This is not the year for a #1 Qb pick
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I'd give anything to know what our plan is right now. Like, what is Hue Jackson's "best case scenario"? My guess is Garoppolo.
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@boo-radley said:
Pats want a 1st and another relatively high pick.
For a second round pick who's played 3 games and has a year on his contract...ok then. I'll pass.
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@boo-radley said:
Pats want a 1st and another relatively high pick.
Asking ain't getting...
@boo-radley said:
There must be a franchise QB in this draft that people are over looking.
Russell Wilson was passed over.
More than likely there is. May well be Trubs... may be Kelly... may be Dobbs... or ???
Few drafts go by without at least one emerging.
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Mahomes will be in the league a long time because of his ability to throw the ball deep and on the run. Look for the 49ers to take him at the top of the second round maybe, he could be great in Kyle Shanahan's bootleg/rollout heavy system. Carlos Hyde leading the running game isn't terrible. Maybe they look at trading down, picking up an OL in the 8-12 range - Cam Robinson? Ryan Ramczyzkzzyzyzk?
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Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
London, go look up Savage's draft record when he was GM of the Browns and you'll understand why Ghoolie calls him "Sewage". 2 decent picks, no brainier Joe Thomas, and Deqwell Jackson. Drafting Bums like Butterfingers Braylon, Quinn, trading with the Ravens taking Wimbley instead of Ngata- easy to understand why he's out of the NFL. His opinion don't mean crap.
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"Heresy---------All Heresy!!"-The Gipper
"Heresy---------All Heresy!!"-The Gipper
No, its just that the only negative they have to say about Trubisky is "he didn't have that many starts". And that's it.
And, for a guy like you that was not around for the Savage years, lets face it.....whatever he says....your best plan is to do the opposite.
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Seems pretty much a common held belief now. And that's why we won't take a QB in the first round.
That and having Kessler.
London, go look up Savage's draft record when he was GM of the Browns and you'll understand why Ghoolie calls him "Sewage". 2 decent picks, no brainier Joe Thomas, and Deqwell Jackson. Drafting Bums like Butterfingers Braylon, Quinn, trading with the Ravens taking Wimbley instead of Ngata- easy to understand why he's out of the NFL. His opinion don't mean crap.
London, go look up Savage's draft record when he was GM of the Browns and you'll understand why Ghoolie calls him "Sewage". 2 decent picks, no brainier Joe Thomas, and Deqwell Jackson. Drafting Bums like Butterfingers Braylon, Quinn, trading with the Ravens taking Wimbley instead of Ngata- easy to understand why he's out of the NFL. His opinion don't mean crap.
Really, just JT. To quote Zombo D'Qwell was "soft", even though he had "production" i.e. made a lot of tackles simply by being a MLB , they were invariably 5 yards down the field. and he was constantly out of position.
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If theres a qb at 12 that hue likes, fine. But not the #1
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Shocking revelation!
I hopped off the Kizer train last nite... even at #33. Dude winds up almost as bad as Wheezy did.
So I'm going to have to go deeper into the class.
Shocking revelation!
I hopped off the Kizer train last nite... even at #33. Dude winds up almost as bad as Wheezy did.
So I'm going to have to go deeper into the class.
Never saw his windup being THAT bad. Something happen over the course of the season ?
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@boo-radley said:
Yup, and the so called experts will be oohing and aahing on draft day over QBs and every other position who will be busts.
Never fails.
Eric Fisher was a cant miss Left Tackle who has been a disappointment in KC.
Well, just go down the draft list of every first round in the last 15 years. You will likely see at least 1/3rd to 1/2 of them be considered busts. No matter what the position. Its just that with the Browns it has been more like 80%. We have had busted QBs, RBs, OCs, DBs, LBs, DTs, WRs
The ONLY guys the Browns have drafted that perhaps no one considers a bust since 1999 are Faine, Mack, Thomas, Haden, and likely Shelton.
That is 5 out of 21 1st round picks that were NOT busts.
Let me rephrase: 16 out of 21 first round picks by the Browns since 1999 can be considered Busts!!! Or over 76% of our picks
(well, Corey Coleman is included...to early on him)
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And check out this list, these players by some standard can be considered the biggest bust drafted in round 1 since 2007:
1. AJ Jenkins WR 49ers
2. Marcus Smith LB Eagles
3. Derrick Sherod OT Packers
4. Dion Jordan DE Miami
5. Jonathan Baldwin WR KC
6. Darqueze Denard DB Bengals
7. Justin Gilbert DB Browns
8. Aaron Maybin DE Bills
9. Dave Wilson RB NYG
10. John P. Manziel QB Browns
What does this tell us? First...that the Browns 2014 may go down as one of the epic bad drafts in history.
Also....that it isn't just QBs that bust. DEs and LBs are in here too.
