Just 3-4 players off
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Also mostly in agreement here. My exceptions would be to:
- Point C... While you might make a case that Crow's talent approaches DeAngelo's, Bell is beyond comparison with anyone on our current roster.
- I think I said that the combination of Crowe and Duke give us a package of diversity that Bell brings on his own. If they were utilized properly...those two could come close to equally the productivity that Bell puts out.
- And Point F... "culture change" is at this juncture largely a product, not an input. The FO and staff have both done their jobs setting standards. Now it's the improvement that has to kick in.
- Well, the "Culture" may be more than a product and an input combined. It is the most intangible factor....and the hardest to grasp how to change.
Also mostly in agreement here. My exceptions would be to:
- Point C... While you might make a case that Crow's talent approaches DeAngelo's, Bell is beyond comparison with anyone on our current roster.
- I think I said that the combination of Crowe and Duke give us a package of diversity that Bell brings on his own. If they were utilized properly...those two could come close to equally the productivity that Bell puts out.
- And Point F... "culture change" is at this juncture largely a product, not an input. The FO and staff have both done their jobs setting standards. Now it's the improvement that has to kick in.
- Well, the "Culture" may be more than a product and an input combined. It is the most intangible factor....and the hardest to grasp how to change.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
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Also mostly in agreement here. My exceptions would be to:
- Point C... While you might make a case that Crow's talent approaches DeAngelo's, Bell is beyond comparison with anyone on our current roster.
- I think I said that the combination of Crowe and Duke give us a package of diversity that Bell brings on his own. If they were utilized properly...those two could come close to equally the productivity that Bell puts out.
- And Point F... "culture change" is at this juncture largely a product, not an input. The FO and staff have both done their jobs setting standards. Now it's the improvement that has to kick in.
- Well, the "Culture" may be more than a product and an input combined. It is the most intangible factor....and the hardest to grasp how to change.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
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It's tough to change the culture of a team, while having a myriad of types of the wrong players on your team.
character - bad and good
work ethic - lazy and hard working
football iq - really dumb moves and brilliant instincts
toughness/excellent talent - not into it/leaves for anything for more money and Joe Thomas - stays because he has it all and wants to stay
It is the lack of a solid, complex criteria for bring in players that leads to a hopeless culture.
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Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
Two RBs blended can't match one player with a wider skill set. You swap and the D says, "Here comes the guy that does Y vs. the starter that does X." And that's ignoring the fact that neither individually can match Bell in speed or elusiveness.
Not sure I agree there. And the answer to the "here comes guy Y is: put them both in the backfield at the same time. What is wrong with that? It worked with Mack/Byner, Csonka/Kiick/Morris Pruitt and Pruitt. It can be done....its just that coaches don't want to play that game anymore....having two good RBs in at the same time. They want 5 WR sets etc. Maybe the Browns should play some old school ball. It wouldn't hurt.
Culture change isn't that hard to figure out. It is hard to implement, but only because it takes consistent application of established standards over time... AKA continuity.
Well, if it was so fucking easy, why didn't the Browns just do that. Maybe we should have just kept Chris Palmer on as HC....hell, if we had just done that we would have had the next Bill Belichick on our hands. Continuity for continuity sakes is no virtue.
Good point here Gip. I wonder about this all the time. Jim Brown/Ernie Green are another good argument for what I remember as good ol' successful Cleveland Browns football!
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The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
I have often believed that you simply can't be that stupid, but you continue to demonstrate that you are.
Take any 3 or 4 players you like and put them on the Browns and they will wallow in mediocrity due to the complete void of talent around them. You simply can't grasp what everyone else knows.....when you change leadership and philosophy every 1.5 years little else matters.....you simply can't be competitive!
The Browns had no incentive to lose for many reasons:
1. They are all professionals who play to win.
2. There is no talent in the upcoming draft which sets a single player above the others so draft picks 1 thru 3 mean little more than the amount you pay for them.
3. The Browns would give their left nut to beat the Steelers and you know it.
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The proof is what makes me chuckle! You are a master at making bold statements which can never be proven.
Its not that it isn't proven, its that you are either too obtuse or you lie to yourself about whatever you see in front of your eyes.
Despite the fact that I believe the Browns are finally doing some things the proper way, they will finish in the bottom ten next year and when they do, you will say they didn't get the right 3 or 4 players.
They may get some of the right players and still finish in the bottom ten.
But, again, you are too obtuse to get my point: Without those 3-4 players, the Steelers would be in the bottom 10 with them.
Sure I agree, that's what bad teams do! And that's why it's hard to play those teams.
The Steelers had nothing to play for, played a disgustingly lack-luster game, and still won. But more importantly, the body of work for the Browns season (not just the snapshot you wish to use) says they are all but 3-4 players away.
Put BR, Brown, and Bell and Pouncey on the Browns and take them away from the Steelers....and what do you think we would have.
