Just 3-4 players off
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Actually, the 3-4 positions are the QB, OC, and WR mainly.
I think the combo of Crowe/Duke could....given proper circumstances, match Bell in production. We got nobody to match A. Brown...I don't think. (Does anyone think that Coleman or Pryor can do that?).
We had an OC as good as Pouncey in Mack. But he is gone. But I think that if Elflein or Pocic are drafted that the Browns could make up some ground there.
The big one, of course is QB. And I think I know a guy that we can get that can at least give us a chance there for the future.
And someone said: coaching. Well, yes....I don't have an answer for that.
I'm not too worried about WR, assuming we re-sign Pryor. I was extremely disappointed with Coleman's numbers, but I have to keep in mind he was a rookie playing with less than ideal QB play. Pryor somehow managed 1000 yards with the baboons playing QB for us and facing constant defensive scrutiny. Could we use a WR upgrade? Certainly, but it's not as dire as some of the others. We do need a center, and that's something we could spend a high pick on. The guys you mentioned are studs, but I'm a little turned off by Pocic now that I've researched him a tiny bit. Specifically, I don't like his size and build. He reminds me a little bit of Cam Erving (taller center), and if I had the choice, I would rather go with Elflein. Back to WR....let's give Coleman a little bit of a break. I know he was a disappointment to many, but let's keep in mind that Antonio Brown didn't have as good of a rookie season as Coleman did. I'm NOT comparing Coleman to Brown talent wise, and I'm NOT saying Corey will be the next top NFL WR, I'm simply pointing out that some talented NFL WR's took some time to get seasoned.
The QB situation is what everyone will be talking about for MONTHS to come. My bet is that we draft someone high and also bring in a veteran. Somebody like Mike Glennon, Tyrod Taylor, or possibly a trade for Garoppolo, although I doubt it severely.
I'm not too worried about WR, assuming we re-sign Pryor. I was extremely disappointed with Coleman's numbers, but I have to keep in mind he was a rookie playing with less than ideal QB play. Pryor somehow managed 1000 yards with the baboons playing QB for us and facing constant defensive scrutiny. Could we use a WR upgrade? Certainly, but it's not as dire as some of the others.
I agree...we have some potential at WR. But that potential HAS to come forth. I still don't think that other teams "fear" the Browns WR corps. Maybe Coleman/Pryor can develop...there is some raw material. But we need a finished product out there.
We do need a center, and that's something we could spend a high pick on. The guys you mentioned are studs, but I'm a little turned off by Pocic now that I've researched him a tiny bit. Specifically, I don't like his size and build. He reminds me a little bit of Cam Erving (taller center), and if I had the choice, I would rather go with Elflein.
OK, isn't there another guy....the Michigan center who may be worth a look as well? And, I see what you mean. Pocic is 6'6" very tall for a center. That is more tackle height.
Back to WR....let's give Coleman a little bit of a break. I know he was a disappointment to many, but let's keep in mind that Antonio Brown didn't have as good of a rookie season as Coleman did. I'm NOT comparing Coleman to Brown talent wise, and I'm NOT saying Corey will be the next top NFL WR, I'm simply pointing out that some talented NFL WR's took some time to get seasoned.
The QB situation is what everyone will be talking about for MONTHS to come. My bet is that we draft someone high and also bring in a veteran. Somebody like Mike Glennon, Tyrod Taylor, or possibly a trade for Garoppolo, although I doubt it severely.
Or keep RG and Kessler and draft that guy. Right now, that is the plan I personally favor. Its a continuity issue.
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This thread made me chuckle!
You never learn.....and that's what makes you funny
The proof is in the pudding.....without BR/Bell/Brown the Browns whipped the Steelers ass up and down pretty much.
Do you disagree that the Browns beat themselves with all their fuckups?
The proof is in the pudding.....without BR/Bell/Brown the Browns whipped the Steelers ass up and down pretty much.
Do you disagree that the Browns beat themselves with all their fuckups?
The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven. Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
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The proof is in the pudding.....without BR/Bell/Brown the Browns whipped the Steelers ass up and down pretty much.
Do you disagree that the Browns beat themselves with all their fuckups?
The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven. Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
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Also mostly in agreement here. My exceptions would be to:
- Point C... While you might make a case that Crow's talent approaches DeAngelo's, Bell is beyond comparison with anyone on our current roster.
- I think I said that the combination of Crowe and Duke give us a package of diversity that Bell brings on his own. If they were utilized properly...those two could come close to equally the productivity that Bell puts out.
- And Point F... "culture change" is at this juncture largely a product, not an input. The FO and staff have both done their jobs setting standards. Now it's the improvement that has to kick in.
- Well, the "Culture" may be more than a product and an input combined. It is the most intangible factor....and the hardest to grasp how to change.
Also mostly in agreement here. My exceptions would be to:
- Point C... While you might make a case that Crow's talent approaches DeAngelo's, Bell is beyond comparison with anyone on our current roster.
- I think I said that the combination of Crowe and Duke give us a package of diversity that Bell brings on his own. If they were utilized properly...those two could come close to equally the productivity that Bell puts out.
- And Point F... "culture change" is at this juncture largely a product, not an input. The FO and staff have both done their jobs setting standards. Now it's the improvement that has to kick in.
