Betsy DeVos
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Who did I attack? Re read what I posted.
So basically neither of you can defend the selection of DeVos with anything substantial, so you resort to attacking others. Giving money to causes makes her an expert now? Right, I've donated to cancer research, so that must make me an expert at cancer research!
The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?
The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?
You claim it hasn't been happening. Which is it? Apparently Obama's nominees were eminently qualified and yet what did we get? Common core and sliding American academic performance that should be a national shame.
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The 'attack' term was meant more for Cal, but you did criticize Clinton's pick from 20 years ago, which is fine, but irrelevant. It's basically arguing that the precedent makes it okay to appoint someone with no experience. I thought Trump was supposed to be the outsider who was going to do things differently in Washington? So how is appointing someone with zero qualifications different than doing something you claim has been happening in Washington for decades?
You claim it hasn't been happening. Which is it? Apparently Obama's nominees were eminently qualified and yet what did we get? Common core and sliding American academic performance that should be a national shame.
You claim it hasn't been happening. Which is it? Apparently Obama's nominees were eminently qualified and yet what did we get? Common core and sliding American academic performance that should be a national shame.
You're kind of jumping into a convo with Erie mid-stream. I didn't claim it wasn't happening. I am claiming that the fact that it happened in the past doesn't mean it is the right thing to continue doing.
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And Cal's wife is a lifelong school teacher I believe right? Steve
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Yes. She is retired, too, now. We are having a blast. She was always very
conservative, obviously kept her politics to herself. The one time the union
rep smarted off to her because she couldn't get her to commit to voting for
obamao.... all her friends teachers went to the union rep and told her to STFU,
and never pull that again. My Wife simply smiled and told her to mind her own business,
and walked away. Her fellow teachers got involved, and made sure I knew they did. lol
I would have made a visit to the school....
You know, a lawyer who goes to a friend's church, led the way to building a wheelchair ramp
for someone in their church who is now disabled. He didn't have to be a professional ramp builder.
My Wife and I built a ramp for a friend, we never did it before. But it turned out outstanding.
Of course, she's so brilliant she designed it in her head, and I cut up the cutouts, and she drilled the
holes... no blueprint. We built one before. It was excellent, per the friend's Mom and her brother,
who is disabled. Were we "qualified" ? sure. We could do it. Should a sunday school teacher not
be one because she never taught before? come on.
It's pretty apparent that one who is ingrained in the status quo, doesn't fix it. That is why previous politicians
didn't fix it. That is why it's outstanding that Trump worked in private sector - he won't be ingrained
in the status quo. That is how you get things looked at objectively, with no bias.
Obamao's two sec of ed nominees were very heavily ingrained in the public education status quo.
They went along for the ride, didn't fix diddley squat, and their bragging rights common core was
as much a political bragging/reality sucking bunch of crap as was obamaocare.
Made things worse, but it was part of their "legacy".
That's why they refused to allow reps to have any part in the solution.
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Yes I read it that's why I posted it. Many of the pros and cons of her nomination are listed and excused or debunked.Did you read that Snopes article? Or did you pull a Cal?
What did I say that was wrong?
I'm not picking a fight with you here just wondering as I assume you are.
WSS
Yes I read it that's why I posted it. Many of the pros and cons of her nomination are listed and excused or debunked.
I'm not picking a fight with you here just wondering as I assume you are.
WSS
You posted in a clearly condescending tone that I was getting my information from memes. You then provided a link to Snopes, as if to debunk something. You've yet to tell me what I've said that was incorrect
Are you gonna try to moonwalk all of the way out of this?
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So.... Has anyone actually said why she's a good pick yet?
I'm just reading a bunch of "Well Clinton picked unqualified people too!"
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Yes I read it that's why I posted it. Many of the pros and cons of her nomination are listed and excused or debunked.
I'm not picking a fight with you here just wondering as I assume you are.
WSS
You posted in a clearly condescending tone that I was getting my information from memes. You then provided a link to Snopes, as if to debunk something. You've yet to tell me what I've said that was incorrect
Are you gonna try to moonwalk all of the way out of this?
If you thought I posted that in any type of condescending intent you are mistaken, even though your post which was obviously an attack certainly deserves it.You posted in a clearly condescending tone that I was getting my information from memes. You then provided a link to Snopes, as if to debunk something. You've yet to tell me what I've said that was incorrect
Are you gonna try to moonwalk all of the way out of this?
I haven't said a harsh word to anyone on the subject.
WSS
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If you thought I posted that in any type of condescending intent you are mistaken, even though your post which was obviously an attack certainly deserves it.You posted in a clearly condescending tone that I was getting my information from memes. You then provided a link to Snopes, as if to debunk something. You've yet to tell me what I've said that was incorrect
Are you gonna try to moonwalk all of the way out of this?
I haven't said a harsh word to anyone on the subject.
WSS
If you thought I posted that in any type of condescending intent you are mistaken, even though your post which was obviously an attack certainly deserves it.
I haven't said a harsh word to anyone on the subject.
WSS
An attack? What? Tell me which of my first posts was an "attack".
You've officially gone from backtracking on your first post to turning the whole situation on me. Just face it, you tried to get on me for "getting my info from memes", and you posted a Snopes article insinuating what I said was false. Except nothing I said was false. And now you realize that, and you're trying to backtrack.
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If you thought I posted that in any type of condescending intent you are mistaken, even though your post which was obviously an attack certainly deserves it.
I haven't said a harsh word to anyone on the subject.
WSS
An attack? What? Tell me which of my first posts was an "attack".