We would have the Browns pushing for a playoff spot, and the Steelers would be vying for the Top draft pick.
See, it is as simple as that...but you are too stupid to get it.
Hell, the Browns had more incentive to lose than the Steelers did.
And you think the Steelers played a disgustingly lackluster game? That is what they would look like every game without those guys.
And did you even watch the game? Could anything be more disgusting than the way the Browns played? The way the gave the game away?
Hell, the Browns did their best to give it to you. Finally you were barely able to do so.
I have often believed that you simply can't be that stupid, but you continue to demonstrate that you are.
Take any 3 or 4 players you like and put them on the Browns and they will wallow in mediocrity due to the complete void of talent around them. You simply can't grasp what everyone else knows.....when you change leadership and philosophy every 1.5 years little else matters.....you simply can't be competitive!
The Browns had no incentive to lose for many reasons:
1. They are all professionals who play to win.
2. There is no talent in the upcoming draft which sets a single player above the others so draft picks 1 thru 3 mean little more than the amount you pay for them.
3. The Browns would give their left nut to beat the Steelers and you know it.
I have often believed that you simply can't be that stupid, but you continue to demonstrate that you are.
Well, I know for a fact that you CAN be that stupid....and you demonstrate it time after time after time.
Take any 3 or 4 players you like
NOT any players: Ben R. A. Brown, Bell. and Pouncey those are the players.
and put them on the Browns and they will wallow in mediocrity due to the complete void of talent around them.
And the entire Steeler team at this point would also wallow in mediocrity because of the void of talent around them if you take those guys off of there. They wallowed in mediocrity on Sunday.
They should have been beaten soundly by a 1-15 team.
You simply can't grasp what everyone else knows.....when you change leadership and philosophy every 1.5 years little else matters.....you simply can't be competitive!
Of course I grasp that the changes of leadership etc. hurt the Browns.....did you not fucking read the original post. I said that the difference between the teams was those 3-4 players....and culture. Again, you pile your obtuseness on top of your stupidity to make a dumbass cake. Put those 3 guys on the Browns....and maybe that culture changes.
The Browns had no incentive to lose for many reasons:
1. They are all professionals who play to win.
Yet....you say that the Steelers did not play to win. So, I guess they are not professionals either?
2. There is no talent in the upcoming draft which sets a single player above the others so draft picks 1 thru 3 mean little more than the amount you pay for them.
We can start with one player. One player, one franchise QB can make all the difference. It apparently makes all the difference to the Steelers, Packers, Patriots etc. Or have you not been watching football at all these last two decades?
3. The Browns would give their left nut to beat the Steelers and you know it.
Apparently not. They had the beat every way to Sunday this past week. Yet the Browns continually gave the game away.
Fumbles, stupid play calls, fuckup after fuckup. They gave their left nut to lose.
All they had to do was like run the ball in from the two. They didn't even try to do that.
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has ever had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
And without those 3 players, the Steelers would be about on par with the Jags, Rams, Bears...and Browns.....proven on Sunday.
Browns had to give tthe game away badly to lose.
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What you casually term "culture" is 75% of the equation, the 3 or 4 players is 25%. The Browns are 3 or 4 players (and "culture" improvement) away from teams like the Jaguars, Bears, and Rams.
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has ever had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
Zombo said:
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has eve had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
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Zombo said:
What the fuck do you know? Every Steeler fan thinks he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night because his team's good. No matter how many games your team wins, you don't get any smarter, numbnuts.
The culture has already changed, no 1-15 team fights until the last snap of every game, this one did.
The talent is coming ... in droves. No team in NFL history has eve had this much draft cache combined with this much free agency wallet room. And we have a GM that trades the shit we were about to cut from that 1-15 team within the division for a 6th round pick
The Browns are on the Jimmy Johnson plan: 1-15, 7-9, Playoffs, Super Bowl. If we get to the playoffs next year with the right moves then, great, we are a year early and we are going to start pounding you pukes with your old QBs and fickle fan bases. Guess who has the oldest and most fickle?
Zombo
What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
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What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Zombo said:
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Personally I'd prefer the Steelers stay good and we rise to their level. Just makes "the rivalry" more real and a helluva a lot more mutual.
OK... their level plus a little...
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What do you think about my proposition that without BR/Brown/Bell/Pouncey that the Steelers are essentially equal to the Browns?
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Zombo said:
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
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Zombo said:
We sucked Dude, but that's about to change.
Pouncy isn't all that. Steelers are a 5-11 team without Ben, Bell and Brown.
But, they drafted them, we didn't.
Looking forward to the upcoming reversal of fortunes, I hope it's a lengthy one.
Z
Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been)
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
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Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
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Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
Disagree with the entire notion of this thread.. We need talent at nearly all positions. We need an overhaul of the defensive backfield.. I wouldn't be unhappy if we drafted 4. We need one more talented LB. We need 1-2 more DL. We need 1-2 more OL. We need a TE who's as good as average at blocking. And we need a QB.
