Browns set a franchise record!
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We don't have a team to put around Wentz. Plus Kessler is looking like a good pick.
HA!! you're full of shit. i watched every snap of the giants game yesterday and that kid is FRANCHISE period. have a team around him or not, who gives a fuck once you know you have him and can move on.....
people are tools, like our FO.
... or they didn't like Wentz's value/prospects as a #2... possibly in part due to his late rise up boards.
Mistrust of late rising QBs has been discussed here before. IIRC... TCPO was one of first. And the recent history would bear that concern out. Tannehill? Was a rocket man coming out of A&M... and now he's at a crossroads in Miami. Bortles? Same story...
For those that have missed it Philly is 1-4 in their last 5 games. In that stretch Carson has thrown 4 TDs and 5 INTs. For the season Pro Football Reference's Advanced Passing metrics rank him below average in 6 of their 9 categories. His lowest rankings? TD% (87) and YPA (92)... where "100" is "average" for the league. Highest? INT% (107) and Comp% (105)...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00.htm
There's another rookie QB with more positive rankings... 5 of 9 above average. Lowest? Shocker.... it's Sack% (82) and TD% (86). Highest? INT% (125) and Comp% (118)... and his YPA is a nearly neutral 99...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KessCo00.htm
HA!! you're full of shit. i watched every snap of the giants game yesterday and that kid is FRANCHISE period. have a team around him or not...
Even watched his two, badly overthrown INTs?
The kid may yet be great... or at least damn good. And the regression he's shown since his 3-game, "hot start" can be explained in part by the injury/suspension losses of his 2 starting OTs. But clearly he has either cooled or opponents have caught up to him.
When you look at Philly's Play-by-Play vs. NYG you'd swear his full name was "C.Wentz-short-pass". Philly is simply not asking anything of him yet except to protect the ball and let his D win games. And with 8 fumbles (3 lost) in addition to his 5 INTs, he's not...
So let's not anoint CW just yet... nor the other rookie for that matter.
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This is my thoughts on why they passed on a QB and traded down last year.
If they would've stayed at 2 and taken Wentz, the clock on their ( the front office and Hue) jobs would've already started.
Having passed on the QB they ( the front office and Hue) can tell Jimmy Haslem, we still don't have our QB
Now with this coming draft. They can say, "there is no "FRANCHISE" Qb to take at #1. So they can trade down again.
The analytics say, "we can't miss on ALL these picks" can we?
I hope this strategy works, because we are stuck with it for Atleast the next 2 years. IMO
This is my thoughts on why they passed on a QB and traded down last year.
If they would've stayed at 2 and taken Wentz, the clock on their ( the front office and Hue) jobs would've already started.
Having passed on the QB they ( the front office and Hue) can tell Jimmy Haslem, we still don't have our QB
Now with this coming draft. They can say, "there is no "FRANCHISE" Qb to take at #1. So they can trade down again.
The analytics say, "we can't miss on ALL these picks" can we?
I hope this strategy works, because we are stuck with it for At least the next 2 years. IMO
Here's the problem, even with all the picks we had- at this point it looks like we have three decent starters, Coleman, Ogbah, Nassib. Jury out on Kessler and Drango. Remainder is cannon fodder, injured, or definitely not ready for prime time. Pursuing this model will take us around three more drafts to get competitive, by that time Joe Thomas will be on the verge of retirement. Remains to be seen if Drango can fill those shoes.
As I see it right now we need at least one or two starting OL, DL, 2 LBs, and an entire defensive backfield. That's not happening in just the 2017 draft. I just hope come next April, I don't hear... "the Cleveland Browns have traded the first overall pick for....."
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This is my thoughts on why they passed on a QB and traded down last year.
If they would've stayed at 2 and taken Wentz, the clock on their ( the front office and Hue) jobs would've already started.
Having passed on the QB they ( the front office and Hue) can tell Jimmy Haslem, we still don't have our QB
Now with this coming draft. They can say, "there is no "FRANCHISE" Qb to take at #1. So they can trade down again.
The analytics say, "we can't miss on ALL these picks" can we?
I hope this strategy works, because we are stuck with it for At least the next 2 years. IMO
Here's the problem, even with all the picks we had- at this point it looks like we have three decent starters, Coleman, Ogbah, Nassib. Jury out on Kessler and Drango. Remainder is cannon fodder, injured, or definitely not ready for prime time. Pursuing this model will take us around three more drafts to get competitive, by that time Joe Thomas will be on the verge of retirement. Remains to be seen if Drango can fill those shoes.
