This is not the year for a #1 Qb pick
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Tom Pelissero | USA TODAY Sports
5:36 p.m. ET Jan. 26, 2017
MOBILE, Ala. Standing in the press box during practice this week at the Senior Bowl, Phil Savage echoed what a lot of NFL scouts are saying privately about the quarterbacks available in the 2017 draft.
It's probably not a good year to say, Weve got to have one,' " Savage, the Senior Bowl's executive director and former Cleveland Browns general manager, told USA TODAY Sports. You never know, but theres questions with more guys this year.
Others describe the group as somewhere between average and not very good nothing like the deep class of 2016, which saw 15 quarterbacks drafted, including Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, picked first and second overall, respectively, and instant star Dak Prescott in the fourth round.
Theres talent in every draft, and this is no exception. Its still early in the evaluation process, especially for underclassmen. Quarterbacks tend to get pushed up the board because the position is so important. But at a time when so many NFL teams are looking for a starter, theres a strong sense of trepidation about putting any of these guys on the field in the short term.
That none of the quarterbacks who come up as first-round possibilities North Carolinas Mitch Trubisky, Clemsons Deshaun Watson, Notre Dames DeShone Kizer and maybe Texas Techs Patrick Mahomes played in anything resembling a pro-style offense or operated much from under center is certainly a factor. (Thats one reason many teams preferred Wentz to Goff last year.)
It goes beyond that, though.
Conversations with scouts and personnel executives here pegged Trubisky as the top QB entering the draft process. Hes an accurate passer, has the physical tools and figures to put on a show at the scouting combine in March. But some scouts will be reluctant to put a really high grade on a guy who made just 13 college starts, sitting most of his first two years behind a non-prospect, Marquise Williams
Watson has the track record and the makeup. He recovered from a disappointing first half of his junior season in 2016, capping it by wrecking Alabama in the national championship game. His accuracy is a question, though, as is durability given his body type. His mechanics need to be cleaned up. Declining his invite to the Senior Bowl Watson graduated early, making him eligible he passed on a chance to show he can fit and function in a different scheme.
Some scouts draw the line there on first rounders, though Kizer certainly has the arm and athletic skills to join them. He looked like the No. 1 pick in the Irish's opener at Texas, only to end up getting benched along the way to a 4-8 finish. He will face questions about his intangibles, including how badly he wants to be a great player.
Of the next group, Mahomes jumps out because he has loads of talent and improvisational ability. He also played in a one-read-and-go offense, so everyones trying to figure out how it will translate.
None of the quarterbacks invited to the Senior Bowl the traditional six instead of the eight Savage invited last year because that was such a strong class is a lock to go in the first two rounds. Pittsburghs Nate Peterman, who has played in a pro-style offense, may be the best of the bunch.
The outlook on this class may boost the value of young passers who could become available in free agency or trades (Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tyrod Taylor, Mike Glennon). A short-term option (Jay Cutler, Tony Romo) also may appeal to a team already eyeing a 2018 draft class that could include the likes of USCs Sam Darnold and UCLAs Josh Rosen.
Bottom line for the 2017 group: If you draft one, you better be prepared to wait and work.
Of course, Prescott he performed well at last years Senior Bowl, as did Wentz is proof that development can accelerate quickly with the right coaches and pieces in place. Even the Dallas Cowboys didnt know what they had when they took Prescott after failed attempts to get into position to select Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook.
Its a work-in-progress quarterback class, Savage said. I think its probably just OK. That doesnt mean that you cant find one.
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Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
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Shocking revelation!
I hopped off the Kizer train last nite... even at #33. Dude winds up almost as bad as Wheezy did.
So I'm going to have to go deeper into the class.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'd give anything to know what our plan is right now. Like, what is Hue Jackson's "best case scenario"? My guess is Garoppolo.
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@boo-radley said:
Pats want a 1st and another relatively high pick.
For a second round pick who's played 3 games and has a year on his contract...ok then. I'll pass.
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@boo-radley said:
Pats want a 1st and another relatively high pick.
Asking ain't getting...
@boo-radley said:
There must be a franchise QB in this draft that people are over looking.
Russell Wilson was passed over.
More than likely there is. May well be Trubs... may be Kelly... may be Dobbs... or ???
Few drafts go by without at least one emerging.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Mahomes will be in the league a long time because of his ability to throw the ball deep and on the run. Look for the 49ers to take him at the top of the second round maybe, he could be great in Kyle Shanahan's bootleg/rollout heavy system. Carlos Hyde leading the running game isn't terrible. Maybe they look at trading down, picking up an OL in the 8-12 range - Cam Robinson? Ryan Ramczyzkzzyzyzk?
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Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
London, go look up Savage's draft record when he was GM of the Browns and you'll understand why Ghoolie calls him "Sewage". 2 decent picks, no brainier Joe Thomas, and Deqwell Jackson. Drafting Bums like Butterfingers Braylon, Quinn, trading with the Ravens taking Wimbley instead of Ngata- easy to understand why he's out of the NFL. His opinion don't mean crap.
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"Heresy---------All Heresy!!"-The Gipper
"Heresy---------All Heresy!!"-The Gipper
No, its just that the only negative they have to say about Trubisky is "he didn't have that many starts". And that's it.