Culture is simply the byproduct of winning- period. It's not ephemeral.
Winning is ephemeral for some. Take the Arizona Cardinals. One year up, several years down. Even winning in the short term has not really changed that team's culture.
And as we have seen, certainly for the Cleveland Browns, losing is NOT ephemeral. It may indeed be cultural.
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Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been)
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier. You're a gluehead!
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs. You're a gluehead!
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been) Put a fork in him!
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.....and anyone with a brain would know it.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.
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Talk about Dumb and Dumber! The two of you couldn't fill a thimble full of common sense if you were given a shovel! It's a waste of words on the two of you but what the hell, remove the B's and then compare position by position and the Steelers are still a quality team. There may not be a single position where the Browns would be better.....even without the three B's
But guess what you two geniuses.......The Steelers DO have the three B's
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been)
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Really? Joe Thomas is a no doubt HOFer. Bitonio is as good as any OL you have. He and DeCastro may be about on par.
The rest of the Browns OL...maybe not so much.
But your ignorance is palpable.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Your ignorance is palpable. On a better team, he would have even more impact. If he had BR instead of our numbnuts throwing to he would be much better.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier. You're a gluehead!
Per PFR here are the career productions of each player: Kirksey 174 tackles, 8.0 sacks. Shazier 137 tackles 7.0 sacks. Kirksey has been better so far.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Your ignorance is palpable. If he played on your team you would be clamoring to have him enshrined already.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs. You're a gluehead!
You would drool to have him. Your ignorance is palpable.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been) Put a fork in him!
Maybe the only thing close to accurate you have said....but even over the hill...he is still better than any DB on the Steelers.
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.....and anyone with a brain would know it.
Sure, go ahead. Without the 3 Bs, the Browns should have handed the Steelers their ass. Only their own massive fuckups prevented it.
Now go ahead and take what you saw there, but give the Browns those 3 guys.
Yea. You know what would happen.
If not, you are even more ignorant than a snail.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.
Your forest has 3 Big trees. Without them, you got tundra.
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And that's it.
Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio are both better than any linemen you have. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Really? Joe Thomas is a no doubt HOFer. Bitonio is as good as any OL you have. He and DeCastro may be about on par.
The rest of the Browns OL...maybe not so much.
But your ignorance is palpable.
Barnidge is as good or better than your TE. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Your ignorance is palpable. On a better team, he would have even more impact. If he had BR instead of our numbnuts throwing to he would be much better.
Kirksey has been every bit as productive in his career as Shazier. You're a gluehead!
Per PFR here are the career productions of each player: Kirksey 174 tackles, 8.0 sacks. Shazier 137 tackles 7.0 sacks. Kirksey has been better so far.
You WOULD start Shelton on your DL. Nice player but on a team with talent he becomes far less impactful. Foolish fan hyperbole!
Your ignorance is palpable. If he played on your team you would be clamoring to have him enshrined already.
Jamie Collins, if he decides to play is probably as good as any of your LBs. You're a gluehead!
You would drool to have him. Your ignorance is palpable.
You have no DB as good as Joe Haden (if he is healthy...which he has not been) Put a fork in him!
Maybe the only thing close to accurate you have said....but even over the hill...he is still better than any DB on the Steelers.
Overall, sure, the Steelers have more. But to say that the Steelers are better at every single position than the Browns is as ignorant as ignorant can be.
(and yes, if you take the 3 Bs off Pissburgh and put them on the Browns....the situations are reversed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.....and anyone with a brain would know it.
Sure, go ahead. Without the 3 Bs, the Browns should have handed the Steelers their ass. Only their own massive fuckups prevented it.
Now go ahead and take what you saw there, but give the Browns those 3 guys.
Yea. You know what would happen.
If not, you are even more ignorant than a snail.
Of course, as the old adage goes, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. for some reason the Browns are less than the sum of their parts.
The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.
Your forest has 3 Big trees. Without them, you got tundra.
The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.
Your forest has 3 Big trees. Without them, you got tundra.
I would defy you to float that stupid shit anywhere other than in Cleveland and see if you don't end up in a straight jacket.
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The thing your tiny little football mind prevents you from seeing is that on a barren desert plain, a five foot tall tree stands out, in a forest full of big trees, you won't see it.
Your forest has 3 Big trees. Without them, you got tundra.
I would defy you to float that stupid shit anywhere other than in Cleveland and see if you don't end up in a straight jacket.
I would defy you to float that stupid shit anywhere other than in Cleveland and see if you don't end up in a straight jacket.
Everybody knows it. Kansas City knows it. New England knows it. Baltimore knows it. Cincinnati knows it.
The ONLY place it wouldn't "float" is in myopic Pittsburgh.
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