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  • Erie Dawg Erie DawgE
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    Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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    Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

    It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

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      Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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      If Trump is who he is in real life, I'm sure getting rid of someone that isn't performing wouldn't bother him in the bit

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      • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

        Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

        It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

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        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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        @erie-dawg said:

        Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

        It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

        So... you're saying you have to go back almost 20 years then? That's quite a while.

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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          great. now we have liberals wanting age discrimination on the net. I'm retired, I have more time

          in the winter.

          Meanwhile, the liberal bitching about Devos -

          "True. DeVos does have a degree, just not in education; she graduated from Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan with a bachelor's degree in business administration and political science. She wouldn't be the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject, however. Margaret Spellings, George W. Bush's education secretary from 2005 to 2009, had a degree in political science. Bill Clinton's education secretary, Richard W. Riley, had a law degree."

          "According to a DeVos family spokesperson interviewed by The Detroit News, members of the family have "given millions of dollars" to the Grand Rapids Public Schools over the years."

          "Invested $200 million in Christian schools and organizations?

          Undetermined. Through their nonprofit organization, the Dick and Betsy DeVos Family Foundation, Betsy and her husband have given tens of millions of dollars to a great many schools and organizations, some of which are identified as "Christian." For 12 years running, for example, the foundation donated between $200,000 and $300,000 annually to Potter's House, a nonprofit "Christ-centered" elementary school serving underprivileged children in Grand Rapids, Michigan. But they have also contributed large amounts to the Van Andel Institute (VAI), scientific research and education facility, and the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, among many others."

          "She currently chairs the American Federation for Children, an organization that promotes "school choice" in the form of education vouchers, scholarship tax credits, and the like.

          “I am honored to accept this responsibility to work with the President-elect on his vision to make American education great again,” DeVos said:

          The status quo in education is not acceptable. Together, we can work to make transformational change that ensures every student in America has the opportunity to fulfill his or her highest potential."
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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            So liberals and the NEA...oops, same thing....

            want the new ed sec to be one of them.

            well, boo hoo, STFU. Being one of them is actually

            a disqualifier. Did anybody objecting read about her,

            in the link that Steve posted???

            To me, she is PERFECT for the position. Elections have

            conseqences, but the liberals loved it the last eight years,

            hate it now and want it to not be true.

            and no, you don't get a participation trophy for objecting to her with nonsense.

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              @erie-dawg said:

              Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

              It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

              So... you're saying you have to go back almost 20 years then? That's quite a while.

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              Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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              @tiamat63 said:

              So... you're saying you have to go back almost 20 years then? That's quite a while.

              No probably not, please research if you need. Don't just stop at the highest level. Go to the state level, then the local.
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              • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

                Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

                It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

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                OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
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                @erie-dawg said:

                Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

                It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

                @calfoxwc said:

                great. now we have liberals wanting age discrimination on the net. I'm retired, I have more time

                in the winter.

                Meanwhile, the liberal bitching about Devos -

                "True. DeVos does have a degree, just not in education; she graduated from Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan with a bachelor's degree in business administration and political science. She wouldn't be the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject, however. Margaret Spellings, George W. Bush's education secretary from 2005 to 2009, had a degree in political science. Bill Clinton's education secretary, Richard W. Riley, had a law degree."

                "According to a DeVos family spokesperson interviewed by The Detroit News, members of the family have "given millions of dollars" to the Grand Rapids Public Schools over the years."

                "Invested $200 million in Christian schools and organizations?

                Undetermined. Through their nonprofit organization, the Dick and Betsy DeVos Family Foundation, Betsy and her husband have given tens of millions of dollars to a great many schools and organizations, some of which are identified as "Christian." For 12 years running, for example, the foundation donated between $200,000 and $300,000 annually to Potter's House, a nonprofit "Christ-centered" elementary school serving underprivileged children in Grand Rapids, Michigan. But they have also contributed large amounts to the Van Andel Institute (VAI), scientific research and education facility, and the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, among many others."

                "She currently chairs the American Federation for Children, an organization that promotes "school choice" in the form of education vouchers, scholarship tax credits, and the like.

                “I am honored to accept this responsibility to work with the President-elect on his vision to make American education great again,” DeVos said:

                The status quo in education is not acceptable. Together, we can work to make transformational change that ensures every student in America has the opportunity to fulfill his or her highest potential."

                So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!

                "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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                  great. now we have liberals wanting age discrimination on the net. I'm retired, I have more time

                  in the winter.

                  Meanwhile, the liberal bitching about Devos -

                  "True. DeVos does have a degree, just not in education; she graduated from Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan with a bachelor's degree in business administration and political science. She wouldn't be the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject, however. Margaret Spellings, George W. Bush's education secretary from 2005 to 2009, had a degree in political science. Bill Clinton's education secretary, Richard W. Riley, had a law degree."

