Once in a Lifetime?
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There is always Johnny...
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There is always Johnny...
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Johnny Evans? Punter/QB and could spin the ball on his nose?
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I was just going to post something about Thomas.KCs Dereck Thomas was on his way.....!
In my 49 years of watching the NFL, I've never seen any defensive player get off the snap quicker than Derrick Thomas.
LT was the best LB off the edge, but he wasn't as quick as Thomas.
Too bad he died so young.
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I was just going to post something about Thomas.KCs Dereck Thomas was on his way.....!
In my 49 years of watching the NFL, I've never seen any defensive player get off the snap quicker than Derrick Thomas.
LT was the best LB off the edge, but he wasn't as quick as Thomas.
Too bad he died so young.
I was just going to post something about Thomas.
In my 49 years of watching the NFL, I've never seen any defensive player get off the snap quicker than Derrick Thomas.
LT was the best LB off the edge, but he wasn't as quick as Thomas.
Too bad he died so young.
And that is the reason Von wears #58, his hero was Derrick Thomas. He patterned his own game in a similar way to emulate Thomas.
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I was just going to post something about Thomas.
In my 49 years of watching the NFL, I've never seen any defensive player get off the snap quicker than Derrick Thomas.
LT was the best LB off the edge, but he wasn't as quick as Thomas.
Too bad he died so young.
And that is the reason Von wears #58, his hero was Derrick Thomas. He patterned his own game in a similar way to emulate Thomas.
I wasn't aware of that AG, I now have a bit more respect for Miller.And that is the reason Von wears #58, his hero was Derrick Thomas. He patterned his own game in a similar way to emulate Thomas.
Too bad he doesn't play for my Browns.
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KCs Dereck Thomas was on his way.....!
yes he was.....an amazing player who's career(and life) ended too soon.....
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Jim Brown was the GOAT. Averaged 5.2 yards per rush when teams
did not throw the ball all that much. For another I agree with Bill Belichick
on this~~~ LT. Simply the best LB I have ever seen.
Jim Brown was the GOAT. Averaged 5.2 yards per rush when teams
did not throw the ball all that much. For another I agree with Bill Belichick
on this~~~ LT. Simply the best LB I have ever seen.
I'm not trying to disagree, but I can also hear an argument that in the era of Jim Brown offenses were exclusively designed to run the ball unlike today. Conversely, I can easily say Tom Brady is the best QB I've ever seen play. But it's also objectively true that rules quite literally were made in his favor during his run unlike the greats of yesteryear.
IDK, it's stuff like this that really muddies the waters for me especially in football in saying this guy or that guy was objectively the greatest.
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I wasn't aware of that AG, I now have a bit more respect for Miller.And that is the reason Von wears #58, his hero was Derrick Thomas. He patterned his own game in a similar way to emulate Thomas.
Too bad he doesn't play for my Browns.
I wasn't aware of that AG, I now have a bit more respect for Miller.
Too bad he doesn't play for my Browns.
Get Garrett and we have the larger Clone playing for the Browns. He could easily convert to OLB in the 3-4 and has the speed and flexibility to get around and under the OTs.
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Jim Brown was the GOAT. Averaged 5.2 yards per rush when teams
did not throw the ball all that much. For another I agree with Bill Belichick
on this~~~ LT. Simply the best LB I have ever seen.
I'm not trying to disagree, but I can also hear an argument that in the era of Jim Brown offenses were exclusively designed to run the ball unlike today. Conversely, I can easily say Tom Brady is the best QB I've ever seen play. But it's also objectively true that rules quite literally were made in his favor during his run unlike the greats of yesteryear.
IDK, it's stuff like this that really muddies the waters for me especially in football in saying this guy or that guy was objectively the greatest.
I'm not trying to disagree, but I can also hear an argument that in the era of Jim Brown offenses were exclusively designed to run the ball unlike today. Conversely, I can easily say Tom Brady is the best QB I've ever seen play. But it's also objectively true that rules quite literally were made in his favor during his run unlike the greats of yesteryear.
IDK, it's stuff like this that really muddies the waters for me especially in football in saying this guy or that guy was objectively the greatest.
Certainly emphasis is a consideration, but even in the late 50's early 60's the rushing yardage totals don't look all that impressive compared to today... until you stop to realize the season was 12 games long for the first half of JB's career, when an 1,000-yd season was a true feat. It expanded to 14 starting in '61.
