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Could Hue be one and done?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...

    @tour2ma said:

    If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...

    There will of course, though, be a season review - did we meet expectations? If not, why not? Because our starting QB got injured after one game? Because our OL hasn't been as good as required without Mack and Schwartz? Because our secondary has been plagued by injuries?

    The questions need asking, and the answers are there.

    U 1 Reply

  • Sure... but that's not the same as making a case to save your job... or at least it shouldn't be...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...

    Canton MikeC 1 Reply

  • If the org had the 'tank' going into the season what kind of expectations could there have been?

    the season review ends up being a knock on the FO and not on the coaching IMO.

  • The offense was not the problem for most of the season, dont understand anyone calling fir hue to give up on offense. Thats his specialty leave him there. We can judge him once he's had a few years to build an o line. The current one is awful....what oc out there could work with this dumpster fire?

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @tour2ma said:

    If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...

    There will of course, though, be a season review - did we meet expectations? If not, why not? Because our starting QB got injured after one game? Because our OL hasn't been as good as required without Mack and Schwartz? Because our secondary has been plagued by injuries?

    The questions need asking, and the answers are there.

    @gftchris said:

    did we meet expectations? The questions need asking, and the answers are there.

    I agree. The correct questions are.. Who set those expectations? What, precisely, was the basis for each expectation? What was the metric by which that expectation is measured? What was the explicit understanding with Hue when the assumptions behind those expectations proved to be completely false?

    For example: An expectation could have been competent line play, as measured by sacks allowed or rushing totals. But whoever set that expectation clearly didn't anticipate Turnstile Erving.. and thus that expectation would have to be thrown out.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • gftChrisG gftChris

    It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...

    @gftchris said:

    It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...

    I am no gambler, but I would bet that the words I highlighted will NEVER come out of Hue Jackson's mouth.

    IMHO, his job is safe & should be. As Tour mentioned, Hue needs to delegate the OC function OFF his own shoulders, and I'm sure there are other areas upon which he can improve, but the man is a tough, determined leader (proven at the NFL before this year) & he will get the job done given time & the proper tools.

    As Bob Dylan would say...."Hue ain't a goin' nowhere"

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
    👍
  • gumby73G gumby73

    @canton-mike said:

    ....and you can bet he has final say on who comes aboard & who leaves. That's what Hue needs.

    Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!! 🙂

    @gumby73 said:

    Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!! 🙂

    Gumby,

    Thanks for the Birthday wish. If you get to Canton, we'll take in the Hall of Fame & throw down some Old Leg Humpers!

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
    👍

  • Odds on firing HCs on the hot seat came out today. The odds on Hue getting fired are horrible. So that's a good sign.

  • Most recent odds that google is showing are from late October...

    Link?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Oct. 26 article: http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/nfl-head-coach-be-fired-betting-odds

  • Hue won't be one and done. JT's words regarding "culture" are spot on:

    "I'm not sure that I've ever believed in culture or anything like that. To me, that's just a matter of, do you have good players that play well? Then all of a sudden you have a winning culture."

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug

    "It's never ok to lose a game"

    Nick Saban

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    "It's never ok to lose a game"

    Nick Saban

    Lost his last three games as Dolphins coach and promptly quit on them.

    Is someone getting the impression that Hue thinks it is OK, to lose? Because I sure as hell am not.

    Zombo

    MudflyM 1 Reply

  • I'm not an advocate for firing Hue, or Pettine, or Chud, I feel its counterproductive when you have to start all over again.

    The guy that worries me is Haslam, he seems to have a twitchy trigger finger when it comes to firing people.

    Instead of setting his sights on the coaching staff, he needs to look at the people bringing in these guys posing as football players.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    I'm not an advocate for firing Hue, or Pettine, or Chud, I feel its counterproductive when you have to start all over again.

    The guy that worries me is Haslam, he seems to have a twitchy trigger finger when it comes to firing people.

    Instead of setting his sights on the coaching staff, he needs to look at the people bringing in these guys posing as football players.

    @canton-dawg said:

    twitchy trigger finger

    Say that 5 times fast

    T Tour2maT The GipperT 3 Replies
  • D BoneD D Bone

    @canton-dawg said:

    twitchy trigger finger

    Say that 5 times fast

    @d-bone said:

    Say that 5 times fast

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @canton-dawg said:

    twitchy trigger finger

    Say that 5 times fast

    @d-bone said:

    Say that 5 times fast

    Piece of cake compared to "toy boat"...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @d-bone said:

    Say that 5 times fast

    Piece of cake compared to "toy boat"...

    @tour2ma said:

    Piece of cake compared to "toy boat"...

    Or "the sixth sheik's sixth sheep is sick".

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @tour2ma said:

    Piece of cake compared to "toy boat"...

    Or "the sixth sheik's sixth sheep is sick".

    @canton-dawg said:

    Or "the sixth sheik's sixth sheep is sick".

    lmao... even mentally I was fucking that one up...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • D BoneD D Bone

    @canton-dawg said:

    twitchy trigger finger

    Say that 5 times fast

    @d-bone said:

    Say that 5 times fast

    Or: Twitchy Twat tickler

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