My case for Fournette #1 overall

jrb12711

RB is one of those positions where you can get a lot of value in the later rounds. I know you guys are gonna go "but look at Zeke" and yes, that dude is balling out. But you also gotta realize that Demarcus Murray (drafted in the 3rd round) had very similar stats to Zeke back in 2014. It comes down so much at that position to finding a guy who fits your scheme (see Arian Foster) which is littered in later rounds of the draft.

Don't get me wrong, I like Fournette a whole lot. If the guy was lingering around at the Eagles pick I certainly wouldn't be upset if they scooped him up. But number one overall is a bit steep.

secondwave

I love Fournette, and there's a part of me that believes he's a better prospect than Elliott, but we have far too many pressing needs. I'd rather have one of the Alabama boys on D if either fall to us: Marlon Humphrey or Rueben Foster.

The thought of drafting a combination of Garrett/Allen + Foster/Humphrey with the first two picks gets me pumped for next year.

gftChris

Way I look at it, a guy like Zeke is basically scheme-free. That is, he has the skill set to thrive in any scheme you put him in. Which means wherever he goes, he'll do well. Good for him, and he may end up in the HoF with lots of money.

But, you don't need a guy like that. You need a guy that fits your scheme, and nothing more. Crowell and Johnson could do great things with solid run blocking. Or, you can find a guy with the skill set to match your scheme later on in the draft, or even undrafted. Like Arian Foster going undrafted then finding the perfect home in the ZBS in Houston, or Alfred Morris - he was too slow to be taken higher than the sixth round, but was a perfect fit for Kyle Shannahan's scheme. Or, as mentioned, DeMarco Murray. David Johnson was another third round guy.

gftChris

@secondwave said:

I love Fournette, and there's a part of me that believes he's a better prospect than Elliott, but we have far too many pressing needs. I'd rather have one of the Alabama boys on D if either fall to us: Marlon Humphrey or Rueben Foster.

The thought of drafting a combination of Garrett/Allen + Foster/Humphrey with the first two picks gets me pumped for next year.

I'm all in on that, though I'd argue we have greater needs than ILB, and Foster would be another luxury. Garrett/Allen and Humphrey/DB would be perfect for me.

TexasAg1969

Next year-Guice-LSU

2016 LSU 157 1249 8.0/carry 96(longest run) 14TD

2015 LSU 51 436 8.5/carry 50(LR) 3TD

calfoxwc

you have to fix the oline or you can't run or pass well. have to get the right qb or you can't pass well.

Have to be able to block. Early first round picks have to have immediate, dynamic

impact on your team. If you are the Cowboys, etc... you have the luxury of drafting a qb

that isn't going to start right away, but come on...

the question is, which player can come in and be a game changer, the most dramatic addition to your team?

If could be Trabisky, or Allen, or Garrett, or Foster or Hooker, some other names... with the second pick.

Can you get a dramatic impact edge rusher later? maybe, if you are smart. Can you get a dramatic impact

qb later? yeah, if you are very smart, and extremely lucky, like the Cowboys. I would love for the Browns to have

drafted Elliot. But seriously, with the oline right side, qb situation, may as well not play him much, he would have

been battered all to often behind the los. Nobody fears ignoring the pass game of the Browns. McCown can put

up huge numbers, and they still lose.

They aren't complete enough as a team to compete and win games. First year, it is just what is it. But you never

get there, unless you get started on the right path. We are there. Ya only have one draft a year, so it's ludicrous to

think the sky is falling just because we have a winless team so far.

This next draft is crucial, and it's going to be fascinating.

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Fournette would be a great second pick in the first rd.

BaconHound

@mudfly said:
While I think he'd be an awesome add to our team......I think our needs are so much deeper elsewhere...so Id avoid picking a RB that high.....Id prefer to wait for some strength on D and an improved OL before I start adding more O skill players...

And Mixon may fall to late 2nd earlier 3rd and he would be a nice compliment to Crow

TexasAg1969

@baconhound said:

And Mixon may fall to late 2nd earlier 3rd and he would be a nice compliment to Crow

Joe Mixon the woman hitter? No thanks.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/23/joe-mixon-press-conference-oklahoma/

BaconHound

@texasag1969 said:

Joe Mixon the woman hitter? No thanks.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/23/joe-mixon-press-conference-oklahoma/

I'm an OU fan an agree it looks bad but the talent is there. Someone is going to take the chance. Mixon is better than Demarco Murray and almost as good as Peterson.

D Bone

@calfoxwc said:
it's ludicrous to think the sky is falling just because we have a winless team so far

If we in fact put the 0 and 16 in 2016 and that doesn't mean the sky is falling, then damn, I would hate to see how many losses it takes for you to look up.

Clevfan4life

Havent duke and crow been performing fairly admirably for running behind one of thevworst o lines in football?

BaconHound

@clevfan4life said:
Havent duke and crow been performing fairly admirably for running behind one of thevworst o lines in football?

Absolutely but Mixon is the real deal. He is Zeke Elliott

Orion

A RB #1 overall? Really...

Mr. Make-Believe

Absolutely zero interest in this idea.

I'd be livid.

gumby73

let me guess..another Leonard "Adrian Foster" Fournette? good luck staying healthy all 17 weeks with this guy too

tiamat63

@baconhound said:

Absolutely but Mixon is the real deal. He is Zeke Elliott

Trolololololol.

LogicIsForSquares

@nickers said:
Yes! lets draft more fatass lineman.. thats really gotten us to so many superbowls... We cant even pass or catch the football because our QB's blow and our WR's are average at best.. but lets continue drafting fatass lineman.. it has worked so well in the past.. NOT!

This gimmick wasn't even good the first time.

PoeticG

It's a possibility that we could take Trubisky first then pick Fournette with our second first.

The WR position was addressed last season.

With Gordon, Pryor, Coleman, Higgins, Hawkins, Louis and Payton we should be set. Most WR come to the next level in their second season so really just about all of them could make the jump! That jump would be even further amplified by a solid and dependable starter at both QB and RB.

I think we've found our long term backup in Kessler, the kids a champ... just not elite. With Trubisky, Kessler and Hogan at QB I would feel pretty comfortable at that position for a while. Then we would have found solutions to QB-HB1/HB2-WR1/2/3/4- and all that really needs tweaked would be the center position. Hell, maybe a healthy and conditioned Erving could make a comeback next season?

The Defense did a good job early in the season... too many injuries and too many reps killed that unit. Next season with an improved Offense this defense could shine.

Just a thought.

wargograw

@baconhound said:

I'm an OU fan an agree it looks bad but the talent is there. Someone is going to take the chance. Mixon is better than Demarco Murray and almost as good as Peterson.

You can't possibly actually believe either of those.