JB certainly stood out in his era. There were years when he simply lapped the field for the rushing crown. Prime example is '58 when he totaled 1,527. Second place? Alan Ameche with 791. But there were other years when the race to the crown was close... and he did lose it once to Jim Taylor.
The longevity of his sheer dominance is what makes his "Once" case. But my eyes make a case for the worth of others so that I can't single him out as a Oncer... Is JB the GOAT? Yes, but in my mind that is a different question... one that requires a name. Something I do not think "Once" does...
Ditto for LT... Taylor not Tomlinson...
Get Garrett and we have the larger Clone playing for the Browns. He could easily convert to OLB...
Easily? You promise?
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I'm not trying to disagree, but I can also hear an argument that in the era of Jim Brown offenses were exclusively designed to run the ball unlike today. Conversely, I can easily say Tom Brady is the best QB I've ever seen play. But it's also objectively true that rules quite literally were made in his favor during his run unlike the greats of yesteryear.
IDK, it's stuff like this that really muddies the waters for me especially in football in saying this guy or that guy was objectively the greatest.
Certainly emphasis is a consideration, but even in the late 50's early 60's the rushing yardage totals don't look all that impressive compared to today... until you stop to realize the season was 12 games long for the first half of JB's career, when an 1,000-yd season was a true feat. It expanded to 14 starting in '61.
JB certainly stood out in his era. There were years when he simply lapped the field for the rushing crown. Prime example is '58 when he totaled 1,527. Second place? Alan Ameche with 791. But there were other years when the race to the crown was close... and he did lose it once to Jim Taylor.
The longevity of his sheer dominance is what makes his "Once" case. But my eyes make a case for the worth of others so that I can't single him out as a Oncer... Is JB the GOAT? Yes, but in my mind that is a different question... one that requires a name. Something I do not think "Once" does...
Ditto for LT... Taylor not Tomlinson...
Get Garrett and we have the larger Clone playing for the Browns. He could easily convert to OLB...
Easily? You promise?
Easily? You promise?
Just as easily as Von does it and like Von they will have to account for him every play or suffer the consequences. That is what I promise.
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Just as easily as Von does it and like Von they will have to account for him every play or suffer the consequences. That is what I promise.
Even tho Von is shorter, lighter and faster?
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Just as easily as Von does it and like Von they will have to account for him every play or suffer the consequences. That is what I promise.
Even tho Von is shorter, lighter and faster?
Even tho Von is shorter, lighter and faster?
Not as much faster than you may think. I'm just saying that he has the talent to play OLB very effectively and would be a QB's nightmare. You don't think Ware isn't also a threat from the ROLB spot? He is closer to Garret's size. Clowney is an even better example with being nearly the same size with similar speed to Garrett. Now that his injuries are better he is coming into his own even without JJ. I just believe you can put him in that ROLB spot in the 3-4 and he will be very productive.
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Von played Butkus Award-caliber 3-4 OLB as a senior. Not exactly apples to apples.
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Von played Butkus Award-caliber 3-4 OLB as a senior. Not exactly apples to apples.
Agree, but my point was I think Garrett is fully capable talentwise of making a Von level OLB conversion if the Browns insist on the 3-4. Ware or Clowney vs. Garrett is actually the better comparison. @ ROLB I think he could exceed both of those guys and get into Von freakishness level of play. Truth is I just want to see the long time Browns fans here have something to look forward to every week with some hope for the long term future. They will get that quicker with him than with another project QB, which is what I see in the draft this year.
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Von played Butkus Award-caliber 3-4 OLB as a senior. Not exactly apples to apples.
Agree, but my point was I think Garrett is fully capable talentwise of making a Von level OLB conversion if the Browns insist on the 3-4. Ware or Clowney vs. Garrett is actually the better comparison. @ ROLB I think he could exceed both of those guys and get into Von freakishness level of play. Truth is I just want to see the long time Browns fans here have something to look forward to every week with some hope for the long term future. They will get that quicker with him than with another project QB, which is what I see in the draft this year.
Agree, but my point was I think Garrett is fully capable talentwise of making a Von level OLB conversion if the Browns insist on the 3-4. Ware or Clowney vs. Garrett is actually the better comparison. @ ROLB I think he could exceed both of those guys and get into Von freakishness level of play. Truth is I just want to see the long time Browns fans here have something to look forward to every week with some hope for the long term future. They will get that quicker with him than with another project QB, which is what I see in the draft this year.