Who are the 10 Best 1st round draft picks since 2007?:
1. Matt Ryan QB Falcons
2. Patrick Willis LB 49ers
3. Darrelle Revis DB Jets
4. Adrian Peterson RB Vikings
5. Cam Newton QB Panthers
6. JJ Watt DL Texans
7. Joe Thomas OT Browns
8. Joe Flacco QB Ravens
9. Calvin Johnson WR Lions
10. Matt Stafford QB Lions.
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Never saw his windup being THAT bad. Something happen over the course of the season ?
OK... I exagerated a lil' bit, but Kizer was routinely dropping the ball from mid-chest to belt level before coming back and up to throwing position. I do need to follow my own advice though and look at some 2015 tape to see if it was thee then as well.
That's one thing I will give the Trub-crowd... Mitchy has a very compact motion. From mid-chest straight up and back to slightly behind his right shoulder.
@boo-radley said:
Eric Fisher was a cant miss Left Tackle who has been a disappointment in KC.
... but has salvaged his career by attaining mediocrity...
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After the Browns passed on drafting ...Wentz last draft, it's tough to see them
drafting Trubisky that high, unless the needs are far fewer and they have
players throughout the rest of the draft that they have their eyes on, and can
take the chance this draft.
Anything can go on this draft - it's going to be amazing to watch it unfold.
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I just... I wonder if anyone actually looked at the Colts roster. He took them to the playoffs as a rookie with that. Actually he did it sans Hilton.
Re: Trub. a good portion of his perceived armed strength lies with his throwing motion which I remember being pretty compact.
I'll have to give Kizer a second look. At this point Mitch is becoming the only QB I want to see in the first 2 rounds. I can't get on board with Mahomes.
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Trent Richardson is another bust
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The more i think about it the more going with a mahomes/webb pick in round 2 and starting next year with kessler as the QB is the safest bet. I don't know if there is any really day 1 talent type players in this draft. If we don't sign a vet QB or Trade for one I could see Kessler starting the year as QB1.
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After the Browns passed on drafting ...Wentz last draft, it's tough to see them
drafting Trubisky that high, unless the needs are far fewer and they have
players throughout the rest of the draft that they have their eyes on, and can
take the chance this draft.
Anything can go on this draft - it's going to be amazing to watch it unfold.
After the Browns passed on drafting ...Wentz last draft, it's tough to see them
drafting Trubisky that high, unless the needs are far fewer and they have
players throughout the rest of the draft that they have their eyes on, and can
take the chance this draft.
Anything can go on this draft - it's going to be amazing to watch it unfold.
As Hue said at the Senior Bowl- everything is on the table.
The more i think about it the more going with a mahomes/webb pick in round 2 and starting next year with kessler as the QB is the safest bet. I don't know if there is any really day 1 talent type players in this draft. If we don't sign a vet QB or Trade for one I could see Kessler starting the year as QB1.
I assume you meant QB. Garrett is a lock day one starter wherever he goes. Right now, It's Mitch or pass on day one. Mahomes may not last till day 2, and he's not a top 10 pick. .
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i have a feeling mitch is going to come in undersized at the combine with an average athletic score. That being said he still is the most pro ready qb right now which is fine. i just think we need to focus on getting the D fixed up add a new solving the C situation an grabbing Webb/Mahomes in round 2-3. My preference is webb as his arm is the best in class and he has the prototypical size you want. I still attest that Kessler played very well for his rookie year and if he can improve his arm velocity and most importantly his throwing base in the offseason aswell as hitting the weightroom to add some strength/athleticism he can be the franchise guy. Guys like Webb have the physical advantage he wont have though.
Garrett at 1 and hope for foster or a top flight DB/S at 12 -
i have a feeling mitch is going to come in undersized at the combine with an average athletic score. That being said he still is the most pro ready qb right now which is fine. i just think we need to focus on getting the D fixed up add a new solving the C situation an grabbing Webb/Mahomes in round 2-3. My preference is webb as his arm is the best in class and he has the prototypical size you want. I still attest that Kessler played very well for his rookie year and if he can improve his arm velocity and most importantly his throwing base in the offseason aswell as hitting the weightroom to add some strength/athleticism he can be the franchise guy. Guys like Webb have the physical advantage he wont have though.
Garrett at 1 and hope for foster or a top flight DB/S at 12i have a feeling mitch is going to come in undersized at the combine with an average athletic score. That being said he still is the most pro ready qb right now which is fine. i just think we need to focus on getting the D fixed up add a new solving the C situation an grabbing Webb/Mahomes in round 2-3. My preference is webb as his arm is the best in class and he has the prototypical size you want. I still attest that Kessler played very well for his rookie year and if he can improve his arm velocity and most importantly his throwing base in the offseason aswell as hitting the weightroom to add some strength/athleticism he can be the franchise guy. Guys like Webb have the physical advantage he wont have though.
Garrett at 1 and hope for foster or a top flight DB/S at 12
I've said I'm not averse to Garret @ #1, though I won't love it. Regarding Mitch coming in "undersized" at the combine- where's that coming from? Reference please? All I've heard is vague reference to a Tweet, which is complete BS, unless he was in the NC locker room when he got measured. 6' 1" may be a tad undersized if it's true, but hardly a disqualifier.
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