                  "According to a DeVos family spokesperson interviewed by The Detroit News, members of the family have "given millions of dollars" to the Grand Rapids Public Schools over the years."

                  "Invested $200 million in Christian schools and organizations?

                  Undetermined. Through their nonprofit organization, the Dick and Betsy DeVos Family Foundation, Betsy and her husband have given tens of millions of dollars to a great many schools and organizations, some of which are identified as "Christian." For 12 years running, for example, the foundation donated between $200,000 and $300,000 annually to Potter's House, a nonprofit "Christ-centered" elementary school serving underprivileged children in Grand Rapids, Michigan. But they have also contributed large amounts to the Van Andel Institute (VAI), scientific research and education facility, and the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, among many others."

                  "She currently chairs the American Federation for Children, an organization that promotes "school choice" in the form of education vouchers, scholarship tax credits, and the like.

                  “I am honored to accept this responsibility to work with the President-elect on his vision to make American education great again,” DeVos said:

                  The status quo in education is not acceptable. Together, we can work to make transformational change that ensures every student in America has the opportunity to fulfill his or her highest potential."
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                  tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  great. now we have liberals wanting age discrimination on the net. I'm retired, I have more time

                  in the winter.

                  The fuck are you blabbering about?

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                    @erie-dawg said:

                    Breaking news, Trump's cabinet pick for department of agriculture never worked on a farm. Booooooooooo, lets smash the windows out of this building and light something on fire.

                    It's not anything new. I would not have to go back far to find a cabinet pick with no experience other than being a career politician. How about Bills pick for Dept. Of agriculture? Law degree, career politician.

                    @calfoxwc said:

                    great. now we have liberals wanting age discrimination on the net. I'm retired, I have more time

                    in the winter.

                    Meanwhile, the liberal bitching about Devos -

                    "True. DeVos does have a degree, just not in education; she graduated from Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan with a bachelor's degree in business administration and political science. She wouldn't be the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject, however. Margaret Spellings, George W. Bush's education secretary from 2005 to 2009, had a degree in political science. Bill Clinton's education secretary, Richard W. Riley, had a law degree."

                    "According to a DeVos family spokesperson interviewed by The Detroit News, members of the family have "given millions of dollars" to the Grand Rapids Public Schools over the years."

                    "Invested $200 million in Christian schools and organizations?

                    Undetermined. Through their nonprofit organization, the Dick and Betsy DeVos Family Foundation, Betsy and her husband have given tens of millions of dollars to a great many schools and organizations, some of which are identified as "Christian." For 12 years running, for example, the foundation donated between $200,000 and $300,000 annually to Potter's House, a nonprofit "Christ-centered" elementary school serving underprivileged children in Grand Rapids, Michigan. But they have also contributed large amounts to the Van Andel Institute (VAI), scientific research and education facility, and the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, among many others."

                    "She currently chairs the American Federation for Children, an organization that promotes "school choice" in the form of education vouchers, scholarship tax credits, and the like.

                    “I am honored to accept this responsibility to work with the President-elect on his vision to make American education great again,” DeVos said:

                    The status quo in education is not acceptable. Together, we can work to make transformational change that ensures every student in America has the opportunity to fulfill his or her highest potential."

                    So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!

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                    Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                    @osiris said:

                    Who did I attack? Re read what I posted.

                    So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!

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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      great. now we have liberals wanting age discrimination on the net. I'm retired, I have more time

                      in the winter.

                      The fuck are you blabbering about?

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                      @tiamat63 said:

                      The fuck are you blabbering about?

                      "This mofo is a basement dwelling kid trolling the obscure parts of the Internet claiming to be an old man. You know any 60 year olds that troll the web? I sure as fuck don't" Tiamsies

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                      • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

                        @osiris said:

                        Who did I attack? Re read what I posted.

                        So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!

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                        OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
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                        @erie-dawg said:

                        @osiris said:

                        Who did I attack? Re read what I posted.

                        So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!

                        The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?

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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          The fuck are you blabbering about?

                          "This mofo is a basement dwelling kid trolling the obscure parts of the Internet claiming to be an old man. You know any 60 year olds that troll the web? I sure as fuck don't" Tiamsies

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                          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          "This mofo is a basement dwelling kid trolling the obscure parts of the Internet claiming to be an old man. You know any 60 year olds that troll the web? I sure as fuck don't" Tiamsies

                          And your point is....? First off, I"m neither liberal nor age discriminating. I'm calling out an obvious troll.