I want Garrett or Allen at #1. I am not on board with any QB in this class going #1. Trubisky at the Eagles pick I can live with.
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Agree, but my point was I think Garrett is fully capable talentwise of making a Von level OLB conversion if the Browns insist on the 3-4. Ware or Clowney vs. Garrett is actually the better comparison. @ ROLB I think he could exceed both of those guys and get into Von freakishness level of play. Truth is I just want to see the long time Browns fans here have something to look forward to every week with some hope for the long term future. They will get that quicker with him than with another project QB, which is what I see in the draft this year.
I want Garrett or Allen at #1. I am not on board with any QB in this class going #1. Trubisky at the Eagles pick I can live with.
Just to play The Devil's Advocate if Mitch drops down to the middle of the first round, folks around here are going to be squeaking about how there were 20 some other teams that didn't want him and if it hadn't been for the stupid Browns he'd have dropped to the third round.I want Garrett or Allen at #1. I am not on board with any QB in this class going #1. Trubisky at the Eagles pick I can live with.
Also people like Mel Kiper will probably pimp quarterbacks so hard that he will wind up going well before that Eagles pick sees the light of day.
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Here are a few "once in a lifetime" type players that my feeble mind anticipated before they were drafted:
1. Marshall Faulk. I remember thinking he was going to be UNSTOPPABLE. He went to the Colts, a very bad team, and he didn't quite live up to all the hype (which was almost impossible). I think he battled injuries, and had some good seasons, but never really blew it out of the water until going to the Rams and being part of that historic offense. I still remember those Rams teams and it was some of the most fun I've had watching football. Faulk WAS unstoppable for several years a row.
2. Andrew Luck. He was slated to be amazing early in his college career, and then shocked everyone by returning to school for another year. As "luck" would have it, the Colts got to have Peyton Manning for 100 years, and then got to draft Andrew freaking Luck. Who said life is fair?
3. Walter Jones, Guard from FSU. Many might not remember this guy, and who honestly remembers Guards? Jones was a JUCO transfer to FSU, started for a bit and destroyed every single person he played against, and then became the best Guard in the NFL for about a decade.
I don't have time to list some of the other ones, but there are definitely more names that come to mind. Cool topic.
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Just to play The Devil's Advocate if Mitch drops down to the middle of the first round, folks around here are going to be squeaking about how there were 20 some other teams that didn't want him and if it hadn't been for the stupid Browns he'd have dropped to the third round.I want Garrett or Allen at #1. I am not on board with any QB in this class going #1. Trubisky at the Eagles pick I can live with.
Also people like Mel Kiper will probably pimp quarterbacks so hard that he will wind up going well before that Eagles pick sees the light of day.
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Just to play The Devil's Advocate if Mitch drops down to the middle of the first round, folks around here are going to be squeaking about how there were 20 some other teams that didn't want him and if it hadn't been for the stupid Browns he'd have dropped to the third round.
Also people like Mel Kiper will probably pimp quarterbacks so hard that he will wind up going well before that Eagles pick sees the light of day.
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I hate to say it but some folks around here are dumber than dog shit haha. They will bitch no matter what happens.
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Just to play The Devil's Advocate if Mitch drops down to the middle of the first round, folks around here are going to be squeaking about how there were 20 some other teams that didn't want him and if it hadn't been for the stupid Browns he'd have dropped to the third round.I want Garrett or Allen at #1. I am not on board with any QB in this class going #1. Trubisky at the Eagles pick I can live with.
Also people like Mel Kiper will probably pimp quarterbacks so hard that he will wind up going well before that Eagles pick sees the light of day.
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Just to play The Devil's Advocate if Mitch drops down to the middle of the first round, folks around here are going to be squeaking about how there were 20 some other teams that didn't want him and if it hadn't been for the stupid Browns he'd have dropped to the third round.
Also people like Mel Kiper will probably pimp quarterbacks so hard that he will wind up going well before that Eagles pick sees the light of day.
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First he will be pimped so hard he won't make it that far down, but if he is there for our 2nd first rounder, the Browns will jump in with both feet.
But if we take him #1 overall you can bet it will look like this with the rest of the NFL looking like Brer Fox.
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