As I see it right now we need at least one or two starting OL, DL, 2 LBs, and an entire defensive backfield. That's not happening in just the 2017 draft. I just hope come next April, I don't hear... "the Cleveland Browns have traded the first overall pick for....."
Here's the problem, even with all the picks we had- at this point it looks like we have three decent starters, Coleman, Ogbah, Nassib. Jury out on Kessler and Drango. Remainder is cannon fodder, injured, or definitely not ready for prime time. Pursuing this model will take us around three more drafts to get competitive, by that time Joe Thomas will be on the verge of retirement. Remains to be seen if Drango can fill those shoes.
So potentially five starters? Sounds great... at least compared to past FOs...
As for the rest...
You can't say that, h. Sorry, but you can't, because unless you have been attending practices, then you have not seen enough of the "fodder" to make a judgement.
On a positive note three years.... this one plus two... seems about right.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This is my thoughts on why they passed on a QB and traded down last year.
If they would've stayed at 2 and taken Wentz, the clock on their ( the front office and Hue) jobs would've already started.
Having passed on the QB they ( the front office and Hue) can tell Jimmy Haslem, we still don't have our QB
Now with this coming draft. They can say, "there is no "FRANCHISE" Qb to take at #1. So they can trade down again.
The analytics say, "we can't miss on ALL these picks" can we?
I hope this strategy works, because we are stuck with it for At least the next 2 years. IMO
Here's the problem, even with all the picks we had- at this point it looks like we have three decent starters, Coleman, Ogbah, Nassib. Jury out on Kessler and Drango. Remainder is cannon fodder, injured, or definitely not ready for prime time. Pursuing this model will take us around three more drafts to get competitive, by that time Joe Thomas will be on the verge of retirement. Remains to be seen if Drango can fill those shoes.
As I see it right now we need at least one or two starting OL, DL, 2 LBs, and an entire defensive backfield. That's not happening in just the 2017 draft. I just hope come next April, I don't hear... "the Cleveland Browns have traded the first overall pick for....."
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Here's the problem, even with all the picks we had- at this point it looks like we have three decent starters, Coleman, Ogbah, Nassib. Jury out on Kessler and Drango. Remainder is cannon fodder, injured, or definitely not ready for prime time. Pursuing this model will take us around three more drafts to get competitive, by that time Joe Thomas will be on the verge of retirement. Remains to be seen if Drango can fill those shoes.
So potentially five starters? Sounds great... at least compared to past FOs...
As for the rest...
You can't say that, h. Sorry, but you can't, because unless you have been attending practices, then you have not seen enough of the "fodder" to make a judgement.
On a positive note three years.... this one plus two... seems about right.
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12th consecutive loss...
Rigged! I demand a recount!
.....oh wait it's true.
Too bad early on the BROWNS had a few legitimate shots at a win and would have erased that ugly 0-9 , 1-8 or 2-7 just has a better ring to it.
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Trivia question.....browns currently have 6 starters, all drafted in succession(first 6 picks in a row) the same draft......what year were they picked?
How about 2015 draft....with Shelton, Erving, Cooper, Orchard, Campbell, Johnson?
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Looks right... except for missing asterisk by Erving...
Of course only one of the next six is still with the team.
How about 2015 draft....with Shelton, Erving, Cooper, Orchard, Campbell, Johnson?
2016 only lacks its 2nd Coleman to also start its 1st six... although Schobert is now 2nd team I believe.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Looks right... except for missing asterisk by Erving...
Of course only one of the next six is still with the team.
How about 2015 draft....with Shelton, Erving, Cooper, Orchard, Campbell, Johnson?
2016 only lacks its 2nd Coleman to also start its 1st six... although Schobert is now 2nd team I believe.
Looks right... except for missing asterisk by Erving...
Of course only one of the next six is still with the team.
2016 only lacks its 2nd Coleman to also start its 1st six... although Schobert is now 2nd team I believe.
Coleman Kessler and Ogbah are the only 3 actually starting.....right now....Nassib and Schobert are off the bench.....Coleman aint happenin and is Ervings 2016 counterpart.....
And....my point wasnt necessarily that last years draft was better(I think they are very similar, actually)......but it was not the disaster so many claim it to be.......
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Looks right... except for missing asterisk by Erving...
Of course only one of the next six is still with the team.
2016 only lacks its 2nd Coleman to also start its 1st six... although Schobert is now 2nd team I believe.
