Could Hue be one and done?
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True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
....and you can bet he has final say on who comes aboard & who leaves. That's what Hue needs.
I only became successful in management after I got that control. I've always believed that the Coach MUST identify with their Team Players & that only happens as a result of said Coach having major involvement in player interview/evaluation.
Mike
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I hear you, Mike, but I'm not convinced Hue is the guy to give that control to...
Bill has earned that right, but thanks to the continuity of his long association with Adams, he probably doesn't spend more than an hour a week during the season thinking about prospects excepting what positions need upgrading or a succession plan. However, once the final gun of their final game sounds the end of his game review, I'm betting he shifts gears like a mofo...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I hear you, Mike, but I'm not convinced Hue is the guy to give that control to...
Bill has earned that right, but thanks to the continuity of his long association with Adams, he probably doesn't spend more than an hour a week during the season thinking about prospects excepting what positions need upgrading or a succession plan. However, once the final gun of their final game sounds the end of his game review, I'm betting he shifts gears like a mofo...
I hear you, Mike, but I'm not convinced Hue is the guy to give that control to...
Bill has earned that right, but thanks to the continuity of his long association with Adams, he probably doesn't spend more than an hour a week during the season thinking about prospects excepting what positions need upgrading or a succession plan. However, once the final gun of their final game sounds the end of his game review, I'm betting he shifts gears like a mofo...
Ah yes, Mi compadre, let us back the truck up to earlier in the year....
Hue creams his pants watching R Glass III running around in a t-shirt and shorts. Hey Hueless the Clueless. I've been to a training camp, or 10, and watching the qbs warm up, it looks like all their passes are laser guided- with zero pressure on them. Put some heat on them- and decipher an NFL defense- not so easy.
Draft Day 2 "Just trust me on this one." That you found our backup qb in the third round? Sort of like Holmgren with The Real McCoy. Kessler might be a tad better than Colt, or Charlie's Fries- but Kess is one KO away from sitting out a year.
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True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
....and you can bet he has final say on who comes aboard & who leaves. That's what Hue needs.
I only became successful in management after I got that control. I've always believed that the Coach MUST identify with their Team Players & that only happens as a result of said Coach having major involvement in player interview/evaluation.
Mike
....and you can bet he has final say on who comes aboard & who leaves. That's what Hue needs.
Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!!
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Anyone who thinks Hue Jackson is not the right coach for this job should listen to Herm Edwards because he gets it.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Now we look to herm edwards as the definitive voice on coaching resumes?
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Anyone who thinks Hue Jackson is not the right coach for this job should listen to Herm Edwards because he gets it.
Anyone who thinks Hue Jackson is not the right coach for this job should listen to Herm Edwards because he gets it.
I'm a stick with Hue guy, but...
I want to see him get a real OC.
Been thinking on the whole "PFF is a joke because they rate our OL high individually yet we suck collectively" argument. That failure is in a word "coaching". Is it on Hue? Pep? The position coaches? I'd argue all of the above... and that's knowing that if all are accountable, then none are responsible.
Certainly the position coaches can coach technique when it comes to coordinating assignments, but then there's a whole 'nother level of OL coordination within the play, with the TE assignment(s), with the RB assignment(s)... and that usually falls to an OC... the coach with the full picture of what a play should look like in his mind.
I just can't see our HC doing his job plus an OCs plus coaching QBs (plus ???) without something going wanting. Maybe Pep can fill the gap, but that doesn't feel seamless from play conception thru installation thru repetitions to a final polished product.
Give up the Offensive reins, Hue... including play calling. Let your fully committed OC with his feel for what will work based upon his total immersion in the preparation process make the calls. You can still control the "aggression dial" on game day... and coach up your OC... like a HC should.
Any freed up time might be well spent with the DC. It's rumored he could use a little help as well...
End of HC rant V3.0...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Jimmy will have no choice. What can Hue say to Jimmy to save his job? Maybe if he wins 2 of the last 4 games....maybe. If he goes 0 for 16,its over. Most of the fans won't want him here anymore either.
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If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...
There will of course, though, be a season review - did we meet expectations? If not, why not? Because our starting QB got injured after one game? Because our OL hasn't been as good as required without Mack and Schwartz? Because our secondary has been plagued by injuries?
The questions need asking, and the answers are there.
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It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...
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If the org had the 'tank' going into the season what kind of expectations could there have been?
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The offense was not the problem for most of the season, dont understand anyone calling fir hue to give up on offense. Thats his specialty leave him there. We can judge him once he's had a few years to build an o line. The current one is awful....what oc out there could work with this dumpster fire?
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If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...
There will of course, though, be a season review - did we meet expectations? If not, why not? Because our starting QB got injured after one game? Because our OL hasn't been as good as required without Mack and Schwartz? Because our secondary has been plagued by injuries?
The questions need asking, and the answers are there.
did we meet expectations? The questions need asking, and the answers are there.
I agree. The correct questions are.. Who set those expectations? What, precisely, was the basis for each expectation? What was the metric by which that expectation is measured? What was the explicit understanding with Hue when the assumptions behind those expectations proved to be completely false?
For example: An expectation could have been competent line play, as measured by sacks allowed or rushing totals. But whoever set that expectation clearly didn't anticipate Turnstile Erving.. and thus that expectation would have to be thrown out.
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It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...
It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...
I am no gambler, but I would bet that the words I highlighted will NEVER come out of Hue Jackson's mouth.
IMHO, his job is safe & should be. As Tour mentioned, Hue needs to delegate the OC function OFF his own shoulders, and I'm sure there are other areas upon which he can improve, but the man is a tough, determined leader (proven at the NFL before this year) & he will get the job done given time & the proper tools.
As Bob Dylan would say...."Hue ain't a goin' nowhere"
Mike
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....and you can bet he has final say on who comes aboard & who leaves. That's what Hue needs.
Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!!
Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!!
Gumby,
Thanks for the Birthday wish. If you get to Canton, we'll take in the Hall of Fame & throw down some Old Leg Humpers!
Mike
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Odds on firing HCs on the hot seat came out today. The odds on Hue getting fired are horrible. So that's a good sign.
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Oct. 26 article: http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/nfl-head-coach-be-fired-betting-odds
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