Could Hue be one and done?
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Anyone who thinks Hue Jackson is not the right coach for this job should listen to Herm Edwards because he gets it.
Anyone who thinks Hue Jackson is not the right coach for this job should listen to Herm Edwards because he gets it.
I'm a stick with Hue guy, but...
I want to see him get a real OC.
Been thinking on the whole "PFF is a joke because they rate our OL high individually yet we suck collectively" argument. That failure is in a word "coaching". Is it on Hue? Pep? The position coaches? I'd argue all of the above... and that's knowing that if all are accountable, then none are responsible.
Certainly the position coaches can coach technique when it comes to coordinating assignments, but then there's a whole 'nother level of OL coordination within the play, with the TE assignment(s), with the RB assignment(s)... and that usually falls to an OC... the coach with the full picture of what a play should look like in his mind.
I just can't see our HC doing his job plus an OCs plus coaching QBs (plus ???) without something going wanting. Maybe Pep can fill the gap, but that doesn't feel seamless from play conception thru installation thru repetitions to a final polished product.
Give up the Offensive reins, Hue... including play calling. Let your fully committed OC with his feel for what will work based upon his total immersion in the preparation process make the calls. You can still control the "aggression dial" on game day... and coach up your OC... like a HC should.
Any freed up time might be well spent with the DC. It's rumored he could use a little help as well...
End of HC rant V3.0...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Jimmy will have no choice. What can Hue say to Jimmy to save his job? Maybe if he wins 2 of the last 4 games....maybe. If he goes 0 for 16,its over. Most of the fans won't want him here anymore either.
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If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...
There will of course, though, be a season review - did we meet expectations? If not, why not? Because our starting QB got injured after one game? Because our OL hasn't been as good as required without Mack and Schwartz? Because our secondary has been plagued by injuries?
The questions need asking, and the answers are there.
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It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...
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If the org had the 'tank' going into the season what kind of expectations could there have been?
the season review ends up being a knock on the FO and not on the coaching IMO. -
The offense was not the problem for most of the season, dont understand anyone calling fir hue to give up on offense. Thats his specialty leave him there. We can judge him once he's had a few years to build an o line. The current one is awful....what oc out there could work with this dumpster fire?
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If Hue has to say anything, then he was lied to going into this situation...
There will of course, though, be a season review - did we meet expectations? If not, why not? Because our starting QB got injured after one game? Because our OL hasn't been as good as required without Mack and Schwartz? Because our secondary has been plagued by injuries?
The questions need asking, and the answers are there.
did we meet expectations? The questions need asking, and the answers are there.
I agree. The correct questions are.. Who set those expectations? What, precisely, was the basis for each expectation? What was the metric by which that expectation is measured? What was the explicit understanding with Hue when the assumptions behind those expectations proved to be completely false?
For example: An expectation could have been competent line play, as measured by sacks allowed or rushing totals. But whoever set that expectation clearly didn't anticipate Turnstile Erving.. and thus that expectation would have to be thrown out.
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It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...
It can lead to it if the answers are the same every time. "Why did we suck?" "because the players aren't good enough..." leads to the FO getting a seat warmer...
I am no gambler, but I would bet that the words I highlighted will NEVER come out of Hue Jackson's mouth.
IMHO, his job is safe & should be. As Tour mentioned, Hue needs to delegate the OC function OFF his own shoulders, and I'm sure there are other areas upon which he can improve, but the man is a tough, determined leader (proven at the NFL before this year) & he will get the job done given time & the proper tools.
As Bob Dylan would say...."Hue ain't a goin' nowhere"
Mike
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....and you can bet he has final say on who comes aboard & who leaves. That's what Hue needs.
Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!!
Kinda a mixed mess in decisions making with Hue & Sashi..Rams S Rodney Mcleod was a close miss in FA period with Browns. We settled for Rahim Moore. Mcleod a Eagle giving them the leadership Campbell & Kindred could really use.And a chance to play Campbell/Kindred at FS was missed? goes to gm, But Reynolds looks like a good pick-up.. Hue sits with a RG3 decision pending a lightning bolt. Not sure if Hawk's previous time with Hue made Gabe expendable? But we knew they were going to keep there drafted news pups. But all 5 of them at WR? I just see Bill playing this out differently. Happy Birthday!! Canton "Old LegHumpper" Mike!!!
Gumby,
Thanks for the Birthday wish. If you get to Canton, we'll take in the Hall of Fame & throw down some Old Leg Humpers!
Mike
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Odds on firing HCs on the hot seat came out today. The odds on Hue getting fired are horrible. So that's a good sign.
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Oct. 26 article: http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/nfl-head-coach-be-fired-betting-odds
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Hue won't be one and done. JT's words regarding "culture" are spot on:
"I'm not sure that I've ever believed in culture or anything like that. To me, that's just a matter of, do you have good players that play well? Then all of a sudden you have a winning culture."
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"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
Lost his last three games as Dolphins coach and promptly quit on them.
Is someone getting the impression that Hue thinks it is OK, to lose? Because I sure as hell am not.
Zombo
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I'm not an advocate for firing Hue, or Pettine, or Chud, I feel its counterproductive when you have to start all over again.
The guy that worries me is Haslam, he seems to have a twitchy trigger finger when it comes to firing people.
Instead of setting his sights on the coaching staff, he needs to look at the people bringing in these guys posing as football players.
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I'm not an advocate for firing Hue, or Pettine, or Chud, I feel its counterproductive when you have to start all over again.
The guy that worries me is Haslam, he seems to have a twitchy trigger finger when it comes to firing people.
Instead of setting his sights on the coaching staff, he needs to look at the people bringing in these guys posing as football players.
twitchy trigger finger
Say that 5 times fast
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twitchy trigger finger
Say that 5 times fast
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twitchy trigger finger
Say that 5 times fast
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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