***Official Browns Vs. Steelers Game Day Thread***

flyingfooldoug

You mean like instead of drafting 4WR, limit it to one and take 4 blockers?

They get one every other year but never make it a priority.

Mudfly

Or....after losing Schwartz and Mack.....and KNOWING they'd probably leave and having tons of time to plan.....they end up doing absolutely nothing to replace them?

Could have easily signed a couple vet FA's....or drafted a center......

But to commit to Erving....after watching him last year?.....and not have a back up or a vet to step in?.....turble

Did the same thing with OLBS......cut 3 out of 4 vets....then drafted 1 in the 4th.......and waited 8 weeks into the season, then said....HEY! We need an OLB......

A plan guaranteed to make you suck.....

Bob806

@mudfly said:

Or....after losing Schwartz and Mack.....and KNOWING they'd probably leave and having tons of time to plan.....they end up doing absolutely nothing to replace them?

Could have easily signed a couple vet FA's....or drafted a center......

But to commit to Erving....after watching him last year?.....and not have a back up or a vet to step in?.....turble

Did the same thing with OLBS......cut 3 out of 4 vets....then drafted 1 in the 4th.......and waited 8 weeks into the season, then said....HEY! We need an OLB......

A plan guaranteed to make you suck.....

Call me crazy, but I'm actually ok with this year's LB core. Remember, the Desmond Bryant injury moved Ogbah to the D line, so he's out of position.

I'm surprised Shon Coleman hasn't hardly played. Drango looked bad yesterday, but we need to see more. Could it possibly be the weak link at center is causing all the other breakdowns of the line?

flyingfooldoug

And of the top pick. Coleman is looking like Braylon. Had the dropsies in school...and showed them Sunday. Hmmmm, a WR with stone hands, go figure.

Mudfly

@bob806 said:

Call me crazy, but I'm actually ok with this year's LB core. Remember, the Desmond Bryant injury moved Ogbah to the D line, so he's out of position.

Ok....you asked for it.....yer crazy

Ogbah belongs on the line....and is out of position at OLB.....my opinion

Lemonier and Cam Johnson excite you?.....cause it sure couldnt be Schobert.....

Canton Dawg

The real head scratcher was why the running game was abandoned so early.

If I recall, there was only 10 rushing attempts (2 by Duke and 8 by Crow).

I'm sure Kessler would've liked that.

Bob806

Wasn't Ogbah a hybrid at OkState? Alternating between line and LB? I thought they drafted him for that versatility. Kirksey has been pretty damn good, although I'd like to see him force turnovers more.

I wasn't crazy about Kruger, thought he was over rated. So yeah, I was happy with the youth movement there. Scooby must not be fast enough, that's why he dropped to 7th round, but I'd let him play now...the guy knows how to tackle (a major defensive weakness this season).

Mudfly

Ha!....the running game was abandoned like 5 weeks ago....where ya been?

Clevfan4life

@mudfly said:

But to commit to Erving....after watching him last year?.....and not have a back up or a vet to step in?.....turble

Yeah i agree there. Holy fuck do i agree. I mean wtf....

Canton Dawg

@mudfly said:
Ha!....the running game was abandoned like 5 weeks ago....where ya been?

I mean it was a windy day, and it wasn't like our passing game was doing anything...other than getting our QB's killed.

Clevfan4life

@bob806 said:

Wasn't Ogbah a hybrid at OkState? Alternating between line and LB? I thought they drafted him for that versatility. Kirksey has been pretty damn good, although I'd like to see him force turnovers more.

I wasn't crazy about Kruger, thought he was over rated. So yeah, I was happy with the youth movement there. Scooby must not be fast enough, that's why he dropped to 7th round, but I'd let him play now...the guy knows how to tackle (a major defensive weakness this season).

