what we really need here again is a stud offensive tackle or a new cornerback
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I say we get some guys out there we haven't seen very much of like Cooper at Center (zero to lose), Payton (who has to have better hands than Rockhardo Hands-Louis and even Coleman (at this point), Higgins (who was rumored to have really good hands his last 2 years at Color-adoo State). Let's see Hogan start at QB. Looked very similar to Trubisky with the option read runs when he pleasantly surprised me with a lot of rushing yards.
0-16 is 0-16 so there's no sense in slapping a tuxedo or cologne on it. See what you drafted so you can evaluate what you got and what you need to do better.
They should put a sign up at the opponent friendly stadium this has become since 99 - "Welcome to the 1 place where if you're not up to beating the home team - they'll beat themselves for you!"
Im with ya Fluges......isnt that the point of this whole season.....screw winning so we can see the youngins?.......
And.....IF....that is really the plan......why are we NOT seeing more of Higgins.....Payton......Coleman.....DeValve....Wright....?????
And....a question Ive asked many people....w/o answer......where will we play 14 new rookies?
Which will soon be a thread.....
Im with ya Fluges......isnt that the point of this whole season.....screw winning so we can see the youngins?.......
And.....IF....that is really the plan......why are we NOT seeing more of Higgins.....Payton......Coleman.....DeValve....Wright....?????
And....a question Ive asked many people....w/o answer......where will we play 14 new rookies?
Which will soon be a thread.....
I'm with ya Mud. Why not give the rooks a decent 5 game audition? Because Hue wants to give Jimmuh the illusion we can win a meaningless game? MHO, we know what we have in McClown. If it's all about talent evaluation, time for Hogan's Heroes.
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Im with ya Fluges......isnt that the point of this whole season.....screw winning so we can see the youngins?.......
And.....IF....that is really the plan......why are we NOT seeing more of Higgins.....Payton......Coleman.....DeValve....Wright....?????
And....a question Ive asked many people....w/o answer......where will we play 14 new rookies?
Which will soon be a thread.....
I'm with ya Mud. Why not give the rooks a decent 5 game audition? Because Hue wants to give Jimmuh the illusion we can win a meaningless game? MHO, we know what we have in McClown. If it's all about talent evaluation, time for Hogan's Heroes.
I'm with ya Mud. Why not give the rooks a decent 5 game audition? Because Hue wants to give Jimmuh the illusion we can win a meaningless game? MHO, we know what we have in McClown. If it's all about talent evaluation, time for Hogan's Heroes.
Right...and I understand we cant play everybody.....but, at this point, I honestly dont care "who" gets to play...lets see em....
The real anomalies, to me, are Payton & Higgins....who both got rave reviews thru camp.....but havent played. Gordon never came back, Coleman broke his hand, Pryor had some nagging injuries and Louis performed unimpressively....yet?.......no Higgins or Payton?.....weird....
Id also like to maybe see Scooby get some ST reps....and the team start searching for competent P & K returners.....try out time...
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All very good suggestions, but the underlying problem I see is that of a coach already looking like a deer in the headlights "needing" a win, any win, at the sacrifice of trying out those new players as suggested here. Charlie Strong anyone?
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At this point, IMO, first and foremost:
1 - QB
2 - someone to hike it to him and block for him
3 - a couple of big guys that can rush the passer
After that, assorted guys who can tackle, block, catch, run fast and jump high.
At this point, IMO, first and foremost:
1 - QB
2 - someone to hike it to him and block for him
3 - a couple of big guys that can rush the passer
After that, assorted guys who can tackle, block, catch, run fast and jump high.
The problem is if u dont take #3 in the firstbround whats the point? Why draft 2nd-4th round pass rushetscagain that arebgonna need time to develop. If we dont take garrett or allen than just go into next season hoping nas and og develop and we get a healthy orchard back.
We have 5 picks in the top 65 (65th being top of the 3rd round - 2 first rounders). There's gotta be some guys available that fit our top needs.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
All very good suggestions, but the underlying problem I see is that of a coach already looking like a deer in the headlights "needing" a win, any win, at the sacrifice of trying out those new players as suggested here. Charlie Strong anyone?
Charlie Strong anyone?
Ummmmm.... no.
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At this point, IMO, first and foremost:
1 - QB
2 - someone to hike it to him and block for him
3 - a couple of big guys that can rush the passer
After that, assorted guys who can tackle, block, catch, run fast and jump high.
The problem is if u dont take #3 in the firstbround whats the point? Why draft 2nd-4th round pass rushetscagain that arebgonna need time to develop. If we dont take garrett or allen than just go into next season hoping nas and og develop and we get a healthy orchard back.
We have 5 picks in the top 65 (65th being top of the 3rd round - 2 first rounders). There's gotta be some guys available that fit our top needs.
We have 5 picks in the top 65 (65th being top of the 3rd round - 2 first rounders). There's gotta be some guys available that fit our top needs.
You betcha there are.....!
Now.....which ones are they, is the real question(and debate)?.......
2 firsts and 2 seconds......the pressure is on this FO not to blow it this time......
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All very good suggestions, but the underlying problem I see is that of a coach already looking like a deer in the headlights "needing" a win, any win, at the sacrifice of trying out those new players as suggested here. Charlie Strong anyone?
Charlie Strong anyone?
Aggies, is this a Texas revenge of the lyrics to "All my ex's live in Texas" ?