And, for a guy like you that was not around for the Savage years, lets face it.....whatever he says....your best plan is to do the opposite.
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Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
London, go look up Savage's draft record when he was GM of the Browns and you'll understand why Ghoolie calls him "Sewage". 2 decent picks, no brainier Joe Thomas, and Deqwell Jackson. Drafting Bums like Butterfingers Braylon, Quinn, trading with the Ravens taking Wimbley instead of Ngata- easy to understand why he's out of the NFL. His opinion don't mean crap.
London, go look up Savage's draft record when he was GM of the Browns and you'll understand why Ghoolie calls him "Sewage". 2 decent picks, no brainier Joe Thomas, and Deqwell Jackson. Drafting Bums like Butterfingers Braylon, Quinn, trading with the Ravens taking Wimbley instead of Ngata- easy to understand why he's out of the NFL. His opinion don't mean crap.
Really, just JT. To quote Zombo D'Qwell was "soft", even though he had "production" i.e. made a lot of tackles simply by being a MLB , they were invariably 5 yards down the field. and he was constantly out of position.
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If theres a qb at 12 that hue likes, fine. But not the #1
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Shocking revelation!
I hopped off the Kizer train last nite... even at #33. Dude winds up almost as bad as Wheezy did.
So I'm going to have to go deeper into the class.
Shocking revelation!
I hopped off the Kizer train last nite... even at #33. Dude winds up almost as bad as Wheezy did.
So I'm going to have to go deeper into the class.
Never saw his windup being THAT bad. Something happen over the course of the season ?
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@boo-radley said:
Yup, and the so called experts will be oohing and aahing on draft day over QBs and every other position who will be busts.
Never fails.
Eric Fisher was a cant miss Left Tackle who has been a disappointment in KC.
Well, just go down the draft list of every first round in the last 15 years. You will likely see at least 1/3rd to 1/2 of them be considered busts. No matter what the position. Its just that with the Browns it has been more like 80%. We have had busted QBs, RBs, OCs, DBs, LBs, DTs, WRs
The ONLY guys the Browns have drafted that perhaps no one considers a bust since 1999 are Faine, Mack, Thomas, Haden, and likely Shelton.
That is 5 out of 21 1st round picks that were NOT busts.
Let me rephrase: 16 out of 21 first round picks by the Browns since 1999 can be considered Busts!!! Or over 76% of our picks
(well, Corey Coleman is included...to early on him)
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And check out this list, these players by some standard can be considered the biggest bust drafted in round 1 since 2007:
1. AJ Jenkins WR 49ers
2. Marcus Smith LB Eagles
3. Derrick Sherod OT Packers
4. Dion Jordan DE Miami
5. Jonathan Baldwin WR KC
6. Darqueze Denard DB Bengals
7. Justin Gilbert DB Browns
8. Aaron Maybin DE Bills
9. Dave Wilson RB NYG
10. John P. Manziel QB Browns
What does this tell us? First...that the Browns 2014 may go down as one of the epic bad drafts in history.
Also....that it isn't just QBs that bust. DEs and LBs are in here too.
Who are the 10 Best 1st round draft picks since 2007?:
1. Matt Ryan QB Falcons
2. Patrick Willis LB 49ers
3. Darrelle Revis DB Jets
4. Adrian Peterson RB Vikings
5. Cam Newton QB Panthers
6. JJ Watt DL Texans
7. Joe Thomas OT Browns
8. Joe Flacco QB Ravens
9. Calvin Johnson WR Lions
10. Matt Stafford QB Lions.
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Never saw his windup being THAT bad. Something happen over the course of the season ?
OK... I exagerated a lil' bit, but Kizer was routinely dropping the ball from mid-chest to belt level before coming back and up to throwing position. I do need to follow my own advice though and look at some 2015 tape to see if it was thee then as well.
That's one thing I will give the Trub-crowd... Mitchy has a very compact motion. From mid-chest straight up and back to slightly behind his right shoulder.
@boo-radley said:
Eric Fisher was a cant miss Left Tackle who has been a disappointment in KC.
... but has salvaged his career by attaining mediocrity...
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After the Browns passed on drafting ...Wentz last draft, it's tough to see them
drafting Trubisky that high, unless the needs are far fewer and they have
players throughout the rest of the draft that they have their eyes on, and can
take the chance this draft.
Anything can go on this draft - it's going to be amazing to watch it unfold.
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I just... I wonder if anyone actually looked at the Colts roster. He took them to the playoffs as a rookie with that. Actually he did it sans Hilton.
Re: Trub. a good portion of his perceived armed strength lies with his throwing motion which I remember being pretty compact.
I'll have to give Kizer a second look. At this point Mitch is becoming the only QB I want to see in the first 2 rounds. I can't get on board with Mahomes.
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Trent Richardson is another bust
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The more i think about it the more going with a mahomes/webb pick in round 2 and starting next year with kessler as the QB is the safest bet. I don't know if there is any really day 1 talent type players in this draft. If we don't sign a vet QB or Trade for one I could see Kessler starting the year as QB1.
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