I think og was pure DE, but i could be wrong. All of the tape i saw of him he came up from the dirt, always lined up wide. In any case yeah he doesn't belong at LB'er. I agree that the ILB'ers are kind of a pleasant surprise this year. Demario looks like he tracks the ball carrier better than any LB'er we've had for years. I would love to run the 4-3 with him, kirksey, schobert and Collins rotating in.

Richiswhere

@mudfly said:
Ha!....the running game was abandoned like 5 weeks ago....where ya been?

Go figure but the 4 games since Malcolm Johnson was released the Browns have rushed for 68, 45, 33 & 33.

tiamat63

Ogbah was a 3pt DE every snap I saw while he was at Okie state.

Clevfan4life

@tiamat63 said:
Ogbah was a 3pt DE every snap I saw while he was at Okie state.

That was my recollection as well. Unless Horton's plan is to really transition to a base 4-3 i don't know why you take two huge college DE's that are gonna struggle more than other 4-3 DE"s to make the transition to OLB'er. I mean Nassib is 6'7 and although i saw some decent things out of him in the beginning of the year from the standup....he should be a zone dropping DE nothing more. Same with Og.

tiamat63

@bob806 said:

Call me crazy, but I'm actually ok with this year's LB core. Remember, the Desmond Bryant injury moved Ogbah to the D line, so he's out of position.

I'm surprised Shon Coleman hasn't hardly played. Drango looked bad yesterday, but we need to see more. Could it possibly be the weak link at center is causing all the other breakdowns of the line?

Obby isn't out of position by a long stretch. Put him in a 2pt on the strong side then ask him to drop, cover, and push the pocket from that role. Then you'll see what 'out of position' is.

flyingfooldoug

@canton-dawg said:
Those were some Braylonesque drops by our first round WR.

I thought of him too...go figure

TexasAg1969

So our "makeover" has thus far produced a team that can't run, can't stop the run, can't pass, can't stop the pass and created a permanent dogpile behind our LOS that has sent QB's to the bench so many times I have now lost count.

But we have a long term plan.

OK-so how is step one of that plan working out so far? Stands full of foes and empty seats, few veterans to help the transition and piles of cash the owner has saved up for "A NEW CAR!!-COME ON DOWN JIMMY HASLAM!" (in my best game show announcer voice).

Well at least my "plan" has won me the weekly NFL fantasy league I'm in three times this season so far. I drafted better than the Browns.

flyingfooldoug

@texasag1969 said:

So our "makeover" has thus far produced a team that can't run, can't stop the run, can't pass, can't stop the pass and created a permanent dogpile behind our LOS that has sent QB's to the bench so many times I have now lost count.

But we have a long term plan.

OK-so how is step one of that plan working out so far? Stands full of foes and empty seats, few veterans to help the transition and piles of cash the owner has saved up for "A NEW CAR!!-COME ON DOWN JIMMY HASLAM!" (in my best game show announcer voice).

Well at least my "plan" has won me the weekly NFL fantasy league I'm in three times this season so far. I drafted better than the Browns.

No biggie there. A open window drafts better too.

The Gipper

@richiswhere said:
Go figure but the 4 games since Malcolm Johnson was released the Browns have rushed for 68, 45, 33 & 33.

Hmm...something never thought about before. Could it really be just that simple?

Tour2ma

Given that Malcolm played about 10% of the snaps? No....

@mudfly said:
But to commit to Erving....after watching him last year?.....and not have a back up or a vet to step in?.....turble

Did the same thing with OLBS......cut 3 out of 4 vets....then drafted 1 in the 4th.......and waited 8 weeks into the season, then said....HEY! We need an OLB......

We had a promising sub for Cam when he went down... then the sub went down.

More like "Hey! Look whose getting shopped around!"

As for the picks... unfortunately we did not have 4 more in the first two rounds. But we did scoop up Scooby. Wasn't he one of your guys?

@bob806 said:
Could it possibly be the weak link at center is causing all the other breakdowns of the line?

Yes, it could.