead a big chunk of those first two years is now spread over the next four years leaving the back-end, 2018 and 2019 numbers bigger.
This was not his first extension to do the above. If he is still playing come 2018, they'll simply negotiate another extension, if needed.
The danger is the short-term, dead money impact of a player suddenly deciding to leave the game. Not exactly a big risk in Tom's case...
http://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1665623-how-does-the-salary-cap-work-in-the-nfl
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Pryor's agent is Drew Rosenhaus, a notorious asshole. Pricing Pryor's contract is EXTREMELY difficult, as there really isn't someone to compare him to. The difficulty lies in assessing his "ceiling". If this is really his "first year" playing WR (I know he played last year, but was limited by injury and didn't have much playing time), and he's doing THIS well with random QB's, then what could the guy do with another year under his belt with a STABLE QB situation? It's fun to think about. He literally has EVERYTHING you look for in a star WR, and I really think he can reach that elite level. He obviously works HARD, he's committed to Hue Jackson, and his physical traits are mind numbing.
So I disagree when I hear people say that there's no way we'll franchise him for $15 million for ONE season. Is that a shitload of money? Lord yes, but we have it, and we know we need Pryor. We CAN'T let him leave, so we'll do whatever we have to in order to keep his services. Another reason? We're the team that took the risk, that cultivated his talent, that went out on a limb when nobody else would. Pryor is OUR "find", and that's a feather in the cap of our talent gurus. 31 other teams dropped the ball on Pryor, and we ALMOST did. We let him walk last year, and the Patriots damn near scooped him up. Can you IMAGINE Tom Brady throwing the ball to Pryor this year? Yeesh.
My guess? We sign Jamie Collins THIS year to a long deal, and we franchise Pryor. In a perfect world, we sign both of them, but I don't see that happening. Collins is on record saying that he was never offered $10 million a year by Patriots, and he NEVER said he wants "Von Miller money" because he's NOT Von Miller. Don't get me wrong, we're still going to make Collins a VERY rich man, but it made me happy to know he disputed those statements. We wouldn't have made the trade unless we felt confident in securing Collins long term. We didn't have a defensive centerpiece...something we needed....and now we do.
The exciting thing to me (about Collins) is how his presence will make everyone else better. Kirksey is playing better and better, and with Collins to worry about, he'll have the opportunity to make even more plays. Shelton is playing better and CONSISTENT, so maybe he frees some stuff up for Collins? We've been gashed by several tight ends this year, and guess who is one of the best at covering TE's? Collins.
We're getting better. We're getting higher levels of talent. Can we do it ALL in one year? No, no we can't. We're DYING for secondary help, and we need to find a way to get some damn turnovers. I said before the season started that if we FINISHED strong I'd be happy. We still have a chance to do that, no matter how unlikely. If Cody cements his status as our starting QB, Collins gets signed and he's the stud we think, we can go into next year with some real pieces to the puzzle intact.
So I disagree when I hear people say that there's no way we'll franchise him for $15 million for ONE season. Is that a shitload of money? Lord yes, but we have it, and we know we need Pryor. We CAN'T let him leave, so we'll do whatever we have to in order to keep his services.
The Kirk Cousins' argument... good thought... As with Kirk, a deeper resume would certainly help define Pryor's value. Unfortunately the tag route has often carried the side affect of destroying good will between players and their FOs.
A better route might actually be the Alex Mack approach. Let Pryor cut his best FA deal with us retaining the right of first refusal. Even if a team installed an opt-out clause in their offer as JAX did with Mack, in Pryor's case we'd have his good will to fall back upon.
At least we'd have it as long as Hue is here...
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"Browns coach Hue Jackson, in defense of Collins, even seemed to acknowledge that Collins doesn't stick to the game plan, saying, "The way he freelances is OK with me."
...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
We were all just dying to know the words of wisdom of a sad washed up internet troll. Did you save any of his other sage advice?
So then, are you happy with that statement of Hue's? That Collins can freelance here if he wants?
I don't think that sends out the proper message. Sounds kind of 'undisciplined'...wouldn't you say?
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...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
We were all just dying to know the words of wisdom of a sad washed up internet troll. Did you save any of his other sage advice?
So then, are you happy with that statement of Hue's? That Collins can freelance here if he wants?
I don't think that sends out the proper message. Sounds kind of 'undisciplined'...wouldn't you say?
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Bill B and the organization of the Pats are pretty frugal from what I hear. Except for Tom Brady!
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Depends on what the assignments are around you. There are schemes that free up safeties with no assignment other than to simply read keys and go off what they see and anticipate.
You can do that with linebackers although to a lesser extent because of their responsibility in the run game.
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"Browns coach Hue Jackson, in defense of Collins, even seemed to acknowledge that Collins doesn't stick to the game plan, saying, "The way he freelances is OK with me."
...and The Ghoul would point out that Hue does not instill discipline.
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I'm usually leery of paying big money 4 a player from a great organization.
How much a part of their success is this guy or vice versa? I could pay millions of dollars to get Bill Wyman to play on a record but it won't make it the Rolling Stones.
But again, it can't hurt. If in fact the players are at fault and not Ray Horton.
WSS
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Jamie Collins is expected to play "a lot" this weekend, and may even start. That's pretty amazing considering he's been with us for a couple of days. I'm eager to see him matched up on Jason Whitten.
The other thing I'm interested to see is if there is a "contagious effect" regarding Collins' presence. You ever play a game of pool against a more talented player and notice how you play better and vice versa? People tend to rise to the level of talent around them, and my hope (no matter how silly) is that our defensive players will get a shot in the arm with Collins along side. Don't get it twisted, Jamie Collins is a top 5 linebacker in the NFL. He is now on our team.
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Jamie Collins is expected to play "a lot" this weekend, and may even start. That's pretty amazing considering he's been with us for a couple of days. I'm eager to see him matched up on Jason Whitten.
The other thing I'm interested to see is if there is a "contagious effect" regarding Collins' presence. You ever play a game of pool against a more talented player and notice how you play better and vice versa? People tend to rise to the level of talent around them, and my hope (no matter how silly) is that our defensive players will get a shot in the arm with Collins along side. Don't get it twisted, Jamie Collins is a top 5 linebacker in the NFL. He is now on our team.
Don't get it twisted, Jamie Collins is a top 5 linebacker in the NFL. He is now on our team.
Which makes it all the more concerning that bill let him go
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