Who takes the fall?
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Amazed that folks still do not get our FO's structure...
I don't think "getting it"...the structure... is the issue....it is having faith in the ability of the occupants of that structure. Or disagreeing with their tactic of stripping this team down to look like that statue a couple of posts above, then trying to recloth it using grass clippings and moss scrapings
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Amazed that folks still do not get our FO's structure...
I suppose the idea of the team actually sticking with a regime and letting them build something instead of expecting instant success seems hard to grasp as it hasn't happened here in a long time.
I don't think "getting it"...the structure... is the issue....it is having faith in the ability of the occupants of that structure. Or disagreeing with their tactic of stripping this team down to look like that statue a couple of posts above, then trying to recloth it using grass clippings and moss scrapings
They aren't trying to recloth it using grass clipping and moss scrapings, they are trying to recloth it using grass seeds and saplings. They may not be much now, but they'll grow into something if you give it time. Whatever 'clothes' we had before stripping the statue down must've been picked up from the local thrift shop because it only got us three wins.
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Amazed that folks still do not get our FO's structure...
I suppose the idea of the team actually sticking with a regime and letting them build something instead of expecting instant success seems hard to grasp as it hasn't happened here in a long time.
I don't think "getting it"...the structure... is the issue....it is having faith in the ability of the occupants of that structure. Or disagreeing with their tactic of stripping this team down to look like that statue a couple of posts above, then trying to recloth it using grass clippings and moss scrapings
They aren't trying to recloth it using grass clipping and moss scrapings, they are trying to recloth it using grass seeds and saplings. They may not be much now, but they'll grow into something if you give it time. Whatever 'clothes' we had before stripping the statue down must've been picked up from the local thrift shop because it only got us three wins.
I suppose the idea of the team actually sticking with a regime and letting them build something instead of expecting instant success seems hard to grasp as it hasn't happened here in a long time.
They aren't trying to recloth it using grass clipping and moss scrapings, they are trying to recloth it using grass seeds and saplings. They may not be much now, but they'll grow into something if you give it time. Whatever 'clothes' we had before stripping the statue down must've been picked up from the local thrift shop because it only got us three wins.
Which is three more than we have now. I knew before the season we were going to suck, if you remember I put the over under odds at 2-1\2 wins and took the under. But this is an entire different category of suck. Non-competetive suck. Still remember the preseason bleatings- we're rebuilding , but we're trying to win- yeah right- whatever. If this is tank for Trubiski- I suppose I can deal with it.
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jeff fisher is available now he would be a coup for cleveland football if we could get him here
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jeff fisher is available now he would be a coup for cleveland football if we could get him here
jeff fisher is available now he would be a coup for cleveland football if we could get him here
Yeah cause he worked out real well for the Rams..
We need Jon Gruden!!!
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jeff fisher is available now he would be a coup for cleveland football if we could get him here
jeff fisher is available now he would be a coup for cleveland football if we could get him here
Maybe as a defensive coordinator to replace Horton.
I wouldn't mind that so much.
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Fisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
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jeff fisher is available now he would be a coup for cleveland football if we could get him here
Maybe as a defensive coordinator to replace Horton.
I wouldn't mind that so much.
My thought as well. I haven't been to keen on Horton since his first stint here. Fisher could get the D on track quicker and better...imhoMaybe as a defensive coordinator to replace Horton.
I wouldn't mind that so much.
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Fisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseasonFisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseason
Not the Browns. Hue ain't going nowhere. But, now the Rams? Links?
Is ML Woody having a cow yet?
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Amazed that folks still do not get our FO's structure...
I don't think "getting it"...the structure... is the issue....it is having faith in the ability of the occupants of that structure. Or disagreeing with their tactic of stripping this team down to look like that statue a couple of posts above, then trying to recloth it using grass clippings and moss scrapings
I don't think "getting it"...the structure... is the issue....it is having faith in the ability of the occupants of that structure. Or disagreeing with their tactic of stripping this team down to look like that statue a couple of posts above, then trying to recloth it using grass clippings and moss scrapings
It is when folks think Sashi is the guy who decides who we draft.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Everybody, I mean everybody, expected a terrible season possibly the worst in history. Now all of a sudden everybody is shocked that it's coming to pass. I don't touch anything if I own the team. I would be tempted to shitcan the defensive coordinator because he sucked on so many times for so many years but if I'm going to give the rest of the team a break as they come together slowly I guess I can cut Ray Horton some slack. Falling apart at the end of the game winded and giving up points is kind of his MO though.
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For those that watched the last game, the announcers mentioned that they had been in Berea and that the morale and spirit of everyone there was not that of an 0-12 football team. I've heard similar comments from other media people and the players themselves. Everyone is positive because they feel like they are building something and more importantly because Hue Jackson keeps a positive spirit and gets more determined with every loss. He doesn't give up like Pettine and Co. did.
Nothing more than that convinces me that Hue is the right coach for this job. We were never going to win a lot of games this year. Bill Bilichick maybe squeezes a couple out of this roster. The real barometer for Hue's success isn't wins and losses this year, but if he can steer the ship through the shit storm without losing his team's respect, and it's pretty clear that he's doing just that.
Some Browns fans are so beaten down by the losing that they act like they want more of the same pain because that's what you're asking for when you call for Hue Jackson to be fired, and if Hue gets fired because of all your clamoring, you'll get what you deserve.