You've officially gone from backtracking on your first post to turning the whole situation on me. Just face it, you tried to get on me for "getting my info from memes", and you posted a Snopes article insinuating what I said was false. Except nothing I said was false. And now you realize that, and you're trying to backtrack.
An attack? What? Tell me which of my first posts was an "attack".
You've officially gone from backtracking on your first post to turning the whole situation on me. Just face it, you tried to get on me for "getting my info from memes", and you posted a Snopes article insinuating what I said was false. Except nothing I said was false. And now you realize that, and you're trying to backtrack.
Posted the Snopes article, you miserable whining jackass, just because it laid out some of the complaints from the left and whether they believe that those were valid complaints or not. That was the sole basis for the Snopes article. Take it for what it's worth or sticking up your ass.
Your little post wondering why anyone would think she was qualifying citing no Public School experience no worrying about student loans and something something grizzly bears...
Not solD on her one way or the other but not being a teachers union hack is 1 plus in my opinion.
WSS
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You said I got my info from memes...
... And posted a Snopes article...
... Alright, fuck it Steve. You didn't do the thing you clearly did.
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The OUTRAGE of the snowflakes!
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So.... Has anyone actually said why she's a good pick yet?
I'm just reading a bunch of "Well Clinton picked unqualified people too!"
So.... Has anyone actually said why she's a good pick yet?
I'm just reading a bunch of "Well Clinton picked unqualified people too!"
There's not any reason why she's a good pick. People can be good at things they're not supposedly qualified for. Steve Jobs was not a tech guy. He was not an engineer and he was a douche yet he built the single most towering technology company in the country. That's not comparing Betsy DeVos to Steve Jobs, since you've shown the innate inability to not see the forest for the trees in the past, but only to point out that all the education and qualifications in the world can't make somebody good at a job. Only being good at the job can do that.
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So.... Has anyone actually said why she's a good pick yet?
I'm just reading a bunch of "Well Clinton picked unqualified people too!"
There's not any reason why she's a good pick. People can be good at things they're not supposedly qualified for. Steve Jobs was not a tech guy. He was not an engineer and he was a douche yet he built the single most towering technology company in the country. That's not comparing Betsy DeVos to Steve Jobs, since you've shown the innate inability to not see the forest for the trees in the past, but only to point out that all the education and qualifications in the world can't make somebody good at a job. Only being good at the job can do that.
since you've shown the innate inability to not see the forest for the trees in the past
when?
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It's really hard to choose, but Devos' combination of a lack of experience and purely ideological driven agenda puts her near the bottom of pile/ top of the list of objectionable cabinet nominees.
We do not have to judge her in a vacuum. She has a track record in Michigan.
Betsy DeVos and the twilight of public education
In Detroit, parents of school-age children have plenty of choices, thanks to the nation's largest urban network of charter schools.
What remains in short supply is quality.
In Brightmoor, the only high school left is Detroit Community Schools, a charter boasting more than a decade of abysmal test scores and, until recently, a superintendent who earned $130,000 a year despite a dearth of educational experience or credentials.
On the west side, another charter school, Hope Academy, has been serving the community around Grand River and Livernois for 20 years. Its test scores have been among the lowest in the state throughout those two decades; in 2013 the school ranked in the first percentile, the absolute bottom for academic performance. Two years later, its charter was renewed.
Or if you live downtown, you could try Woodward Academy, a charter that has limped along near the bottom of school achievement since 1998, while its operator has been allowed to expand into other communities.
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Of course it's only the angle of the ideology that bothers the Democrats. Not that she's an idealogue.
WSS
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Of course it's only the angle of the ideology that bothers the Democrats. Not that she's an idealogue.
WSS
Of course it's only the angle of the ideology that bothers the Democrats. Not that she's an idealogue.
WSS
Well no fucking shit, Charlene?
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Of course it's only the angle of the ideology that bothers the Democrats. Not that she's an idealogue.
WSS
Well no fucking shit, Charlene?
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So, why is she a good choice again? I've been through four pages and there's been a load of back and forth about "the left only hates her because..." "trump can do what he likes" etc
But nothing actually addressing the original question of her fitness for the role.
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Pretty much my thoughts. I support school choice and I realized that it's the boogeyman for the teachers union.
I don't think the teachers union has been particularly beneficial to what should be the end goal which is educating people.
WSS
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"Betsy DeVos Is Qualified Because She Is Not Part of the Education Establishment" - does that make you and me qualified also?
Also, school choice? Assuming you mean the following (from wikipedia):
School choice is a term for K–12 public education options in the United States, describing a wide array of programs offering students and their families alternatives to publicly provided schools, to which students are generally assigned by the location of their family residence.
I don't really have a problem with that in essence. I can see that it could lead to a gradation of quality of education, as some school gets ahead and then the better teachers want to go there, and so the parents want the kids to go there too etc but by and large it shouldn't be an issue. I lived in a village of not many people, maybe about a thousand high school kids total (age 13-18 because my county does three tier schooling unlike most of the country), and had a choice of three state schools (equivalent of public schools) and then of course any private/public school (private school = pay and qualify to get in; public school = future politician; yes, the naming conventions are weird).
So I'm not sure school choice is such a bad thing. But again, is supporting it in itself sufficient to qualify you to hold the post of education secretary? Because so far the two criteria you've mentioned would qualify both of us, and I dare say neither of us would be particularly good at that role.
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Being someone who the president of the United States has confidence in to help him formulate his position is what counts. I'm not stupid enough to think that school choice is going to make kids in the Innercity or the trailer park Rhodes Scholars. Or that the teachers union opposes school choice on the basis of what's best for the kids.
And I'd say, like has happened before, 90% of the opposition to any of the appointees is Trump derangement syndrome.
WSS
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