- Well, the "Culture" may be more than a product and an input combined. It is the most intangible factor....and the hardest to grasp how to change.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
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Also mostly in agreement here. My exceptions would be to:
- Point C... While you might make a case that Crow's talent approaches DeAngelo's, Bell is beyond comparison with anyone on our current roster.
- I think I said that the combination of Crowe and Duke give us a package of diversity that Bell brings on his own. If they were utilized properly...those two could come close to equally the productivity that Bell puts out.
- And Point F... "culture change" is at this juncture largely a product, not an input. The FO and staff have both done their jobs setting standards. Now it's the improvement that has to kick in.
- Well, the "Culture" may be more than a product and an input combined. It is the most intangible factor....and the hardest to grasp how to change.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
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It's tough to change the culture of a team, while having a myriad of types of the wrong players on your team.
character - bad and good
work ethic - lazy and hard working
football iq - really dumb moves and brilliant instincts
toughness/excellent talent - not into it/leaves for anything for more money and Joe Thomas - stays because he has it all and wants to stay
It is the lack of a solid, complex criteria for bring in players that leads to a hopeless culture.
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Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
Good point here Gip. I wonder about this all the time. Jim Brown/Ernie Green are another good argument for what I remember as good ol' successful Cleveland Browns football!
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The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
I have often believed that you simply can't be that stupid, but you continue to demonstrate that you are.
Take any 3 or 4 players you like and put them on the Browns and they will wallow in mediocrity due to the complete void of talent around them. You simply can't grasp what everyone else knows.....when you change leadership and philosophy every 1.5 years little else matters.....you simply can't be competitive!
The Browns had no incentive to lose for many reasons:
1. They are all professionals who play to win.
2. There is no talent in the upcoming draft which sets a single player above the others so draft picks 1 thru 3 mean little more than the amount you pay for them.
3. The Browns would give their left nut to beat the Steelers and you know it.
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The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
I have often believed that you simply can't be that stupid, but you continue to demonstrate that you are.
Take any 3 or 4 players you like and put them on the Browns and they will wallow in mediocrity due to the complete void of talent around them. You simply can't grasp what everyone else knows.....when you change leadership and philosophy every 1.5 years little else matters.....you simply can't be competitive!
The Browns had no incentive to lose for many reasons:
1. They are all professionals who play to win.
2. There is no talent in the upcoming draft which sets a single player above the others so draft picks 1 thru 3 mean little more than the amount you pay for them.
3. The Browns would give their left nut to beat the Steelers and you know it.
I have often believed that you simply can't be that stupid, but you continue to demonstrate that you are.
Well, I know for a fact that you CAN be that stupid....and you demonstrate it time after time after time.
Take any 3 or 4 players you like
NOT any players: Ben R. A. Brown, Bell. and Pouncey those are the players.
and put them on the Browns and they will wallow in mediocrity due to the complete void of talent around them.
And the entire Steeler team at this point would also wallow in mediocrity because of the void of talent around them if you take those guys off of there. They wallowed in mediocrity on Sunday.
They should have been beaten soundly by a 1-15 team.
You simply can't grasp what everyone else knows.....when you change leadership and philosophy every 1.5 years little else matters.....you simply can't be competitive!
Of course I grasp that the changes of leadership etc. hurt the Browns.....did you not fucking read the original post. I said that the difference between the teams was those 3-4 players....and culture. Again, you pile your obtuseness on top of your stupidity to make a dumbass cake. Put those 3 guys on the Browns....and maybe that culture changes.
The Browns had no incentive to lose for many reasons:
1. They are all professionals who play to win.
Yet....you say that the Steelers did not play to win. So, I guess they are not professionals either?
2. There is no talent in the upcoming draft which sets a single player above the others so draft picks 1 thru 3 mean little more than the amount you pay for them.
We can start with one player. One player, one franchise QB can make all the difference. It apparently makes all the difference to the Steelers, Packers, Patriots etc. Or have you not been watching football at all these last two decades?
3. The Browns would give their left nut to beat the Steelers and you know it.
Apparently not. They had the beat every way to Sunday this past week. Yet the Browns continually gave the game away.
Fumbles, stupid play calls, fuckup after fuckup. They gave their left nut to lose.
All they had to do was like run the ball in from the two. They didn't even try to do that.
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has ever had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
And without those 3 players, the Steelers would be about on par with the Jags, Rams, Bears...and Browns.....proven on Sunday.
Browns had to give tthe game away badly to lose.
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has ever had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
Zombo said:
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has eve had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
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Zombo said:
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has eve had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
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What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Zombo said:
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Personally I'd prefer the Steelers stay good and we rise to their level. Just makes "the rivalry" more real and a helluva a lot more mutual.
OK... their level plus a little...
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What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Zombo said:
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
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Zombo said:
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been)
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
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Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
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Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
Winning is ephemeral for some. Take the Arizona Cardinals. One year up, several years down. Even winning in the short term has not really changed that team's culture.
And as we have seen, certainly for the Cleveland Browns, losing is NOT ephemeral. It may indeed be cultural.
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Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been)
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier. You're a gluehead!
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs. You're a gluehead!
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been) Put a fork in him!
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.....and anyone with a brain would know it.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.
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