For those that watched the last game, the announcers mentioned that they had been in Berea and that the morale and spirit of everyone there was not that of an 0-12 football team. I've heard similar comments from other media people and the players themselves. Everyone is positive because they feel like they are building something and more importantly because Hue Jackson keeps a positive spirit and gets more determined with every loss. He doesn't give up like Pettine and Co. did.
Nothing more than that convinces me that Hue is the right coach for this job. We were never going to win a lot of games this year. Bill Bilichick maybe squeezes a couple out of this roster. The real barometer for Hue's success isn't wins and losses this year, but if he can steer the ship through the shit storm without losing his team's respect, and it's pretty clear that he's doing just that.
Some Browns fans are so beaten down by the losing that they act like they want more of the same pain because that's what you're asking for when you call for Hue Jackson to be fired, and if Hue gets fired because of all your clamoring, you'll get what you deserve.
Great post, both as far as the job Hue's done morale-wise and the fate of our team if we fire him.
I can't imagine what it feels like being part of an 0-13 football team. Keeping everyone positive through that kind of storm is a coaching positive all in itself, and Hue seems to have done that. Mud has talked about how all the losing might allow a culture to set in, which would lock the losing in place. Hue seems like the best guy to prevent that from happening.
Through it all, I'm exciting about our direction.
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Fisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseasonFisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseason
Now your agenda is becoming even more clear. You like coaching searches more than actually winning.
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Fisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseason
Now your agenda is becoming even more clear. You like coaching searches more than actually winning.
Now your agenda is becoming even more clear. You like coaching searches more than actually winning.
I'm actually not against that statement. I do enjoy the hunt for talent at all levels
. This is likely why I follow the draft/ncaa football and the endless coaching changes around the league every year because projecting landing spots of talent is always fun but lets be honest with eachother the morning after a good win on sunday is something we can all look foward too
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I don't think "getting it"...the structure... is the issue....it is having faith in the ability of the occupants of that structure. Or disagreeing with their tactic of stripping this team down to look like that statue a couple of posts above, then trying to recloth it using grass clippings and moss scrapings
It is when folks think Sashi is the guy who decides who we draft.
It is when folks think Sashi is the guy who decides who we draft.
Who is it you think DOES make the final decision? assuming its not Jimmy..... Berry? Sorry, no, I think Berry et al make the reccomendations and Sashi pulls the final trigger.
If not...then why does he have the fucking job title.
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Look at what they've given Hue to work with. I can't believe some of you guys are calling for his head when he hardly has any players. Most of these guys wouldn't be on practice squads elsewhere.
Hue Jackson is responsible for the 2016 draft that passed on the top 14 players to get more mediocre players. He owns this team! Kessler in the third still makes me cringe!Look at what they've given Hue to work with. I can't believe some of you guys are calling for his head when he hardly has any players. Most of these guys wouldn't be on practice squads elsewhere.
Hue must not be fired though! He should be forced to coach these guys another year! He picked them; let him coach them.
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Fisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseasonFisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseason
There have been ZERO rumors of Harbaugh coming here as head coach. The rumors of him taking over the Rams just surfaced over the weekend and that train is picking up speed now that Fisher has been shit canned.
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Everybody, I mean everybody, expected a terrible season possibly the worst in history. Now all of a sudden everybody is shocked that it's coming to pass. I don't touch anything if I own the team. I would be tempted to shitcan the defensive coordinator because he sucked on so many times for so many years but if I'm going to give the rest of the team a break as they come together slowly I guess I can cut Ray Horton some slack. Falling apart at the end of the game winded and giving up points is kind of his MO though.
WSS
Everybody, I mean everybody, expected a terrible season possibly the worst in history. Now all of a sudden everybody is shocked that it's coming to pass. I don't touch anything if I own the team. I would be tempted to shitcan the defensive coordinator because he sucked on so many times for so many years but if I'm going to give the rest of the team a break as they come together slowly I guess I can cut Ray Horton some slack. Falling apart at the end of the game winded and giving up points is kind of his MO though.
WSS
Exactly. And one thing that I've seen from this team is that it's a team that hasn't quit despite how bad the season has been and I credit the coach for that.
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Fisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseasonFisher as DC and Harbaugh as HC?
there have been some rumors that Harbaugh is headed to either Cleveland or the Rams this offseason
I doubt he's leaving Michigan anytime soon- for about $9 million reasons. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17892134/michigan-wolverines-coach-jim-harbaugh-salary-tops-list-college-football-coaches More than any NFL coach, including Belichick. He's got lifetime job security there too.
There have been ZERO rumors of Harbaugh coming here as head coach. The rumors of him taking over the Rams just surfaced over the weekend and that train is picking up speed now that Fisher has been shit canned.
Just like Goff, & the billion + pleasure palace, old Kroneke wants to make another splash. Better open your wallet Stan, Jim might start to get interested @ around $15 million, and a chunk of the team.
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It is when folks think Sashi is the guy who decides who we draft.
Who is it you think DOES make the final decision? assuming its not Jimmy..... Berry? Sorry, no, I think Berry et al make the reccomendations and Sashi pulls the final trigger.
If not...then why does he have the fucking job title.
Harbaugh will wear out his welcome in Ann Arbor... just not this soon.
And no way he leaves before he beats Urban and the Bucks...
Who is it you think DOES make the final decision? assuming its not Jimmy..... Berry? Sorry, no, I think Berry et al make the reccomendations and Sashi pulls the final trigger.
If not...then why does he have the fucking job title.
I written it up at least twice, Gip.... and posted at least two articles on it back when the FO was formed.
That means you've read about it at least once and likely all four times.
If you need a refresher, site search "consensus"... it's not a very common word around here.
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