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We done this idiot shit in the first round for twenty years it will work now. WHO the fuck needs people who makes tds
We actually have some offensive skill players. Our 2 RBs, and a couple of the WRs and our TE is Pro Bowl caliber.
But...the QB situation sucks.....and all of those skill players can do nothing with out blocking. 8 sacks, 33 rushing yards in a game.
Do you really think it is poor skill players that are responsible for that?
And our defensive backfield is a dumpster fire....but, certainly more critical would be if the Browns could get a pass rush....which they can't seem to get.
We actually have some offensive skill players. Our 2 RBs, and a couple of the WRs and our TE is Pro Bowl caliber.
But...the QB situation sucks.....and all of those skill players can do nothing with out blocking. 8 sacks, 33 rushing yards in a game.
Do you really think it is poor skill players that are responsible for that?
And our defensive backfield is a dumpster fire....but, certainly more critical would be if the Browns could get a pass rush....which they can't seem to get.
This is crazy even for you
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At this point, IMO, first and foremost:
1 - QB
2 - someone to hike it to him and block for him
3 - a couple of big guys that can rush the passer
After that, assorted guys who can tackle, block, catch, run fast and jump high.
The problem is if u dont take #3 in the firstbround whats the point? Why draft 2nd-4th round pass rushetscagain that arebgonna need time to develop. If we dont take garrett or allen than just go into next season hoping nas and og develop and we get a healthy orchard back.
We have 5 picks in the top 65 (65th being top of the 3rd round - 2 first rounders). There's gotta be some guys available that fit our top needs.
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We actually have some offensive skill players. Our 2 RBs, and a couple of the WRs and our TE is Pro Bowl caliber.
But...the QB situation sucks.....and all of those skill players can do nothing with out blocking. 8 sacks, 33 rushing yards in a game.
Do you really think it is poor skill players that are responsible for that?
And our defensive backfield is a dumpster fire....but, certainly more critical would be if the Browns could get a pass rush....which they can't seem to get.
This is crazy even for you
This is crazy even for you
I was referring only to the TE......who made the Pro Bowl just last year. Or did you think I meant all those players? If so, then it is you who is the crazy one.
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This is crazy even for you
I was referring only to the TE......who made the Pro Bowl just last year. Or did you think I meant all those players? If so, then it is you who is the crazy one.
I was referring only to the TE......who made the Pro Bowl just last year. Or did you think I meant all those players? If so, then it is you who is the crazy one.
I know you meant the TE and he's sucked every year but one in a 9 year career. Not even as good as Pro Bowler Jordan Cameron.
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well....in Gips defense......if you make the Pro-Bowl, then you are Pro-Bowl caliber.....simple....
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well....in Gips defense......if you make the Pro-Bowl, then you are Pro-Bowl caliber.....simple....
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I was referring only to the TE......who made the Pro Bowl just last year. Or did you think I meant all those players? If so, then it is you who is the crazy one.
I know you meant the TE and he's sucked every year but one in a 9 year career. Not even as good as Pro Bowler Jordan Cameron.
I know you meant the TE and he's sucked every year but one in a 9 year career. Not even as good as Pro Bowler Jordan Cameron.
Jordan who??
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well....in Gips defense......if you make the Pro-Bowl, then you are Pro-Bowl caliber.....simple....
well....in Gips defense......if you make the Pro-Bowl, then you are Pro-Bowl caliber.....simple....
Awesome, Derek Anderson Pro-Bowl caliber QB, too easy Mud
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yep....lots of one year wonders.....including Anderson.....but Probowl is Probowl.....
Just confirms that Pro Bowl caliber and HOF caliber are different levels......and adds light to the reason that so many are described as "multiple" or 'perennial" .....
yep....lots of one year wonders.....including Anderson.....but Probowl is Probowl.....
Just confirms that Pro Bowl caliber and HOF caliber are different levels......and adds light to the reason that so many are described as "multiple" or 'perennial" .....
We will disagree on that one, caliber to me suggests more than a one hit wonder. I'd say by your definition using the term "pro-bowl caliber" is meaningless to evaluate a players talent.
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Ok....Ill agree to disagree....no biggie....
So....IF you make the Pro Bowl and are, in fact, a Pro Bowl player.....but not considered Pro Bowl caliber?......what makes one Pro Bowl caliber?
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yep....lots of one year wonders.....including Anderson.....but Probowl is Probowl.....
Just confirms that Pro Bowl caliber and HOF caliber are different levels......and adds light to the reason that so many are described as "multiple" or 'perennial" .....
We will disagree on that one, caliber to me suggests more than a one hit wonder. I'd say by your definition using the term "pro-bowl caliber" is meaningless to evaluate a players talent.
We will disagree on that one, caliber to me suggests more than a one hit wonder. I'd say by your definition using the term "pro-bowl caliber" is meaningless to evaluate a players talent.
To put things into perspective, Derek Anderson is a Pro Bowl QB.
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Ok....Ill agree to disagree....no biggie....
So....IF you make the Pro Bowl and are, in fact, a Pro Bowl player.....but not considered Pro Bowl caliber?......what makes one Pro Bowl caliber?
Ok....Ill agree to disagree....no biggie....
So....IF you make the Pro Bowl and are, in fact, a Pro Bowl player.....but not considered Pro Bowl caliber?......what makes one Pro Bowl caliber?
Difference between "making" the Pro Bowl and playing in it.
After 5 QBs bail with phantom injuries.
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