                          Calling me liberal is like saying I'm a Steelers fan because I agree that Ben is a HoF caliber QB. Your logic (not surprisingly) doesn't hold up. But please, carry on with another long winded post I'll be sure not to read.

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                            Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                            So he isn't allowed to do what past administration's have done because a new precedent is set?

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                              So he isn't allowed to do what past administration's have done because a new precedent is set?

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                              tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                              @erie-dawg said:

                              So he isn't allowed to do what past administration's have done because a new precedent is set?

                              Trump is free to do (almost) as he damn near pleases. Doesn't make him exempt from appropriate criticism.

                              However he and his ilk are the ones that ran on a platform of being the outsiders of Washington and would make sensible, everyman kind of decisions correcting the course of what HAS been the norm. This is not that.

                              No?

                              edit: Unless you would hire a plumber whose main background is IT work?

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                                @osiris said:

                                Excellent debating skills. Apparently you can't think of anything substantial to say about why Devos should be the Secretary of Education.

                                This mofo is a basement dwelling kid trolling the obscure parts of the Internet claiming to be an old man. You know any 60 year olds that troll the web? I sure as fuck don't. It's creepy as shit.

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                                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                @tiamat63 said:

                                This mofo is a basement dwelling kid trolling the obscure parts of the Internet claiming to be an old man. You know any 60 year olds that troll the web? I sure as fuck don't. It's creepy as shit.

                                You're creepy as shit. Some punk. I bet you shave your legs.

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  http://www.snopes.com/betsy-devos-education-secretary/

                                  Nice work. I see you are getting more information from internet memes these days .

                                  🙂

                                  Did you read that Snopes article? Or did you pull a Cal?

                                  What did I say that was wrong?

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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  Did you read that Snopes article? Or did you pull a Cal?

                                  What did I say that was wrong?

                                  Yes I read it that's why I posted it. Many of the pros and cons of her nomination are listed and excused or debunked.

                                  I'm not picking a fight with you here just wondering as I assume you are.

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                                    Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                                    How do you know that she can't do the job? Has she already made a tragic mistake? If she does I won't back her.

                                    How many here have ever interviewed someone for a job?

                                    I have found just as many if not more qualified people without degrees. Sometimes the ones with degrees almost feel entitled to the position.

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                                      yep. Because their pres - can have a communist as an advisor and they won't say a peep.

                                      if you aren't in lockstep with liberalism garbage.... you are nevert "qualified".

                                      "She currently chairs the American Federation for Children, an organization that promotes "school choice" in the form of education vouchers, scholarship tax credits, and the like. "

                                      She is invested in children, has children, she is very successful, and it takes someone

                                      who isn't career-wise "on the take" to see the problems objectively. Most of the time,

                                      you worked in the school system, you either had to fight indoctrination or you get indoctrinated.

                                      saying she isn't qualifed because she isn't on the NEA's side... is sad. Did you guys

                                      complain about Clinton's choice? A lawyer?

                                      I think not. You are just barking up the old "we change it because the president is a different party" nonsense.

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                                        @tiamat63 said:

                                        This mofo is a basement dwelling kid trolling the obscure parts of the Internet claiming to be an old man. You know any 60 year olds that troll the web? I sure as fuck don't. It's creepy as shit.

                                        You're creepy as shit. Some punk. I bet you shave your legs.

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                                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                        You're creepy as shit. Some punk. I bet you shave your legs.

                                        Oh, I think I hit a nerve.

                                        @erie-dawg said:

                                        How do you know that she can't do the job?

                                        That is just.... THE worst logic I've ever heard. Maybe we should hire neurosurgeons that previously worked at daycares because, hey, how in the fuck do you know they CAN'T do the job. AMIRITE?!?

                                        How many here have ever interviewed someone for a job?

                                        I have. More times than I care to count. What's your point to this?

                                        I have found just as many if not more qualified people without degrees. Sometimes the ones with degrees almost feel entitled to the position.

                                        Have you ever interviewed someone in a panel committee for an appointment to the leader of a federal department?

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                                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                          I think when you CHAIR the AMERICAN FEDERATION FOR CHILDREN,

                                          you understand a hell of a lot about public education issues.

                                          That's obviously why they didn't put their kids in public schools.

                                          Did obamao have his kids in public schools? So, he was unqualified to nominate anybody

                                          for Sec of Ed ?

                                          What school does Obama's daughters attend?
                                          Described as "the Harvard of Washington's private schools", the school has educated children of notable politicians, including those of several presidents. Both of United States President Barack Obama's daughters, Sasha and Malia, and Vice President Joe Biden's grandchildren attend the school.
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