Coleman Kessler and Ogbah are the only 3 actually starting.....right now....Nassib and Schobert are off the bench.....Coleman aint happenin and is Ervings 2016 counterpart.....
And....my point wasnt necessarily that last years draft was better(I think they are very similar, actually)......but it was not the disaster so many claim it to be.......
Coleman Kessler and Ogbah are the only 3 actually starting.....right now....Nassib and Schobert are off the bench.....Coleman aint happenin and is Ervings 2016 counterpart.....
And....my point wasnt necessarily that last years draft was better(I think they are very similar, actually)......but it was not the disaster so many claim it to be.......
Well....it may still turn out to be a disaster. No one is distinguishing themselves....at all. All of these guys look like backup NFL players at best.
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12th consecutive loss...
the insane thing is the browns now have a losing record since their inception in what...1950...they said it on tv last night...correct me if i am wrong..but me thinks that is what i heard...that is insane...poor otto and the rest of them...and jim brown wants to see a championship before he croaks...pfffft...good luck with that...err maybe if he lives to be 150...
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Here's the problem, even with all the picks we had- at this point it looks like we have three decent starters, Coleman, Ogbah, Nassib. Jury out on Kessler and Drango. Remainder is cannon fodder, injured, or definitely not ready for prime time. Pursuing this model will take us around three more drafts to get competitive, by that time Joe Thomas will be on the verge of retirement. Remains to be seen if Drango can fill those shoes.
So potentially five starters? Sounds great... at least compared to past FOs...
As for the rest...
You can't say that, h. Sorry, but you can't, because unless you have been attending practices, then you have not seen enough of the "fodder" to make a judgement.
On a positive note three years.... this one plus two... seems about right.
So potentially five starters? Sounds great... at least compared to past FOs...
As for the rest...
You can't say that, h. Sorry, but you can't, because unless you have been attending practices, then you have not seen enough of the "fodder" to make a judgement.
On a positive note three years.... this one plus two... seems about right.
After last night Tour- I don't need to see those practices- because if the bench cannon fodder was any better than the starting cannon fodder, it would be starting by now.....
Hey we're the "Best" at being the "Worst". LOL, just a thought- will the 2008 Lions break out the champagne if we win a game?
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12th consecutive loss...
the insane thing is the browns now have a losing record since their inception in what...1950...they said it on tv last night...correct me if i am wrong..but me thinks that is what i heard...that is insane...poor otto and the rest of them...and jim brown wants to see a championship before he croaks...pfffft...good luck with that...err maybe if he lives to be 150...
the insane thing is the browns now have a losing record since their inception in what...1950...they said it on tv last night...correct me if i am wrong..but me thinks that is what i heard...that is insane...poor otto and the rest of them...and jim brown wants to see a championship before he croaks...pfffft...good luck with that...err maybe if he lives to be 150...
No, you heard right... but missed the fact that this is the first time in franchise history the franchise has ever been below .500...
Sorry, if it was better I'd left that added info unsaid.
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So potentially five starters? Sounds great... at least compared to past FOs...
As for the rest...
You can't say that, h. Sorry, but you can't, because unless you have been attending practices, then you have not seen enough of the "fodder" to make a judgement.
On a positive note three years.... this one plus two... seems about right.
After last night Tour- I don't need to see those practices- because if the bench cannon fodder was any better than the starting cannon fodder, it would be starting by now.....
Hey we're the "Best" at being the "Worst". LOL, just a thought- will the 2008 Lions break out the champagne if we win a game?
After last night Tour- I don't need to see those practices- because if the bench cannon fodder was any better than the starting cannon fodder, it would be starting by now.....
Ah... you mean like Devalve?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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the insane thing is the browns now have a losing record since their inception in what...1950...they said it on tv last night...correct me if i am wrong..but me thinks that is what i heard...that is insane...poor otto and the rest of them...and jim brown wants to see a championship before he croaks...pfffft...good luck with that...err maybe if he lives to be 150...
No, you heard right... but missed the fact that this is the first time in franchise history the franchise has ever been below .500...
Sorry, if it was better I'd left that added info unsaid.
No, you heard right... but missed the fact that this is the first time in franchise history the franchise has ever been below .500...
Sorry, if it was better I'd left that added info unsaid.
I believe last night dropped us to .500. One more to be under.
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I believe last night dropped us to .y500. One more to be under.
Yep, worst ever! Worst fucking team, worst fucking owner, worst fucking head coach, worst fucking plan in the history of this once proud team. I wish DeeDee would fuck Jimmy in the ass till he's dead!
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